Big 10 Expansion Thread -Big Ten ready for a playoff .. finally?

[MJ4H]

So you would say it is 100% that Missouri is going to the SEC?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

So you would say it is 100% that Missouri is going to the SEC?

It's 100% if UT refuses to give in to Mizzou's demands. Thus far, they have shown no interest in doing so. UT now has to try to figure out if a MU exit means OU/OSU reconsider their commitment to the Big 12. If so, then they may consider backing off their hardball stance.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Missouri Fans Triumph In SEC Campaign : Outkick The Coverage

http://missouri.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1274457

[Matthean]

Just repeating what's being said.

Missouri Tigers curators vote to consider leaving Big 12 - ESPN

[sooner333]

I don't know what OU and OSU are going to go unless Boren was telling the truth about not being rejected or unless the PAC 10 reevaluates and thinks they have Texas where they want them to give in. Texas has no reason to give in to Mizzou though because the give in money is greater elsewhere.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It's 100% if UT refuses to give in to Mizzou's demands. Thus far, they have shown no interest in doing so. UT now has to try to figure out if a MU exit means OU/OSU reconsider their commitment to the Big 12. If so, then they may consider backing off their hardball stance.

Ok, but even if Oklahoma reconsiders their commitment to the Big 12, where are they going? The Pac-12 said no, and they can't bring their little brother (Ok. State) to the strip club (SEC)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by sooner333

I don't know what OU and OSU are going to go unless Boren was telling the truth about not being rejected or unless the PAC 10 reevaluates and thinks they have Texas where they want them to give in. Texas has no reason to give in to Mizzou though because the give in money is greater elsewhere.

Lots of factors still to play out. What happens in Big East, ACC, and Big 10? Do any of those conference make further moves? Does Pac-XX see other options or reconsider a previous stance? Does SEC reconsider opposition to OSU?

The problem for some of these conferences is that they face a watered down product if they don't get the prime candidates still available in the B12 and Big East. Texas is quickly reaching a point where even a renegotiated B12 1st tier contract may not increase the $$$ per team just because they'll be bringing in what amounts to mid-major schools as replacements to get the conference back up to 10-12 teams.

[timmynausea]

Here's a Greg Swaim tweet:

#Mizzou has #SEC offer, but do they have #B1G offer? A source in Chicago tells us yonight they do. More Wednesday at GregSwaim.com

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by timmynausea

Here's a Greg Swaim tweet:

Clearly they didn't ask Illinois to vote.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by timmynausea

Here's a Greg Swaim tweet:

FWIW.....Swaim is also saying that Rutgers would be the 14th if Mizzou was added.

[Passacaglia]

Seems like inviting Rutgers and Missouri at the same time could be a bad move, assuming the goal is ND and Texas. Isn't there the possibility then of both the Big East and Big 12 being destroyed at the same time and merging into one conference, potentially including ND? Neither the BE or B12 look so great now, but a conference of Texas, OU, ND, WVU and whoever else looks pretty good.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Seems like inviting Rutgers and Missouri at the same time could be a bad move, assuming the goal is ND and Texas. Isn't there the possibility then of both the Big East and Big 12 being destroyed at the same time and merging into one conference, potentially including ND? Neither the BE or B12 look so great now, but a conference of Texas, OU, ND, WVU and whoever else looks pretty good.

The problem with the B10 theory from Swaim (assuming it's correct) is that there were a lot of bridges burned last year with the snub after working together for several months on a move. Given the relatively short time frame on the move this year, I don't think there's enough time to mend that situation and put together a deal. I think Mizzou (assuming Texas doesn't change their stance) is going to go to the SEC.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Article on Mizzou's fit within the SEC.......

The SEC needs Missouri more for image than for football | Mark Bradley

[Matthean]

Missouri wanted to be the in the Big Ten and would still go there if they ever got the offer.

Source: Missouri wants Big Ten invite more than SEC - NCAA Football - SI.com

[Ksyrup]

Is that the kind of comment a pro-Big 12 Mizzou administrator leaks? "SEC is second banana to the B1G in our eyes." I guess this is something the SEC knows and presumably doesn't care about (since by all accounts it will never happen), but I've come to the point where I have to scrutinize every single reason for every single piece of info that comes out these days.

[Toddzilla]

When this all shakes out, you're gonna have Texas (overbearing power hungry assholes), Missouri (overplayed their hand, tried to play all sides and got left out), and West Virginia (less popular than cholera, academics in the toilet) all together collecting the scraps from other conferences to try and patch together some credibility.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Is that the kind of comment a pro-Big 12 Mizzou administrator leaks? "SEC is second banana to the B1G in our eyes." I guess this is something the SEC knows and presumably doesn't care about (since by all accounts it will never happen), but I've come to the point where I have to scrutinize every single reason for every single piece of info that comes out these days.

As well you should. Every story has an agenda. This obviously was someone from part of the small academic minority that thought the B10 was a better option.

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

When this all shakes out, you're gonna have Texas (overbearing power hungry assholes), Missouri (overplayed their hand, tried to play all sides and got left out), and West Virginia (less popular than cholera, academics in the toilet) all together collecting the scraps from other conferences to try and patch together some credibility.

