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Old 07-10-2022, 09:32 PM   #25
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Edward,

I am going to try to move this forward by getting rid of some chewed on bones and try to bring us back to the point of the thread.

1. Believe me, I promise you, I do not need you to explain or to present the possible reasons why DeSantis put this into law. He has made it perfectly clear why he did it. He presented evidence as to why he believes it was correct. His evidence does not stand up to the scrutiny in a similar manner as the information you provided here. I have presented what I believe to be solid evidence that showed the inaccuracies of most of that evidence and in some cases the evidence of what actually occurred. If you believe the law is required as written based on its substance, please present whatever you believe to be solid evidence and/or reasoning that it is needed.

2. Yes, there may or may not be court cases to define what classifies as instruction means in this law. If and when that happens we can have another discussion after that decision is made. In the mean time, can you please tell me what you consider to be instruction of sexual orientation and gender identities as of today? Please keep in mind that heterosexuality and male/female need to be included in your considerations because we are banning all of it. So whatever you attempt to allow for heterosexuality and male/female dynamics, you are also allowing for homosexual, pansexual, non binary, genderqueer etc. Note that the law as written does not make a distinction between a mention and an instruction. Obviously, the Governor did not want to allow a mention to be up for such a consideration. So please only discuss instruction.

3. The discussion is about third graders and younger. If you want to have a discussion about 4th graders and older, that is for when there is a bill for those age groups. The curriculum for those age groups are for those age groups only and should not be given consideration when discussing the younger age groups. It is disingenuous to suggest that because "they" are using a certain line of instruction for middle school students, there is a possibility that "they" may bring that exact line of instruction to the the 3rd graders. Because of the uproar on this issue, most states have placed at the very minimum their standards for these subjects online and many states have included the curriculum. I would much rather scrutinize and if need criticize what the authorities have actually put into place as opposed to speculation of what might be or worse.
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