Werewolf XXXI: House of Frankenstein (Game Over) - Page 39

DaddyTorgo · 08-21-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

That seems awfully rigid doesn't it? You only need one of them to be human and you lose game. And the masons done't have insight on who the wolves are besides who is not a mason.

QUIET EVIL!!! I WILL HEAR NO MORE FROM YOUR FILTHY LIPS!

molson · 08-21-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Doesn't matter, I laid the whole thing out hours ago. Go back and read the posts.

Definitly check in tomorrow if/when I'm lynched, so you'll know that you have no clue either.

Lorena · 08-21-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Just a reminder, all night actions are PM'd to St.cronin.

Yeah tanglewood, did you read that?

DaddyTorgo · 08-21-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Just wanted to post this because his dying words have great importance to us. From this list, he has given us the list of masons.

or you could just...advertise that to the wolves

Barkeep49 · 08-21-2006, 08:01 PM

So Tangle: did you get a particular glee out of accusing people of not using logic?

Lorena · 08-21-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

That seems awfully rigid doesn't it? You only need one of them to be human and you lose game. And the masons done't have insight on who the wolves are besides who is not a mason.

Yeah, you would know wouldn't you?

Lorena · 08-21-2006, 08:05 PM

I should have bolded the

Quote:

You only need one of them to be human and you lose game

part.

Swaggs · 08-21-2006, 08:06 PM

Gramm said this was important, so here is the final day 2 vote:

Quote:

Final vote:

4 - Chubby - Blade, bulletsponge, dodgerchick,
Grammaticus
4 - Grammaticus - GoldenEagle, Fouts, Swaggs,
AlanT
3 - SnDvls - tanglewood, Daddytorgo, molson
1 - Swaggs - Chief Rum
1 - Blade - Lathum
1 - farrah - Chubby
1 - Dodgerchick - SnDvls
1 - Schmidty - farrah
1 - Fouts - path12

not voted

Anxiety
greyroofoo
Schmidty

bulletsponge · 08-21-2006, 08:08 PM

Tangle you turd. after you steped in for me last WW game i promised i wouldnt vote for you the next game, and this is what i get.

molson · 08-21-2006, 08:22 PM

Well, the tanglewood thing was amusing. But I think it's greatest positive affect on the bad guys will tomorrow, instead of today. The momentum was already heading towards gram before the fake reveal. Gram's late vote switches to kill villagers might have brought us to this same conclusion tomorrow.

Tanglewood as Dr. R now seems to make sense. Thus, creating a gram/tangle debate was pretty clever - the bad guys would win either way the vote turned out. (It's interesting that Swags encouraged everyone to vote for one or the other)

The bad guys didn't waste time on trying to identify the "mark" for tomorrow.

molson · 08-21-2006, 08:26 PM

Gram's wrong about me, and since he was a Mason, it seems statistically likely that his other choice, Barkeep, is a wolf.

Barkeep

molson · 08-21-2006, 08:27 PM

Err, I mean

Vote Barkeep

Barkeep49 · 08-21-2006, 08:37 PM

You might want to wait until the night actions are posted. But I do appreciate your confidence, wolf, in my not being killed by your fiendish friends tonight.

SnDvls · 08-21-2006, 09:43 PM

am I dead yet?

Barkeep49 · 08-21-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

am I dead yet?

No. And your woe is me was clearly premature. Surprise surprise.

SnDvls · 08-21-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

No. And your woe is me was clearly premature. Surprise surprise.

too bad.
guess it's prolonged one more day.

SnDvls · 08-21-2006, 09:59 PM

dola -

looks like the only way to survive in this game is to not say anything

Barkeep49 · 08-21-2006, 10:03 PM

Well some of us are trying to win rather than just survive. But yes if all you want is survival consider it mission acomplished. Unless the wolves get you. In which case it's mission failure for not making yourself into a target via excess statements.

Lorena · 08-21-2006, 10:07 PM

So when will the night action be posted?

