Soccer Thread 2011-2012 - Page 38

Grover · 06-10-2012, 12:45 PM

What a run from Marchisio

Crapshoot · 06-10-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

This doesn't bode well for Torres' chances to play in the next games, does it?

Dunno - Del Bosque loves him, taking him over Soldado in the squad, keeps plying him over Llorente and Negredo.

Crapshoot · 06-10-2012, 12:49 PM

Apologies for spelling btw; typing on an iPad.

whomario · 06-10-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

This doesn't bode well for Torres' chances to play in the next games, does it?

spanish game as a whole picked up with him in though and they will not get by with how they played before that, that 1 stroke of genius notwithstanding.

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario

spanish game as a whole picked up with him in though and they will not get by with how they played before that, that 1 stroke of genius notwithstanding.

True.

Crapshoot · 06-10-2012, 01:03 PM

Also, does Rossi look uncomfortable in the studio or what?

Grover · 06-10-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Also, does Rossi look uncomfortable in the studio or what?

I was just thinking this.

Grover · 06-10-2012, 01:09 PM

Ballack, what a prick.

B & B · 06-10-2012, 01:40 PM

Ballack on and off the field a selfish man whore

Critch · 06-10-2012, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Grover

Ballack, what a prick.

What did he say? I'd kind of phased him out by then.

I did like his line yesterday about Dutch children all having big ears because their parents would take them to the border, pick them up by the ears and say "There's Germany, the World Champions."

Icy · 06-10-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario

spanish game as a whole picked up with him in though and they will not get by with how they played before that, that 1 stroke of genius notwithstanding.

Agree, Spain can't play that 4-6-0 anymore unless winning and wanting to lose time keeping the ball. Spanish players also played too slow for the 4-6-0 requirements, without enough mobility and quick passing that is the key of that non striker system. It was also clear that Xavi, Alonso, Busquets and Fabregas were too much central midfielders along with Silva and Iniesta that also move towards the middle most of the time. They all were taking each other space.

It was clear that Spain is very predictable offensively without a real striker (besides some magic played for the goal play, but that won't be always there), as for example you can't open and field and cross from the wings if there are only small midfielders around to go for the header. It was proven when Navas replaced Silva, he opened the game a lot and was dangerous at the right side, but there was nobody in the area to hit his crosses.

Torres had a few very good chances (that ruined as he is Torres), a fast striker can do wonders with the great Spanish passers around.

Grover · 06-10-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Critch

What did he say? I'd kind of phased him out by then.

I did like his line yesterday about Dutch children all having big ears because their parents would take them to the border, pick them up by the ears and say "There's Germany, the World Champions."

They were discussing why Rossi chose Italy.

"He's got more of a chance to win something"

whomario · 06-10-2012, 02:22 PM

Slaven Bilic is awesome

Crapshoot · 06-10-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Grover

They were discussing why Rossi chose Italy.

"He's got more of a chance to win something"

That makes him a prick? That makes him honest!

cthomer5000 · 06-10-2012, 02:30 PM

this game is living up to me expectations

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2012, 02:35 PM

Most entertaining game so far.

Crapshoot · 06-10-2012, 02:53 PM

Shay Given is having a howler; that first goal he should have stopped, and this one came of his head.

cthomer5000 · 06-10-2012, 02:54 PM

Wonder if they'll credit that as an OG to Given.

cthomer5000 · 06-10-2012, 02:57 PM

Aside from USA, I imagine this is the first time an MLS player has captained his team at a major international tournament (Robbie Keane, LA Galaxy).

Easy Mac · 06-10-2012, 03:07 PM

I assumed he was the first MLS player to play at the Euros.

cthomer5000 · 06-10-2012, 03:08 PM

Legit penalty claim there for Ireland.

Easy Mac · 06-10-2012, 03:09 PM

Google tells me he's the fourth.

cthomer5000 · 06-10-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

I assumed he was the first MLS player to play at the Euros.

I'm pretty sure a few have appeared before. The first wave of MLS had some fairly big-name players.

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Aside from USA, I imagine this is the first time an MLS player has captained his team at a major international tournament (Robbie Keane, LA Galaxy).

The best I can think of is Carlos Valderrama for Colombia in 1998.

cthomer5000 · 06-10-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

The best I can think of is Carlos Valderrama for Colombia in 1998.

Yeah i just thought of Valderrama. Did he captain Columbia while playing in MLS?

Either way, first MLS captain at the Euros for sure.

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I'm pretty sure a few have appeared before. The first wave of MLS had some fairly big-name players.

Lothar Matthäus in 2000 and Robert Donadoni in 1996? But I'm not sure, it could be both went to the MetroStars after the Euro's.

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Yeah i just thought of Valderrama. Did he captain Columbia while playing in MLS?

Either way, first MLS captain at the Euros for sure.

That seems likely, yes. David Beckham could have been the first in 2010, I suppose.

cthomer5000 · 06-10-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Lothar Matthäus in 2000 and Robert Donadoni in 1996? But I'm not sure, it could be both went to the MetroStars after the Euro's.

