Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN)

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I said you werent helping us win...wow, if your not offended then im happy. Im used to having to apologize for even the slightest slant. I dont mean it as an insult, so i hope you dont take it that way.

meh. you sniff out the badies better than i ever would. plus i havnt been reading , so i couldnt follow if i wanted to. just staying alive and keeping the odds in our favor is all im really any good for now anyways

[Lathum]

I agree with everything BLade said. Everythime there is some tension I think we should post a link to the egypt game so people can realize things aren't so bad anymore...

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

meh. you sniff out the badies better than i ever would. plus i havnt been reading , so i couldnt follow if i wanted to. just staying alive and keeping the odds in our favor is all im really any good for now anyways

I have a role, nothing more..you showed your skills when you set me up a few games back with your night actions, so your quite capable

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I agree with everything BLade said. Everythime there is some tension I think we should post a link to the egypt game so people can realize things aren't so bad anymore...

you were madddddddd that game, oh boy...im still stunned i get mid-day killed right after we have our total breakdown and no one connects the dots

Im still paying you back for that, and im looking forward to when were both bad so i can cut you loose on day 1 and laugh

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

you were madddddddd that game, oh boy...im still stunned i get mid-day killed right after we have our total breakdown and no one connects the dots

Im still paying you back for that, and im looking forward to when were both bad so i can cut you loose on day 1 and laugh

I'm bored. Someone link it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

We got fagin, for all intensive purposes im happy as can be.

That should be, "for all intents and purposes."

Sorry, misworded idiom peeve of mine.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

That should be, "for all intents and purposes."

Sorry, misworded idiom peeve of mine.

Daddytorgo...remember when i said we all like each other? Scratch that, i now hate someone

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I'm bored. Someone link it.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ht=Necromancer

Its in that thread, around night 3 day 4 i believe.

[Tyrith]

I second Alan in hating you all, especially Alan himself :P and hoops!

[st.cronin]

Lathum day-killing Blade is easily the greatest FOFC werewolf moment ever. Heck, it's got to be on the short list of greatest FOFC moments ever.

[st.cronin]

I can't believe this game isn't over yet.

[Chief Rum]

Hey all, it appears the power has returned. Hopefully it will hold on into the morning at least.

Plus, I found out my second job went against months of scheduling consistency and have me off tomorrow night. Go figure. So it will be business as usual, assuming there is still a game to be played at that point.

[Chief Rum]

Deadline. Writeup coming.

[Chief Rum]

Despite the iffy nature of the lynch in the day time, the people of Whitechapel remain resolved to settle this matter within the next day or two. There are calls to arrest Daddy Torgo, as Dodgerchick's innocence can only mean he is guilty, can it not, they reasoned?

They will not wait around on the Chief of Inspectors, though. They have another night to try to pass alive. They return quietly to their homes to wait it out.

It is a quiet night, and not many are out except for the prostitutes--and the constables! They do indeed find DaddyTorgo in Whitechapel, getting some dinner, and they arrest him on the charge of suspicion of the murder of Barkeep! There is no incident in his arrest, and he is removed to the jail on Whitechapel Road.

The public remains inside while this is happening--but apparently that cannot keep them safe. Early in the wee morning hours, [b]hoopsguy[/b[, working on a corner in Commercial, hears a door opening and closing repeatedly in the wind a block over from his spot for the night. He goes to investigate, and soon arrives at path12's door.

Soon a hue and cry has been raised. path12 is dead! A dagger has been thrust into his heart, and his flat is torn up from the struggle.

And yet, DaddyTorgo was already in jail...

[b]NIGHT SIX NOW ENDS. DAY SIX NOW BEGINS. THE DEADLINE FOR VOTING AND DAY ACTIONS IS 10 P.M. EST/7 P.M. PDT. THE MINIMUM REQUIRED LYNCH NUMBERS IN THE REGULAR LYNCH IS TWO.

DADDYTORGO IS ALSO UP FOR LYNCHING.

[Chief Rum]

PMs coming shortly.

