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MJ4H 07-21-2023 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3407537)
So with a case number of this magnitude I wonder if the trial would even conclude with a verdict in time for the election? It seems like Trump will run anyways unless of course he gets a fed conviction which i thought I heard makes a person ineligible for POTUS.


The only conviction that would make him ineligible would be for insurrection.

Galaril 07-21-2023 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ4H (Post 3407539)
The only conviction that would make him ineligible would be for insurrection.


Holy shit what a fucked up country this is. Any felony should eliminate him.

GrantDawg 07-21-2023 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3407537)
So with a case number of this magnitude I wonder if the trial would even conclude with a verdict in time for the election? It seems like Trump will run anyways unless of course he gets a fed conviction which i thought I heard makes a person ineligible for POTUS.

"Candidates for president must: Be a natural-born citizen of the United States. Be at least 35 years old. Have been a resident of the United States for 14 years."
Those are the only rules of eligibility for President. You could be in federal prison for capital murder, and still be elected president.

GrantDawg 07-21-2023 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ4H (Post 3407539)
The only conviction that would make him ineligible would be for insurrection.

Only exception.

GrantDawg 07-21-2023 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3407556)
Holy shit what a fucked up country this is. Any felony should eliminate him.

It was never added to the Constitution. I don't think the framers or even those who wrote later amendments ever thought that there would ever be anyone that would garner enough votes to win with a felony conviction.

PilotMan 07-24-2023 01:34 PM

“Crooked Joe Biden and the Radical Left Democrats, Fascists, and Marxists.”

Is going to be the name of my new band.

Flasch186 07-24-2023 08:02 PM

Make sure you have insane swag ready to sell even before you know how to play instruments


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Thomkal 07-27-2023 10:21 AM

There has been reporting today that Trump's lawyers are meeting with the Special Counsel today to persuade him to not persecute.

albionmoonlight 07-27-2023 12:06 PM

Very unlikely to succeed. But you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

MJ4H 07-27-2023 12:34 PM

It's apparently just a normal thing that happens. He's getting indicted, no question.

Ksyrup 07-27-2023 12:56 PM

It's probably unlikely he'll ever agree to any kind of plea because the indictment and even a conviction ensures him of millions of more dollars in fundraising/grifting and martyr status amongst his followers, but at this point, I think I'd be willing to entertain an agreement where he's spared any kind of detention if he agrees to never run for any office again for the rest of his life.

GrantDawg 07-27-2023 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3407918)
It's probably unlikely he'll ever agree to any kind of plea because the indictment and even a conviction ensures him of millions of more dollars in fundraising/grifting and martyr status amongst his followers, but at this point, I think I'd be willing to entertain an agreement where he's spared any kind of detention if he agrees to never run for any office again for the rest of his life.

There have been some of his people that floated he would be willing to take that plea, but I don't buy it. I think they want the prosecutor to offer that so they can parade it around as proof the charges are politically motivated.

Ksyrup 07-27-2023 01:35 PM

That's certainly the spin. The other way to look at it is he's so dangerous when in a position of power that we'd rather forego putting him in jail than risk him being elected again.

Thomkal 07-27-2023 02:22 PM

heh its all fake news of course:


https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/s...13031320223766

GrantDawg 07-27-2023 03:03 PM

Loved this response:

Thomkal 07-27-2023 03:12 PM

Ha!

Brian Swartz 07-27-2023 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KSyrup
I think I'd be willing to entertain an agreement where he's spared any kind of detention if he agrees to never run for any office again for the rest of his life.


I wouldn't. I think that:

- It's more important, not less, to prosecute people who have power and abuse it.
- Trump himself is not the problem from an election standpoint. The problem is his supporters - or arguably, a system that gives them as much power as they have - and that problem doesn't go away if Trump doesn't run. There's nothing stopping another version of him from filling the void.

Ksyrup 07-27-2023 03:17 PM

I get what you're saying, but Trump is a unique personality and I don't think someone can be as effective simply filling that void by trying to be him. DeSantis can't do it. Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz certainly ain't gonna do it.

I don't disagree with your point - I certainly want him to pay for any crimes he is convicted of. But I'd also not like to see the snowball's chance in hell of him becoming president again. The McConnell thing just illustrates that we're one Biden medical episode in September of 2024 of the entire race suddenly being thrown into chaos.

GrantDawg 07-27-2023 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3407951)
The McConnell thing just illustrates that we're one Biden medical episode in September of 2024 of the entire race suddenly being thrown into chaos.

Which is why I was hoping Biden wouldn't run.

GrantDawg 07-27-2023 03:26 PM

Meanwhile:

molson 07-27-2023 03:56 PM

I wish I had the foresight to invest in barricade companies.

GrantDawg 07-27-2023 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3407959)
I wish I had the foresight to invest in barricade companies.

Trump finally built a wall!

GrantDawg 07-27-2023 05:16 PM

There is going to be another indictment announced today, but it is going to be another charge in the documents case. They are also adding another defendant.