Yeah, those two and Miklos Molnar playing for the Kansas City Wizards and Denmark at Euro 2000.

cthomer5000 · 06-10-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

That seems likely, yes. David Beckham could have been the first in 2010, I suppose.

Wikipedia says Valderrama captained Columbia at the 1998 WC. And he'd been in MLS since the start.. impressive.

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2012, 03:26 PM

Heh, I would have never guessed Miklas Molnar, Denmark 2000, playing for KC Wiz at the time. Looks like he's the 4th MLS player at the Euro's (other than Robbie Keane, Matthäus and Donadoni).

Ryan S · 06-10-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

That seems likely, yes. David Beckham could have been the first in 2010, I suppose.

Beckham was injured in 2010, and England did not make Euro 2008.

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2012, 03:28 PM

Crossposting for the win!

MIJB#19 · 06-10-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan S

Beckham was injured in 2010, and England did not make Euro 2008.

Hence the "could".

But I bet you really just wanted to remind people of England missing 2008.

cthomer5000 · 06-10-2012, 03:58 PM

Ireland are probably screwed. That was the most likely place for them to pick up 3 points. Hard to imagine them getting out of the group now. They'll need to do some incredible work in the last two games to advance.

DaddyTorgo · 06-10-2012, 04:09 PM

DVR'd and just finished.

GG Italy.

I thought they looked more dangerous than Spain for the entirety of the game, and had a couple golden chances to score. Enough so that I'm mildly upset they didn't come out with 3pts.

Balotelli is a turd. As much as I don't like Rossi as an American, as a fan of Italy I wish he was out there.

Critch · 06-10-2012, 07:22 PM

Daniele De Rossi has a great tattoo on his "tackling" leg:

stevew · 06-11-2012, 11:31 AM

Awesome header there for England.

stevew · 06-11-2012, 11:39 AM

Equalizer!

Easy Mac · 06-11-2012, 11:41 AM

Can't get beat near post on that shot.

B & B · 06-11-2012, 11:50 AM

I didnt know England was playing 8 defenders

Easy Mac · 06-11-2012, 11:53 AM

In US news, Terrance Boyd has transferred to Rapid Vienna in Austria from Dortmund. Good for his to get a chance to compete for time at a team that is in the Europa League, but evidently Dortmund isn't as high on him as US fans are.

Easy Mac · 06-11-2012, 12:33 PM

Two questions:

I was going to ask if England knows they're allowed to attack, but are England actually allowed to attack? Is it against the rules?

Has Ribery actually attempted a pass today? I'm pretty I saw him try to knock Nasri off the ball earlier.

rowech · 06-11-2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Two questions:

I was going to ask if England knows they're allowed to attack, but are England actually allowed to attack? Is it against the rules?

Has Ribery actually attempted a pass today? I'm pretty I saw him try to knock Nasri off the ball earlier.

I don't really care to see France win but if England's not even going to try and win then Viva La France.

ISiddiqui · 06-11-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by B & B

I didnt know England was playing 8 defenders

They didn't get replaced by Italians, did they?

cartman · 06-11-2012, 01:02 PM

All I can figure is that they came up with this plan solely to piss Wayne Rooney off so that he'd tear up teams the rest of the way.

Marc Vaughan · 06-11-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

I don't really care to see France win but if England's not even going to try and win then Viva La France.

I thought we played well - we had a plan and stuck to it, counter attacking and set-pieces.

Our midfield collapsed too far back towards the defense when they tired out towards the end of both halves, that made our possession infrequent as France pick up any balls cleared (simply put there wasn't anyone free to distribute the ball to) ... but I'm hoping we'll sort that out in the subsequent games.

We needed to be defensive, France have a good side - they're intelligent with good technique and movement, we had our chances and if Milner had had a bit more luck we'd have snuck it 2-1 ...

DaddyTorgo · 06-11-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

...if Milner had had a bit more luck we'd have snuck it 2-1 ...

I think you mean "skill" and not "luck." Shit - he could have played it square across for the tap-in from whoever was coming down the far-side (I was at the gym and didn't have my glasses on so I couldn't tell who it was).

Marc Vaughan · 06-11-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I think you mean "skill" and not "luck." Shit - he could have played it square across for the tap-in from whoever was coming down the far-side (I was at the gym and didn't have my glasses on so I couldn't tell who it was).

Defender would have intercepted it imho (although I haven't seen a replay but that was my gut instinct), he had to take it first time and shoot, if he'd controlled it or tried to knock it centrally I believe the defense would have handled it ...

DaddyTorgo · 06-11-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

Defender would have intercepted it imho (although I haven't seen a replay but that was my gut instinct), he had to take it first time and shoot, if he'd controlled it or tried to knock it centrally I believe the defense would have handled it ...

Like I said - I was at the gym without glasses (and therefore effectively blind). It's quite possible I missed a defender in the middle that would have gotten in the way.

Regardless...a bad miss by him.

DaddyTorgo · 06-11-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Grover

What a run from Marchisio

He's been doing this sort of thing all year. Was joint top-scorer for Juve.

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