Werewolf XLIII - The Big City (Game over)

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by path12

Whatever. I'm done with the topic. I don't need the stress.

Don't stress it. I'm not voting for you, and I do see your side a little bit.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I honestly have no idea. My best guess is "no ring at all." But maybe my character is married? I don't even know how to think about this question.

My character is not a hobbit, that's for sure.

Damn, the hobbit role was the glue to my whole argument!

Its tricky asking you questions without forcing you to reveal your role, whatever it is. But the no ring at all thing was a bit of a joke, after you saw me looking at your ring, which implies one was there.

Cronin, have you been spending money?

[Tyrith]

Yeah, path, I have no intention of voting for you. It was just that I didn't understand your insistence on the fact that it was a reveal and demonstrated how it is potentially flawed.

That said, I wish someone would give me someone to vote for today...I want to see how blade/cronin turns out here.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Damn, the hobbit role was the glue to my whole argument!

Its tricky asking you questions without forcing you to reveal your role, whatever it is. But the no ring at all thing was a bit of a joke, after you saw me looking at your ring, which implies one was there.

Cronin, have you been spending money?

My money is none of your business.

By the way, looking at my pm again, I STILL don't know what kind of ring I have. What kind of ring do I have? Is it nice?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

That said, I wish someone would give me someone to vote for today...I want to see how blade/cronin turns out here.

Apart from Swaggs, I think both JE and ITC are decent candidates.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My money is none of your business.

By the way, looking at my pm again, I STILL don't know what kind of ring I have. What kind of ring do I have? Is it nice?

Ya, its pretty nice...it was considered pretty costly from my expert survey of it. Now, looking over the roles i saw very few that would have a very nice ring. I could, due to my profession....the banker might...and the mafia boss. Thats about all the ones i saw that i would slot into the have an expensive ring category.

So the way i see it, not knowing if you have some other role not listed that would explain this, you have 50/50 odds of being the mafia boss.

This could be jumping to conclusions, but ive tried to beat around the bush as if your good i just told everyone your also prob. rich. You asked, and i told you...DT rings did not meet the same standard of excellence yours did, to put it plainly

[Tyrith]

Interesting. This certainly calls for some kind of an explanation from cronin.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Ya, its pretty nice...it was considered pretty costly from my expert survey of it. Now, looking over the roles i saw very few that would have a very nice ring. I could, due to my profession....the banker might...and the mafia boss. Thats about all the ones i saw that i would slot into the have an expensive ring category.

So the way i see it, not knowing if you have some other role not listed that would explain this, you have 50/50 odds of being the mafia boss.

This could be jumping to conclusions, but ive tried to beat around the bush as if your good i just told everyone your also prob. rich. You asked, and i told you...DT rings did not meet the same standard of excellence yours did, to put it plainly

Jump to whatever conclusion you like. I do have some money - I'm not sure how much in relation to everyone else. But I also have significant expenses. My role is not listed.

That should help you figure out my "role" although not necessarily what I can do to help the village.

[LoneStarGirl]

What is going to happen to king for not voting yesterday?

[LoneStarGirl]

I have one hour till i have to vote and after spending my day activity I now trust Blade. If Blade thinks we should go after cronin, I will oblige.

vote st cronin

[LoneStarGirl]

Oh, and I will not be voting for hoops, i will be voting for blade for judge

[DaddyTorgo]

hmm. interesting.

[Barkeep49]

Well I remember the priest game from Tombstone. And in that game Lathum was viewed and gave a different response than all the other people. This ended up quasi-clearing him as Anxiety misread the PM. Anyhow the fact that cronin gave a different response to our quasi-seer is quite worry some for me in this game. So I'm going to go:
Vote st.cronin

It could be that cronin has the normal response and DT the odd response, but since Blade feels it's cronin who is suspicious I will follow his lead.

[Barkeep49]

Please note I hadn't seen LSG's vote when I cast mine (they're a minute apart) though it wouldn't have changed my vote.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

It could be that cronin has the normal response and DT the odd response, but since Blade feels it's cronin who is suspicious I will follow his lead.

DTs ring was an ordinary gold band, nothing spectacular. It was not worth my effort to try and purchase(neither was cronins, as im looking for a rare gem...but cronins not described as ordinary, as was considered costly).

So DTs ring being called ordinary to me meant that he was the norm

[Blade6119]

And i cant type today, so excuse spelling and grammatical errors that litter my posts

[Tyrith]

I would be very careful even calling blade a quasi-seer. All he does is gauge wealth, and I would suspect the percentage of wealthy bad guys to wealthy good guys is about the same as general bad guys to good guys (although probably there are only a couple of rich good guys, so maybe it's a little less). I am highly suspicious of cronin at this point because I believe blade, and I suspect he's on our side for numbers and isn't going to start killing good guys, even if he causes trouble.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

DTs ring was an ordinary gold band, nothing spectacular. It was not worth my effort to try and purchase(neither was cronins, as im looking for a rare gem...but cronins not described as ordinary, as was considered costly).