[hoopsguy]

No hookups, no one seen. Just the discovery of Path's body, as detailed in the general message.

Blade, hope that you came up with something clever with your view last night. The fact that you have been left alive this long implies to me that our killer is probably someone in your trust list.

Taking out Path took some guts too as he would likely have been among the list of top targets with DaddyTorgo locked up.

[Izulde]

No hookups, no one seen for me either and I was in Whitechapel. Was a real dead night too.

I also find path's murder quite surprising, as he and DaddyTorgo were two of the most talked about suspects.

[Raiders Army]

I'm guessing that either Moriarty or a Freemason killed path. I hope it was Moriarty. That being said, if it was Moriarty then DT is innocent.

[Izulde]

VOTE LYNCH DADDYTORGO

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

I still suspect DT of poisoning Barkeep, and bullet's been awfully UTR and the only one I'm getting anything close to an evil vibe from at this point.

[Raiders Army]

I can go with that.

VOTE BULLETSPONGE
VOTE LYNCH DADDYTORGO

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i've engaged in the game hoops. taking cheap shots at me for having to work is pretty low, and honestly is a good way of discouraging me from participating in future WW games. not that i expect that to cause you to back off or really get any response from anyone other than a sarcastic "boo hoo" or "maybe you shouldn't" from you or anyone, but just FYI.

I feel the same way almost every game. Usually after signing up I tell myself, why in the hell did I sign up? There's something strangely appealing about this game. I'm lucky though, I do have time to play, but there are times that I get so damn frustrated that I feel like not playing anymore. Actually, I still feel like that. But I'm a chick and get emotional over stupid things, things I probably shouldn't. That and I really suck, I'm fucking terrible... clues get thrown around and when people say "I read the clues" I'm like what fucking clues? I didn't read shit.

Anyway, just wanted to say I know where you're coming from DT.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

I feel the same way almost every game. Usually after signing up I tell myself, why in the hell did I sign up? There's something strangely appealing about this game. I'm lucky though, I do have time to play, but there are times that I get so damn frustrated that I feel like not playing anymore. Actually, I still feel like that. But I'm a chick and get emotional over stupid things, things I probably shouldn't. That and I really suck, I'm fucking terrible... clues get thrown around and when people say "I read the clues" I'm like what fucking clues? I didn't read shit.

Anyway, just wanted to say I know where you're coming from DT.

I just assume they are picking on my character. And that they don't know squat. I too hardly ever see the clues bandied about in most games.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Lathum day-killing Blade is easily the greatest FOFC werewolf moment ever. Heck, it's got to be on the short list of greatest FOFC moments ever.

fond memories...

[hoopsguy]

Daddy, when you sign on - were you able to complete any activities last night before you were arrested?

That is one thing that has been challenging for me in trying to understand nightly events - I have not been able to follow when events are happening in terms of the two phases (1st or 2nd) or to understand what people can do in conjunction with their actions.

However, with Path's death I'm moving further towards the idea that people can not both visit a prostitute and kill on the same evenings.

There is not a single person left alive who has visited me at night.
People I have not seen at all during night sessions: Raiders, Swaggs, Bullet, Daddy.

[hoopsguy]

I'm also looking for someone to come up with a good reason that we would not do full role reveals today - are there still meaningful reasons to hold onto role information in order to keep someone alive at night? They have left Blade (seer) alive for 3+ nights now ...

[path12]

Crap, I was hoping to make it till the end. Good luck!

[path12]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

I feel the same way almost every game. Usually after signing up I tell myself, why in the hell did I sign up? There's something strangely appealing about this game. I'm lucky though, I do have time to play, but there are times that I get so damn frustrated that I feel like not playing anymore. Actually, I still feel like that. But I'm a chick and get emotional over stupid things, things I probably shouldn't. That and I really suck, I'm fucking terrible... clues get thrown around and when people say "I read the clues" I'm like what fucking clues? I didn't read shit.

Anyway, just wanted to say I know where you're coming from DT.