Mizzou doesn't have any credibility issues. Mizzou reacted both last year and this year to other schools' decisions. There's nothing wrong with finishing something that was started by someone else. The nice thing about going somewhere else is that we won't have the issue of the blame game that Texas and the B12 office constantly play through the media. Hope they enjoy what's left.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Seems like inviting Rutgers and Missouri at the same time could be a bad move, assuming the goal is ND and Texas. Isn't there the possibility then of both the Big East and Big 12 being destroyed at the same time and merging into one conference, potentially including ND? Neither the BE or B12 look so great now, but a conference of Texas, OU, ND, WVU and whoever else looks pretty good.

ND won't join for football, and if they do decide that their hand has been forced they'll go ACC or Big Ten, at least that's what I believe.

[vex]

Texas to not air HS games on the their network.

Orangebloods.com - UT makes concessions on LHN as part of granting rights

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by vex

Texas to not air HS games on the their network.

Orangebloods.com - UT makes concessions on LHN as part of granting rights

I never understood how they were going to make that work.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Matthean

I never understood how they were going to make that work.

I'm still trying to figure out why they'd give up the option.

I assume the concerns from some of the other schools have something to do with a perceived recruiting advantage (or something of that nature). As far as I can figure, there'd be nothing stopping a school from doing the same sort of thing on their radio network or even online as part of the rights they haven't signed away.

The jealousy that other schools seem to have about Texas astonishes me. Hell, I'm sure that UGA folks (that are familiar with the details at least) are envious of the way Alabama & Auburn made both their radio networks more profitable by agreeing to share some workload at one point but I never heard anyone bitching about it/trying to block them. Instead they just went out & found a way to improve their own situation.

[Chubby]

Report: Missouri Tigers hope to join SEC, had wanted Big Ten invite most - ESPN


good thing MMBF has those inside sources that ESPN doesn't!

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Missouri wanted to be the in the Big Ten and would still go there if they ever got the offer.

Source: Missouri wants Big Ten invite more than SEC - NCAA Football - SI.com

Originally Posted by Chubby

Report: Missouri Tigers hope to join SEC, had wanted Big Ten invite most - ESPN


good thing MMBF has those inside sources that ESPN doesn't!

Or SI or the AP....

EDIT: I don't think he would disagree with the info. The Big Ten rumors were first and the The Big Ten is a better fit, but The Big Ten wanted Nebraska instead.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by vex

Texas to not air HS games on the their network.

Orangebloods.com - UT makes concessions on LHN as part of granting rights

The games thing wasn't a concession - the NCAA already ruled they couldn't do that. I think this involves highlights, which the NCAA approved in some form.

[Toddzilla]

I don't get it, he said Mizzou preferred the B1G back on page 4, 17, 34, 35, 57, 63, 89, and 102.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

I don't get it, he said Mizzou preferred the B1G back on page 4, 17, 34, 35, 57, 63, 89, and 102.

I don't think he ever used the stupid term B1G.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

FWIW.....Swaim is also saying that Rutgers would be the 14th if Mizzou was added.

He also said OU and OSU were going to the Pac-XX a month ago.

[MacroGuru]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The games thing wasn't a concession - the NCAA already ruled they couldn't do that. I think this involves highlights, which the NCAA approved in some form.

It does...MO originally wanted it for 13 years...Texas agreed to the 6 years to tie in with everything else....

[digamma]

TCU to the Big 12?

[Ksyrup]

That's been rumored for some time. Just as long as Gary Patterson doesn't have to help SMU join as well...

[Ksyrup]

This was my first question:

dennisdoddcbs Dennis Dodd
Is this expected to keep Missouri in or is it an admission that Missouri is out?

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

That's been rumored for some time. Just as long as Gary Patterson doesn't have to help SMU join as well...

Yeah, I should have made a longer post. There are several reports (mostly in the twitterverse that the Big 12 has reached some sort of "agreement" with regard to TCU.

[timmynausea]

Majority of SEC presidents favor Missouri, but not yet enough | al.com

[Ksyrup]

TheFakeESPN The Fake ESPN
A&M gets an invite to the SEC, TCU gets an invite to the Big 12, Texas Tech gets an invite to Google+

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by timmynausea

Majority of SEC presidents favor Missouri, but not yet enough | al.com

Confused by this:

According to both sources, Alabama wants to look East and not risk losing its annual game against Tennessee, while Auburn favors adding Missouri and moving to the Eastern Division.

If you add 2 western schools (Mizzou and aTm), then 2 schools have to move east. I just assumed Alabama and Auburn would both move to the east, and that would solve the issue, right? Alabama would play UT every year as a division game, and Auburn gets what they want. So if Alabama is concerned they would lose the UT game, and you need 2 teams to move east, who would move with Auburn?

I guess I'm confused on the Alabama thing. How does adding an east coast team save their UT game, and why wouldn't them moving to the east division save it?