So DTs ring being called ordinary to me meant that he was the norm

Yeah, that just sounds like a typical wedding ring, any old average joe could have something like that, especially if it was considered ordinary in the PM. Sounds like you hit a blank and then something more special.

[LoneStarGirl]

I dont think a character in this game just 'gauges wealth'

[st.cronin]

One more clue for those who haven't figured it out: My win conditions are fulfilled if the mafia boss is killed.

That's all I'll say, even if I'm to be lynched.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm. That does give me pause and make me consider cronin a lil more closely I must say. However I think it puts him about even with ITC and Swaggs, not amazingly far ahead of them. It only means he's 50/50 bad at the best-case scenario.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I dont think a character in this game just 'gauges wealth'

No, i search for rare gems...and supposedly if i come in possesion of them i get unknown benefits. I get to inspect one persons ring a day to see if they have a rare gem...

But, in looking at rings Alan has made clear differentiations in quality which implies wealth.

[Barkeep49]

There is the stereotype that mobsters wear fancy jewelry.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

What is going to happen to king for not voting yesterday?

Secret! But you wouldn't want it to happen to you in the wrong scenerio perhaps.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I dont think a character in this game just 'gauges wealth'

Why would you be skeptical about this? It fits in the style of character Alan had in his last game.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

hmmm. That does give me pause and make me consider cronin a lil more closely I must say. However I think it puts him about even with ITC and Swaggs, not amazingly far ahead of them. It only means he's 50/50 bad at the best-case scenario.

Does my description of you ring fit into the idea of what you believe your character would have? If not, say so and lynch me now

[Blade6119]

The fact cronin and i argued when i went to inspect him, while DT just let me look, also worries me.

Thats all the evidence i have

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE SWAGGS

subject to change of course, but I don't want to be accused of bandwagoning, and Swaggs' play last night with the ntn vote was questionable also.

i'm not ready to condemn cronin just for having a nice ring. He could be the poker player, the doctor, the banker, or the mafia boss. or like he said, something not listed.

[kingfc22]

Okay finally caught up. My lunch is over, but I did vote hoops for judge. I'm kinda suspicious of why tyrith was going so hard after path but that is just my opinion.I still do not know what wil happen to me for missing the vote yesterday. I can't use bold on my phone's browser, but I want to vote for JE.

[Blade6119]

Hoops, you have been here this whole time...thoughts?

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Why would you be skeptical about this? It fits in the style of character Alan had in his last game.

I dont remember much game to game honestly

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I dont remember much game to game honestly

Fair enough.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Okay finally caught up. My lunch is over, but I did vote hoops for judge. I'm kinda suspicious of why tyrith was going so hard after path but that is just my opinion.I still do not know what wil happen to me for missing the vote yesterday. I can't use bold on my phone's browser, but I want to vote for JE.

I'll accept this vote for J.E due to the situation. Main reason for the bolding is so I don't miss it. I'm not responsible for votes I miss due to not being bolded normally.

[LoneStarGirl]

you are such a good host Alant

[Tyrith]

Gah, I have to cast a vote in the next half hour. Anyone have an updated count?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

One more clue for those who haven't figured it out: My win conditions are fulfilled if the mafia boss is killed.

That's all I'll say, even if I'm to be lynched.

My win conditions for the village are only met if and when we kill the mafia boss and the entire mafia family. Just having to kill the mafia boss implies to me your not good, as i felt that victory condition was pretty universal.

If you are good though, not telling us info does nothing but hurt us.If you are going to go out silently, then i have to believe you are not on the side of good

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

My win conditions for the village are only met if and when we kill the mafia boss and the entire mafia family. Just having to kill the mafia boss implies to me your not good, as i felt that victory condition was pretty universal.

If you are good though, not telling us info does nothing but hurt us.If you are going to go out silently, then i have to believe you are not on the side of good

There are definitely some good players who have their own win condition.

[Dr. Sak]

Well I havent read anything since about 330pm est but when I got back I found out that my computer was hacked. I am now contacting the police to find this hacker.

