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Old 11-23-2023, 05:34 PM   #374
MIJB#19
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Originally Posted by RainMaker View Post
I think there is some understandable backlash to NATO and the Ukraine War in some of these Western European countries. Italy, Finland, and Sweden already went to the right. German polls are looking like we'll see similar results.
Can you explain why you think the Russian invasion of Ukraine would in any way make people feel like siding with Russia or voting "right"? Or did you mean the opposite here?

For example, the general public here in the Netherlands sees the NATO as being overrun and dictated by the USA, with the perception of the USA being a country with only right wing politics (yes, even the Clintons, Obamas and Bidens). Voting anti-NATO would mean a shift to the left, no?



What I'm sensing is that people in the Netherlands (in particular, I just have no idea how it is in Finland or Sweden or Italy) are sick of hearing how we need to solve the climate change problems all by ourselves, the general public feels (spearheaded by Wilders) it is time that big countries like the USA and China stop sabotaging things and start being part of the solution. Which makes it kind of weird that the social media established in those 2 countries help(ed) popularity of the right wing politics with their own algorithms.

A large group of people have voted for anti-EU sentiments, sick of us being a EU sponsor, while extreme right wing lead countries like Poland and Hungary get that money. Which makes it super weird that the Hungarian president is happy about the right wing move here, he should count his money better and actually pray for the left wing in the Netherlands. Not to mention the migration problem (which has been cause to fall of the government and requiring new elections only 2 1/2 years after the previous elections), which is big issue in the entire EU.

And in particular in the Netherlands, there's some local stuff going on that helped shake things up. The traditional establishment in the Netherlands has been caught backstabbed a popular hard working politician (Omtzigt) shortly after the previous elections in 2021, trying to politically eliminate him, right after during the campaigns proclaiming to stop being backstabbing politicians. He's still standing strong now, having the 4th biggest party from out of nowhere, while those parties got the judgement from the electorate.
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