Alan T · 08-21-2006, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

So when will the night action be posted?

St.cronin said he would post it in the morning I believe.

bulletsponge · 08-21-2006, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

dola -

looks like the only way to survive in this game is to not say anything

Umm unless we win we all become Wolf food, because they will kill us all if we get even to them. unless of course your a wolf SnDvls, then surviving is what you want to do

st.cronin · 08-21-2006, 11:37 PM

Again you awake at dawn, horrified to discover that once again one of your number has not joined you - this morning it is Swaggs whose bloody corpse you discover, with the following cryptic message written on the wall in blood: "Evil will always triumph because Good is STUPID!"

A search of his home reveals that he is a simple villager.

You eye each other warily - only 8 left! How many of you are wolves?

edited to reveal role

Lorena · 08-21-2006, 11:53 PM

I'm going with Grammaticus' dying wish:

VOTE MOLSON

DaddyTorgo · 08-22-2006, 12:00 AM

again for clarity

VOTE MOLSON

vote Molson people. Molson than Barkeep (quite suspicious the evil took Swaggs and not him...that is unless you buy that Barkeep is a wolf too)...then tanglewood

molson · 08-22-2006, 12:07 AM

I think this game's over. At this point, the wolves/bad guys alone can pretty much vote me out themselves.

Barkeep49 · 08-22-2006, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

I think this game's over. At this point, the wolves/bad guys alone can pretty much vote me out themselves.

Perhaps you're right, but I think I'm going to put in my villager vote regardless

Vote Molson

Barkeep49 · 08-22-2006, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Molson than Barkeep (quite suspicious the evil took Swaggs and not him...that is unless you buy that Barkeep is a wolf too)

How is it suspicious? I am one of the top two people with a target on my back.

AND I WAS THE MOST VOCAL, BY FAR, ABOUT KILLING TANGLE WHO IS A CONFIRMED BAD GUY.

I presented the math showing that voting for Tangle was in our best interest and it was ignored. If molson turns out to be bad, as I think he is, turning on me next is not the best idea.

Swaggs · 08-22-2006, 12:32 AM

Damn near perfect game played game by the wolves.

Good luck guys.

DaddyTorgo · 08-22-2006, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

How is it suspicious? I am one of the top two people with a target on my back.

AND I WAS THE MOST VOCAL, BY FAR, ABOUT KILLING TANGLE WHO IS A CONFIRMED BAD GUY.

I presented the math showing that voting for Tangle was in our best interest and it was ignored. If molson turns out to be bad, as I think he is, turning on me next is not the best idea.

well i know i'm a normal villager, and we're already down one mason, so what are the odds that you're NOT another mason and yet still a normal villager? not great IMO. you've had a target on your back for days and yet no one has seen fit to knock you off, the whole time? seems suspicious, especially with Swaggs gone now.

DaddyTorgo · 08-22-2006, 12:41 AM

i'll be working prolly a good 10-11 hours tomorrow or something obscene so i won't be on till around 6 or so EST. but i've already stated my vote for moson twice, and i expect i won't need to change it.

Barkeep49 · 08-22-2006, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

well i know i'm a normal villager, and we're already down one mason, so what are the odds that you're NOT another mason and yet still a normal villager? not great IMO. you've had a target on your back for days and yet no one has seen fit to knock you off, the whole time? seems suspicious, especially with Swaggs gone now.

Having my back to the wall is exactly WHY i wouldn't be knocked off.

And since you asked:

8 players left.

Presumably:
3 villagers
1 mason
2 wolves
1 Dr. R

I think it's safe to assume Tangle is Dr. R. If you are a villager (something I have no reason to believe but since it's your question I will postulate) then the odds of me being a simple villager? 1/3

That's right the answer really is 1/3. Quik would be proud.

Barkeep49 · 08-22-2006, 12:45 AM

I apologize in the numbers above there should be 3 wolves. Doesn't change the fact that in Daddy's world there is a 1/3 shot that I'm a simple villager.