[timmynausea]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Confused by this:



If you add 2 western schools (Mizzou and aTm), then 2 schools have to move east. I just assumed Alabama and Auburn would both move to the east, and that would solve the issue, right? Alabama would play UT every year as a division game, and Auburn gets what they want. So if Alabama is concerned they would lose the UT game, and you need 2 teams to move east, who would move with Auburn?

I guess I'm confused on the Alabama thing. How does adding an east coast team save their UT game, and why wouldn't them moving save it?

That is confusing wording. Supposedly Alabama wants to stay in the West without losing their yearly Tennessee game. Auburn wants to move East.

Here's some further analysis of that article:

Alabama | MrSEC.com

Edit to say: What you're saying actually makes more sense to me, although it would make the East pretty ridiculous with UF, UGA, Alabama, Auburn and Tennessee.

[Ksyrup]

BryanDFischer Bryan Fischer
#CraigJamesSadFace RT @kbohls: Big 12 is not considering any other Texas schools.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by timmynausea

That is confusing wording. Supposedly Alabama wants to stay in the West without losing their yearly Tennessee game. Auburn wants to move East.

Here's some further analysis of that article:

Alabama | MrSEC.com

Edit to say: What you're saying actually makes more sense to me, although it would make the East pretty ridiculous with UF, UGA, Alabama, Auburn and Tennessee.

And South Carolina. Vandy and UK might petition the league to allow them to play a home-and-home against each other each season!

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Confused by this:



If you add 2 western schools (Mizzou and aTm), then 2 schools have to move east. I just assumed Alabama and Auburn would both move to the east, and that would solve the issue, right? Alabama would play UT every year as a division game, and Auburn gets what they want. So if Alabama is concerned they would lose the UT game, and you need 2 teams to move east, who would move with Auburn?

I guess I'm confused on the Alabama thing. How does adding an east coast team save their UT game, and why wouldn't them moving to the east division save it?

Under your plan the East would have 8 teams and the West would have 6.

Obviously if Auburn moved to the East, they would be Bama's permanent cross division rival. The plan that I saw yesterday would actually have Missouri in the East and then they could be cross divisional rivals with aTm.

[timmynausea]

Actually now that I think about it, that wouldn't be balanced:

East (8):
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
South Carolina

West (6):
Texas A&M
Missouri
LSU
Arkansas
Mississippi State
Ole Miss

Edit: And digamma beat me to it.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by digamma

Under your plan the East would have 8 teams and the West would have 6.

Obviously if Auburn moved to the East, they would be Bama's permanent cross division rival. The plan that I saw yesterday would actually have Missouri in the East and then they could be cross divisional rivals with aTm.

I think I was thinking of a 16-team league, where 2 would need to move.

So the issue here for Alabama is that they could only have 1 cross-division rival, which would obviously have to be Auburn, but doing that would cause the UT game to go away on a yearly basis, right? I think I got it now.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I think I was thinking of a 16-team league, where 2 would need to move.

So the issue here for Alabama is that they could only have 1 cross-division rival, which would obviously have to be Auburn, but doing that would cause the UT game to go away on a yearly basis, right? I think I got it now.

Yes, that's the basic issue.

[bronconick]

According to this, TCU's been invited to the Big 12/10/9/8? conference.

TCU to join Big 12 in 2012-13 - CBSSports.com

[MacroGuru]

Originally Posted by bronconick

According to this, TCU's been invited to the Big 12/10/9/8? conference.

TCU to join Big 12 in 2012-13 - CBSSports.com

If true, I do not want to see what the blood bath and gnashing and wailing will be like on the BYU boards......

[DeToxRox]

Please god let the Big 12 invite SMU.

[DeToxRox]

A Michigan insider is saying ND to the ACC is quickly on the way to becoming a reality. No idea how much he actually knows about this but I find it interesting. My guess is if they do go to the ACC then Michigan and Michigan State will stop scheduling them.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

A Michigan insider is saying ND to the ACC is quickly on the way to becoming a reality. No idea how much he actually knows about this but I find it interesting. My guess is if they do go to the ACC then Michigan and Michigan State will stop scheduling them.

I figured Michigan was going to stop when they got to a 9 game BT schedule anyway. They've have to have 7 home games every year instead of 8.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by bronconick

I figured Michigan was going to stop when they got to a 9 game BT schedule anyway. They've have to have 7 home games every year instead of 8.

It wouldn't shock me. I know Brandon wants to schedule more marquee teams to get buzz. ND is clearly a marquee team but he wants diversity on the schedule. We'll see how that goes.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

It wouldn't shock me. I know Brandon wants to schedule more marquee teams to get buzz. ND is clearly a marquee team but he wants diversity on the schedule. We'll see how that goes.

I think he'll look for more games like Alabama in Dallas, but not so much home and homes with major teams.

[panerd]

I guess somebody needs to bring this up every 10 pages or so. The only moves so far have been A&M (which a lot people saw) and Syracuse/Pitt (which some people said but no major news reported on). And the other 2000 posts (1500 without MBBF ) have been pure garbage. Just thought it might be important to remember with ND headed to the ACC and about 40 teams joining the Big 12 today.