FWIW, I don't think any of us always see the clues, and sometimes the clues are frankly wrong. I think that you've come a lot further than you think you have, and I'd say the same for all of the newer players. You guys bring a lot to the table even when you think you don't.

It's really just a matter of playing more, there's no light bulb that magically comes on, you just start to see things that you might not have before. But never think that you don't have something to add as a newer player -- and if any of us are making you feel that way you need to call us on it, because it's likely not intentional or personal, but just a comment in the heat of the moment.

[hoopsguy]

I think both Path and Blade had really good posts on the larger werewolf community.

I think this is a challenging game to play if you do not have cycles to give to it - there are several hundred posts a day coming from a large number of players at the outset of the game. Some of those people are trying to deceive you, while others are trying to provide information to help you make good decisions. I think it is a substantial advantage having time to see some of the information posted in real-time and be able to react to it. Reading a ton of posts at the end of the day has to be tough, as you have only a limited ability to shape the conversation by that point in time.

There is also an advantage from having played with people in previous games, as you start to build some kind of a profile for how that person acts in certain roles/situations. This is, I think, where the vets do build up a bit of an advantage in play. But that doesn't mean they are right all the time - or even most of the time.

Anyways, I would be very interested in having conversations about how we can make the game more enjoyable for people - whether it is structure of a game or changes in inter-personal behavior. I know the majority of the folks here have a lot of fun playing this game and want to continue running engaging, vibrant games with participation from everyone involved. That said, I think that moving that conversation out of this thread and into a more specific thread on the topic might be a better way to go so we don't threadjack Chief's game and to potentially include a bigger audience.

[Blade6119]

Raiders, i think its time for you to come out with everything...its not a secret anymore, and your now the only uncleared person alive

As of now, bullet would be my vote...but im not ready to place it just yet.

[hoopsguy]

Blade - why Raiders vs Swaggs? I have thought Raiders had a certain role but I've never had any feel for what Swaggs' role is.

I understand you want Raiders to come forward, but some illumination between these two would be helpful.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade - why Raiders vs Swaggs? I have thought Raiders had a certain role but I've never had any feel for what Swaggs' role is.

I understand you want Raiders to come forward, but some illumination between these two would be helpful.

I have scanned swaggs, and know what role he has(or had at the time i suppose)...i have not scanned raiders.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i don't suppose I have the option of visiting a prostitute tonight, as Blade has called for RA to arrest me tonight and haul me off to jail.

Well, as DT surmised, I can arrest people. I arrested Izulde on a guess based on his vote for Day 1, but that was apparently wrong. I arrested Swaggs because I suspected him. I arrested LSG because she was quiet and nobody vouched for her. Of course, I arrested DT because Blade told me to.

I am the Chief of Inspections. The reason why I knew what happened with Lathum following hoops was because ntndeacon followed hoops that night to figure out who he was. It was revealed that hoops was a simple prostitute at the time. I have never gone out at night and I have no idea about money in this game. Thus, the gold comment at the beginning of the game. I can also duke the vote and prevent someone from being lynched.

That being said, because I have Swaggs in jail we can lynch him tonight or keep him in jail or free him. The way we keep him in jail is by bringing evidence forward that he committed the murder of Barkeep. FWIW, I do not need any evidence to jail someone; however, to keep them in jail another day/night, I must present evidence like everyone else. I did so with LSG in a PM to Chief Rum. It can be any evidence, however flimsy, but Chief Rum is the sole judge of what constitutes enough to keep that person in jail.

[Raiders Army]

Forgot a few other things:

There can be up to two people in jail at a time.
Anyone who is arrested and released cannot be jailed again. So Izulde and Swaggs cannot be jailed again.

[Blade6119]

And for everyone who cant connect the dots, i scanned NTN deacon night one...so raiders knew us because of our chat with NTN, who he could speak freely with like cronin and I can. We knew him when he spoke about knowing both holmes and watson the next morning. So we have both protected the other.

I lied about seeing raiders in my urchin bid to stop the lynch turning his way, he bought silver bullets and saved me from dubb.