Lorena · 08-22-2006, 12:47 AM

You're very persuasive Barkeep.

DaddyTorgo · 08-22-2006, 12:52 AM

interesting barkeep...interesting. mind you i'm not advocating a dash to lynch you right away, we have to take care of molson and tangle first (at least those two should be fairly obviously bad).

Chief Rum · 08-22-2006, 01:21 AM

Wow, I have missed tons here. My head is still spinning from all the back and forth. Okay, I pretty much suspect everyone. You're all bad; st. cronin is just keeping the game going for kicks.

Hmm, seriously now, if tanglewood is Dr. R., can we use his voting patterns to help us further here? We can't trust what he said about the different players he scanned (one of whom was me, actually--said his view of me was blocked), but what he really learned may have helped him pick who he voted for.

I definitely see points in following Gram's last posts as a guide, though. I'm not sure what good it does to kill tanglewood right now, because other than his vote, what little good for the wolves can he do right now. The wolves will want him dead as soon as they believe his vote won't matter. Given today's results, he already pulled his last card, and can do no more harm, I think (since none of us will believe him).

So I will go with Gram's last post and...

VOTE MOLSON

I have a lot of doubts about Barkeep and still about Sndvls as well, but Molson has way too much going against him now to be ignored.

Alas, I will be away all day Tuesday as well, so this vote will likely stand. But I will check in briefly in the morning, in case someone rpesents a compelling reason to change my vote.

molson · 08-22-2006, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

How is it suspicious? I am one of the top two people with a target on my back.

AND I WAS THE MOST VOCAL, BY FAR, ABOUT KILLING TANGLE WHO IS A CONFIRMED BAD GUY.

I presented the math showing that voting for Tangle was in our best interest and it was ignored. If molson turns out to be bad, as I think he is, turning on me next is not the best idea.

Umm, didn't we decide Tangle was probably Dr. R, so killing him would NOT be in our best interest?

molson · 08-22-2006, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I definitely see points in following Gram's last posts as a guide, though. I'm not sure what good it does to kill tanglewood right now, because other than his vote, what little good for the wolves can he do right now.

One of the typical vet mistakes I've noticed in this game if the stating of things with in an aura of overconfidence that others tend to believe. Gram didn't do the villagers ANY favors by insisting that that I'm lynched. Since he was a mason, that gives the surviving villagers reason to believe that he KNEW that. It's clear that I won't be able to convince you otherwise, but you'll see he was wrong, and that stating things in absolutes when he really has no idea will be the last straw in this game.

Barkeep49 · 08-22-2006, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

Umm, didn't we decide Tangle was probably Dr. R, so killing him would NOT be in our best interest?

Yesterday killing Tangle WAS in our interest as we'd still have kept alive a real good guy and eliminated a vote that will go in the bad guys direction.

Barkeep49 · 08-22-2006, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

One of the typical vet mistakes I've noticed in this game if the stating of things with in an aura of overconfidence that others tend to believe. Gram didn't do the villagers ANY favors by insisting that that I'm lynched. Since he was a mason, that gives the surviving villagers reason to believe that he KNEW that. It's clear that I won't be able to convince you otherwise, but you'll see he was wrong, and that stating things in absolutes when he really has no idea will be the last straw in this game.

I agree that Gram's statements shouldn't be given undue weight just like we didn't do that for Blade. But then this also happens to be in my self interest as well so it's likely people won't give it as much consideration as it deserves either.

bulletsponge · 08-22-2006, 11:21 AM

wow sure got quiet, i think Molson or Barkeep are most likely wolves. ill keep my vote on barkeep for now

Lorena · 08-22-2006, 11:46 AM

They're hiding in their cave conspiring.

molson · 08-22-2006, 12:46 PM

To any of the surviving villagers out there-

Does it concern you AT ALL that there has been zero dissention on the "lynch molson" campaign? Think about it - there's 8 left, up to 4 of them are evil. If I were evil, don't you think that those 4 people, HALF of the remaining players, would be trying to offer other theories at this point? Right now, we're heading towards a 7-1 or 6-2 vote - don't you see how a vote of that margin is GUARANTEED to be wrong at this point?