[hoopsguy]

Here is what I show for updated vote counts, as of Post #987:

Swaggs - Cronin (785), path12 (921)
Barkeep49 - Marathoner (832), Chief Rum (845)
Jonathan Ezarik - Lathum (873), ImTheCrew (920), Kingfc (979)
st. cronin - Blade6119 (887), LoneStarGirl (960), Barkeep49 (963)
ImTheCrew - Narcizo (906)
path12 - Anxiety (929)

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

There are definitely some good players who have their own win condition.

Looking at the rules, the bolded part seems to imply we all have a victory condition based on being good(if you are), and our personal goal on the side(me and my rare gems). I could see you having some personal goal, but if you are good i would think you would also have the same objective we all have. Maybe im mistaken, and im sure the other voters will decide on that matter

Originally Posted by Alan T

The Objectives:

Each player in the game will be either assigned a particular role, job or occupation or have the opportunity during the game to find one of their choosing. Each player will have both an objective based on if they are a "good guy" or a "bad guy" as well as some individual objective based upon their role, job or occupation. The only exception to this will be those of no affiliation to one side or the other. Neutral players will only have their role,job or occupation objective to meet. A Neutral player's sole objective might be quite difficult to achieve however they might be given other options during the course of the game to join one side or the other.

Every good player

[Blade6119]

I have to go, ill be back in about 2 hours. If you all want to go a different route, fine...im just trying to present to you all the evidence i have before i get killed because i look like a seer(barkeep called me one basically, so i know wolves think it too)

[hoopsguy]

Blade6119, my thoughts on st. cronin are that it would make sense to review his statements over the last few days to see what he has said about wealth in the game. At the very least, it seems clear that he is wealthy. He has also been pretty reluctant to talk about his role, which isn't a hanging offense but makes it a little tougher on us when determining guilt/innocence.

st. cronin, can you think of any reason why you would have been argumentative towards Blade6119 when DaddyTorgo was more accomodating that relates to your role?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade6119, my thoughts on st. cronin are that it would make sense to review his statements over the last few days to see what he has said about wealth in the game. At the very least, it seems clear that he is wealthy. He has also been pretty reluctant to talk about his role, which isn't a hanging offense but makes it a little tougher on us when determining guilt/innocence.

st. cronin, can you think of any reason why you would have been argumentative towards Blade6119 when DaddyTorgo was more accomodating that relates to your role?

Well, there was a discrepancy in the reports. Blade says his pm claims that *I* started the argument. Mine clearly said that I was minding my own business when Blade started shouting at me.

My interpretation is that this is nothing more than Alan spicing up the pm based on in-thread conversations.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 10

The Inmates running the Asylum?

Don't look now, but our sources tell us that it might finally have happened.. The crazies that call this town home may finally have decided on a judge. We won't know for sure until the final ballots are counted, but from what our exit polls show us, the large majority of people chose one person today to be their judge.

www help . com

For the second straight day, reports have been filed with the police of a new crime involving computer theft.

Crime Report #4
2/28 6:04pm EST
Computer Hacked

Forbes lists the richest and poorest of the Big City

In the latest edition of Forbes, they once again cover who the wealthy and the impoverished of our great city are. A few new suprises head the list this year. Among the wealthiest in our town are a Pawnshop owner, the heir to the mafia family, the Banker, one of our very own police detectives and a doctor. Forbes does admit that a few individuals may have asked to not be included in the survey however for whatever personal reasons.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Among the wealthiest in our town are a Pawnshop owner, the heir to the mafia family, the Banker, one of our very own police detectives and a doctor. Forbes does admit that a few individuals may have asked to not be included in the survey however for whatever personal reasons.

Hmmmmm.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Here is what I show for updated vote counts, as of Post #987:

Swaggs - Cronin (785), path12 (921)
Barkeep49 - Marathoner (832), Chief Rum (845)
Jonathan Ezarik - Lathum (873), ImTheCrew (920), Kingfc (979)
st. cronin - Blade6119 (887), LoneStarGirl (960), Barkeep49 (963)
ImTheCrew - Narcizo (906)
path12 - Anxiety (929)

thanks this is what I have now too and wanted confirmed from my list asking for confirmation

[st.cronin]

heh

[st.cronin]

unvote Swaggs
vote Jonathan Ezarik

self-preservation, nothing more

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Special Edition!

Breaking news from down in the government sector. It appears at some point during the early evening Tyrith has failed to show up where he was expected. His family and one friend is fearing the worse currently. "He should have been here hours ago, it is not like him to be late to anything", said a neighbor that currently owed TYrith $5.34.

The Big City Police department had very little to say other than the Chief of Police's statement,"We are very conserned with this event and our forces are putting every last able body into investigating this." Most hate to admit the worst might have happened, but whether he is dead or still alive somewhere it clearly is an escalation in the level of crime that Big City has seen.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am out until 9 central