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GrantDawg 07-27-2023 05:24 PM

Obstruction of justice. He ordered an employee to delete camera footage after it had been subpoenaed.

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flere-imsaho 07-27-2023 07:36 PM

Two for two this page with zingers, GrantDawg. Quality work!

GrantDawg 07-28-2023 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3407976)
Two for two this page with zingers, GrantDawg. Quality work!

I appreciate the compliment from a master.

SirFozzie 07-28-2023 01:51 PM

MEIN GOTT.

https://twitter.com/metroadlib/statu...93956414640129

Every bit of this is "Hey, we're doing crimes. you ok with doing crimes? Because Trump wants you to do crimes."

CrimsonFox 07-28-2023 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3407976)
Two for two this page with zingers, GrantDawg. Quality work!



GrantDawg 07-30-2023 10:06 AM


albionmoonlight 07-30-2023 10:19 AM

Also hilarious that Trump--one of the most famously tight-fisted people alive--is going out of his way to pay for lawyers for anyone and everyone in his orbit who might have an incentive to cooperate against him. This is apparently out of the goodness of his heart.

PilotMan 07-30-2023 10:23 AM

Haberman dropped a tidbit that he had to ask for something like a 40-60M refund from his PAC to pay for lawyers.

Thomkal 07-30-2023 02:24 PM

Grant, I know someone who has been in and around classified documents his whole adult life and worked in the White House when the Clintons were there and just can't stand her. Says she should be in jail for the rest of her life over what she did with the documents.



He was pretty gung-ho for Trump too, but when he was here over the holidays I almost couldn't believe my ears when he called Trump the worst President ever. So some Conservatives can change I guess

Atocep 07-30-2023 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3408103)
Haberman dropped a tidbit that he had to ask for something like a 40-60M refund from his PAC to pay for lawyers.


He's apparently spent roughly $40 million on attorneys this year alone.

MJ4H 07-30-2023 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3408110)
Grant, I know someone who has been in and around classified documents his whole adult life and worked in the White House when the Clintons were there and just can't stand her. Says she should be in jail for the rest of her life over what she did with the documents.



He was pretty gung-ho for Trump too, but when he was here over the holidays I almost couldn't believe my ears when he called Trump the worst President ever. So some Conservatives can change I guess


Some are changing and some are digging in their heels. Luckily, I firmly believe it's not a huge percentage that are digging in their heels. I guess we'll see soon, because only complete morons would vote for Trump at this point, and yes I mean that with my full chest.

Brian Swartz 07-30-2023 03:59 PM

I still say that's not meaningfully more true now than it was in 2016. The gap between 2016 Trump and a decent presidential candidate is far, far greater than the gap between 2016 Trump and 2023 Trump.

flere-imsaho 07-30-2023 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3408103)
Haberman dropped a tidbit that he had to ask for something like a 40-60M refund from his PAC to pay for lawyers.


Hold up, I thought he was a multi-billionaire?

:D

albionmoonlight 07-31-2023 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3408117)
Hold up, I thought he was a multi-billionaire?

:D


In fairness, you become a multi-billionaire by spending other people's money, not your own.

NobodyHere 07-31-2023 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3408137)
In fairness, you become a multi-billionaire by spending other people's money, not your own.


Yup

Trump team launching legal defense fund to help pay legal bills

GrantDawg 08-01-2023 04:00 PM

Sounds like the next indictments might be coming momentarily.

RainMaker 08-01-2023 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3408103)
Haberman dropped a tidbit that he had to ask for something like a 40-60M refund from his PAC to pay for lawyers.


This is a blatant violation of campaign finance laws.

Thomkal 08-01-2023 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3408247)
Sounds like the next indictments might be coming momentarily.



Yeah straight from Trump's mouth:


https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/stat...78126958997504

Ksyrup 08-01-2023 04:08 PM

It's such a small thing, but I love how Trump always adds "me" to his "your favorite President" line.

GrantDawg 08-01-2023 04:14 PM

Hmmmm....

GrantDawg 08-01-2023 04:32 PM


Qwikshot 08-01-2023 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3408260)


His death would make America better. Do It Trumpy.

molson 08-01-2023 05:04 PM

And then the Georgia indictment is still expected in the next few weeks. Is there anything else? It's hard to keep track.

GrantDawg 08-01-2023 05:16 PM

I think that is it directly on Trump. We'll, except there is still possible indictments in the documents case in other venues.

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molson 08-01-2023 05:30 PM

Who knows, he might strangle a hooker by then.

Edward64 08-01-2023 06:01 PM

A nice trifecta.

FYI 4 in a row is superfecta.

If he wins, the next constitutional crisis will be "can a President pardon himself".

Galaril 08-01-2023 06:03 PM

So what is the likelihood he stalks all these trials and /or gets convicted in a few then gets elected and pardons himself. I am starting to think he cosnsiders a way to get votes on the right. The first NY Times poll came out today and Biden Trump were each at 43 % with 14 % saying they will either vote 3rd party or still not decided. Geez our the Democrats going to screw this up ?


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