The bad guys have a ton of voting power right now. This discussion would be VERY different if I were evil.

tanglewood · 08-22-2006, 01:03 PM

Sorry guys, my internet was busted over night but now it's fixed, I bet you're all so pleased to see me again.

Anyone have a vote count?

molson · 08-22-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

wow sure got quiet, i think Molson or Barkeep are most likely wolves. ill keep my vote on barkeep for now

I would say that this is because the wolves are pretty happy with the current voting consensus - there's not much need to say anything.

Lorena · 08-22-2006, 01:08 PM

molson - 3
barkeep - 2

molson · 08-22-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

Sorry guys, my internet was busted over night but now it's fixed, I bet you're all so pleased to see me again.

Anyone have a vote count?

Why don't you go ahead and vote, then I'll add them up.

Barkeep49 · 08-22-2006, 01:11 PM

End games tend to be very quiet. Which is always disappointing as you put forth all this effort and then games seem to fizzle at the end. Not sure how this can be avoided, but there you go.

molson · 08-22-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

molson - 3
barkeep - 2

It's actually 4-2, with tangle's vote outstanding - not sure who the other one is.

Lorena · 08-22-2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

It's actually 4-2, with tangle's vote outstanding - not sure who the other one is.

It is? I think DaddyTorgo voted twice so he could be heard... let me recount them.

Lorena · 08-22-2006, 01:19 PM

My bad, you're right, it is 4-2, I didn't count Chief Rum's vote.

08-21-2006, 11:37 PM	#1922
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Again you awake at dawn, horrified to discover that once again one of your number has not joined you - this morning it is Swaggs whose bloody corpse you discover, with the following cryptic message written on the wall in blood: "Evil will always triumph because Good is STUPID!" A search of his home reveals that he is a simple villager. You eye each other warily - only 8 left! How many of you are wolves? edited to reveal role __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out Last edited by st.cronin : 08-21-2006 at 11:39 PM.

08-22-2006, 12:32 AM	#1928
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Damn near perfect game played game by the wolves. Good luck guys. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-22-2006, 01:21 AM	#1935
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Wow, I have missed tons here. My head is still spinning from all the back and forth. Okay, I pretty much suspect everyone. You're all bad; st. cronin is just keeping the game going for kicks. Hmm, seriously now, if tanglewood is Dr. R., can we use his voting patterns to help us further here? We can't trust what he said about the different players he scanned (one of whom was me, actually--said his view of me was blocked), but what he really learned may have helped him pick who he voted for. I definitely see points in following Gram's last posts as a guide, though. I'm not sure what good it does to kill tanglewood right now, because other than his vote, what little good for the wolves can he do right now. The wolves will want him dead as soon as they believe his vote won't matter. Given today's results, he already pulled his last card, and can do no more harm, I think (since none of us will believe him). So I will go with Gram's last post and... VOTE MOLSON I have a lot of doubts about Barkeep and still about Sndvls as well, but Molson has way too much going against him now to be ignored. Alas, I will be away all day Tuesday as well, so this vote will likely stand. But I will check in briefly in the morning, in case someone rpesents a compelling reason to change my vote. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

08-21-2006, 08:01 PM	#1905
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	So Tangle: did you get a particular glee out of accusing people of not using logic?

08-21-2006, 08:08 PM	#1909
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	Tangle you turd. after you steped in for me last WW game i promised i wouldnt vote for you the next game, and this is what i get.