[hoopsguy]

Raiders, that is the role I expected you to have, although obviously didn't know the particulars.

How did you and Blade interact early in the game? Because I still don't understand that part if you don't go out at night and Blade has never formally looked you up?

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I lied about seeing raiders in my urchin bid to stop the lynch turning his way, he bought silver bullets and saved me from dubb.

FWIW, that wasn't me. I just attributed that to the write-up.

[st.cronin]

I won't get completely caught up til later this afternoon, but I think our last bad guy screwed up last night. I was planning on pushing hard for a path lynch today.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so lets go over information that we have up to this point.

Izulde - known good Night 0
Hoops - known good Night 1 (per RA via NTN)
Bullet - known good Night 1 (per Barkeep)
Blade/Cronin - Holmes/Watson
RA - Inspector
Swaggs - ???
DT - ???, but what was sequence for jailing vs killing? Night results suggest jail first ...


Raiders, can you shed any light on the timing of a jailing compared to other night actions?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

FWIW, that wasn't me. I just attributed that to the write-up.

Well screw you, i thought you went out of your way to help me...never mind, go ahead and lynch raiders

[hoopsguy]

DaddyT - how did you know that Raiders did the jailing? I suspected it, but that was based to a certain extent on past games played. To the best of my knowledge, you have not played in a game with him before.

Did you have access to information? If so, how?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, so lets go over information that we have up to this point.

Izulde - known good Night 0
Hoops - known good Night 1 (per RA via NTN)
Bullet - known good Night 1 (per Barkeep)
Blade/Cronin - Holmes/Watson
RA - Inspector
Swaggs - ???
DT - ???, but what was sequence for jailing vs killing? Night results suggest jail first ...


Raiders, can you shed any light on the timing of a jailing compared to other night actions?

Swaggs - Known good night 3 (per Blade and Cronin)

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

DaddyT - how did you know that Raiders did the jailing? I suspected it, but that was based to a certain extent on past games played. To the best of my knowledge, you have not played in a game with him before.

Did you have access to information? If so, how?

Well, he was the only person whos role wasnt public knowledge..it didnt seem a big secret to me who RA was

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Raiders, can you shed any light on the timing of a jailing compared to other night actions?

Nope. I don't know how the timing goes. I believe I asked that question of Izulde and Swaggs earlier. I was confused that one was able to perform a night action and one was not. FWIW, I don't believe that DT did not perform a night action. My guys got him while he was eating dinner.

As per the last sentence above, I don't go out. I have some guards who go out and get people.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

That being said, because I have Swaggs in jail we can lynch him tonight or keep him in jail or free him. The way we keep him in jail is by bringing evidence forward that he committed the murder of Barkeep. FWIW, I do not need any evidence to jail someone; however, to keep them in jail another day/night, I must present evidence like everyone else. I did so with LSG in a PM to Chief Rum. It can be any evidence, however flimsy, but Chief Rum is the sole judge of what constitutes enough to keep that person in jail.

I'm not in jail. DT is.

[Swaggs]

I was able to go to the opium den to get high AND be questioned by Blade and cronin (who should both be able to verify this) on Night 3, so it appears that it is possible to carry out a night action before being arrested.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Well, he was the only person whos role wasnt public knowledge..it didnt seem a big secret to me who RA was

Swaggs' role was not public knowledge - I still have no idea what he does.

Thanks for the update on that "known good" list.

[Swaggs]

BTW, I did not go out last night because I still couldn't afford it.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Swaggs' role was not public knowledge - I still have no idea what he does.

Thanks for the update on that "known good" list.

I am the local tanner. No special abilities.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Swaggs' role was not public knowledge - I still have no idea what he does.

Thanks for the update on that "known good" list.

Yes it is, he is a simple londoner...i said it the morning after i scanned him, but later on i hinted at him having one when he and raiders were squabbling quite frankly to give the bad guys more targets to consider. Swaggs was a simple londoner on night 3.

[Blade6119]

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

VOTE NO LYNCH DADDYTORGO