08-21-2006, 08:22 PM	#1910
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Well, the tanglewood thing was amusing. But I think it's greatest positive affect on the bad guys will tomorrow, instead of today. The momentum was already heading towards gram before the fake reveal. Gram's late vote switches to kill villagers might have brought us to this same conclusion tomorrow. Tanglewood as Dr. R now seems to make sense. Thus, creating a gram/tangle debate was pretty clever - the bad guys would win either way the vote turned out. (It's interesting that Swags encouraged everyone to vote for one or the other) The bad guys didn't waste time on trying to identify the "mark" for tomorrow.

08-21-2006, 08:26 PM	#1911
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Gram's wrong about me, and since he was a Mason, it seems statistically likely that his other choice, Barkeep, is a wolf. Barkeep

08-21-2006, 08:27 PM	#1912
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Err, I mean Vote Barkeep

08-21-2006, 08:37 PM	#1913
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	You might want to wait until the night actions are posted. But I do appreciate your confidence, wolf, in my not being killed by your fiendish friends tonight.

08-21-2006, 09:43 PM	#1914
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	am I dead yet?

08-21-2006, 09:59 PM	#1917
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	dola - looks like the only way to survive in this game is to not say anything

08-21-2006, 10:03 PM	#1918
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Well some of us are trying to win rather than just survive. But yes if all you want is survival consider it mission acomplished. Unless the wolves get you. In which case it's mission failure for not making yourself into a target via excess statements.

08-21-2006, 10:07 PM	#1919
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	So when will the night action be posted?

08-21-2006, 11:53 PM	#1923
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	I'm going with Grammaticus' dying wish: VOTE MOLSON

08-22-2006, 12:00 AM	#1924
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	again for clarity VOTE MOLSON vote Molson people. Molson than Barkeep (quite suspicious the evil took Swaggs and not him...that is unless you buy that Barkeep is a wolf too)...then tanglewood

08-22-2006, 12:07 AM	#1925
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I think this game's over. At this point, the wolves/bad guys alone can pretty much vote me out themselves.

08-22-2006, 12:41 AM	#1930
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'll be working prolly a good 10-11 hours tomorrow or something obscene so i won't be on till around 6 or so EST. but i've already stated my vote for moson twice, and i expect i won't need to change it.

08-22-2006, 12:45 AM	#1932
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I apologize in the numbers above there should be 3 wolves. Doesn't change the fact that in Daddy's world there is a 1/3 shot that I'm a simple villager.

08-22-2006, 12:47 AM	#1933
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	You're very persuasive Barkeep.

08-22-2006, 12:52 AM	#1934
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	interesting barkeep...interesting. mind you i'm not advocating a dash to lynch you right away, we have to take care of molson and tangle first (at least those two should be fairly obviously bad).

08-22-2006, 11:21 AM	#1940
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	wow sure got quiet, i think Molson or Barkeep are most likely wolves. ill keep my vote on barkeep for now

08-22-2006, 11:46 AM	#1941
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	They're hiding in their cave conspiring.

08-22-2006, 12:46 PM	#1942
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	To any of the surviving villagers out there- Does it concern you AT ALL that there has been zero dissention on the "lynch molson" campaign? Think about it - there's 8 left, up to 4 of them are evil. If I were evil, don't you think that those 4 people, HALF of the remaining players, would be trying to offer other theories at this point? Right now, we're heading towards a 7-1 or 6-2 vote - don't you see how a vote of that margin is GUARANTEED to be wrong at this point? The bad guys have a ton of voting power right now. This discussion would be VERY different if I were evil.

08-22-2006, 01:03 PM	#1943
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Sorry guys, my internet was busted over night but now it's fixed, I bet you're all so pleased to see me again. Anyone have a vote count?

08-22-2006, 01:08 PM	#1945
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	molson - 3 barkeep - 2

08-22-2006, 01:11 PM	#1947
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	End games tend to be very quiet. Which is always disappointing as you put forth all this effort and then games seem to fizzle at the end. Not sure how this can be avoided, but there you go.

08-22-2006, 01:19 PM	#1950
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	My bad, you're right, it is 4-2, I didn't count Chief Rum's vote.

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