1839 Season Thread

[Young Drachma]

Simming to the start of Spring Training right now. Tomorrow night will be your last chance to make any offers on players, as you'll set a spring training roster tonight, can make your changes/tinker after the post-ST file goes up. Then we'll sim the 1st half on the 1st.

11/29: FA4/Spring Training
12/1: 1st Half Sim
12/3: Draft/FA Auction
12/4: 2nd Half Sim
12/5: Post-season
12/6: Extensions deadline

Eventually, we'll get this league on a date schedule so a particular event in-game correlates with the day of the week. It makes it easier to know what's going on for everyone. So I'll work on that for next season, so we can stick with it.

[Young Drachma]

Sidenote: I forgot when I told the game to sim to the start of ST, that I needed to alter the leagues/schedule for interleague. So as a result, we'll be stuck with one more year under the current setup with no-DH in either league. But for next year, I'll get it right. I could've closed out of the game and not saved and started again..but I didn't want to affect signings however they went down (fwiw, I didn't have anything put in for my own team and I haven't even looked at who went where) but I figured better to keep it fair or whatever by doing it how it went down.

Also important to note that we were only missing two exports for this sim.

[Young Drachma]

Pre-ST file is up. ST tomorrow night!

[Young Drachma]

SPRING TRAINING RESULTS
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NL
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Los Angeles 15-9
San Diego 13-11
Memphis 12-12
Frisco 11-13
Phoenix 11-13
Pennsylvania 10-14

AL
------
Columbus 14-10
Chicago 14-10
New York 13-11
Milwaukee 12-12
Toronto 11-13
Carolina 8-16

[Young Drachma]

In the off-chance one of the few AI teams ends up winning a pennant in either half, the human team with the best overall record at the end of the year without a spot will get the option of taking them over for the post-season. No reason for the AI to play in the post-season when we have owners around.

The deadline for exports is Thursday at 8am. I'll run the 1st half LIVE here in the forum at 10pm eastern.

[Young Drachma]

File is up. See you all Thursday night.

[SkippyDies]

thanks dc! pumped for the season. i think this is the year for toronto!!

[ShoelessJ03]

Milwaukee is ready to try and defend our title. Probably have a terrible season though!

[Young Drachma]

I'm going to go ahead and start this show, given the raucous crowd we get, I don't think it'll matter. Heh. But I need to go back to work, so I want to do it before then.

[Young Drachma]

STANDINGS AS OF APRIL 1, 1839

Nationwide League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
San Diego Fathers	8	3	.727	-
Frisco Rough Riders	7	4	.636	1.0
Phoenix Firebirds	6	5	.545	2.0
Memphis Smokers		5	6	.455	3.0
Pennsylvania Paladins	4	7	.364	4.0
Los Angeles Vulcans	3	8	.273	5.0

Associated League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
New York Americans	7	4	.636	-
Chicago Hornets		7	4	.636	-
Toronto Tecumsehs	6	5	.545	1.0
Milwaukee Blue Ribbons	6	5	.545	1.0
Columbus Astros		5	6	.455	2.0
Carolina Kings		2	9	.182	5.0

[Young Drachma]

STANDINGS AS OF MAY 1, 1839

Nationwide League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
Frisco Rough Riders	20	17	.541	-
San Diego Fathers	19	18	.514	1.0
Memphis Smokers		19	18	.514	1.0
Los Angeles Vulcans	19	19	.500	1.5
Phoenix Firebirds	18	20	.474	2.5
Pennsylvania Paladins	18	21	.462	3.0

Associated League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
Chicago Hornets		22	16	.579	-
New York Americans	21	17	.553	1.0
Milwaukee Blue Ribbons	20	17	.541	1.5
Toronto Tecumsehs	19	18	.514	2.5
Columbus Astros		17	22	.436	5.5
Carolina Kings		14	23	.378	7.5

[Young Drachma]

Looks like we've got a close year on our hands!!!

[Young Drachma]

STANDINGS AS OF JUNE 1, 1839

Nationwide League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
Los Angeles Vulcans	40	26	.606	-
San Diego Fathers	36	28	.563	3.0
Frisco Rough Riders	35	29	.547	4.0
Memphis Smokers		32	32	.500	7.0
Phoenix Firebirds	31	34	.477	8.5
Pennsylvania Paladins	31	36	.463	9.5

Associated League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
New York Americans	38	28	.576	-
Milwaukee Blue Ribbons	35	30	.538	2.5
Chicago Hornets		35	30	.538	2.5
Toronto Tecumsehs	32	33	.492	5.5
Columbus Astros		24	42	.364	14.0
Carolina Kings		22	43	.338	15.5

[Young Drachma]

STANDINGS AS OF JUNE 18, 1839

Nationwide League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
Los Angeles Vulcans	49	33	.598	-
Frisco Rough Riders	44	37	.543	4.5
San Diego Fathers	43	38	.531	5.5
Phoenix Firebirds	42	40	.512	7.0
Memphis Smokers		40	41	.494	8.5
Pennsylvania Paladins	40	43	.482	9.5

Associated League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
New York Americans	48	34	.585	-
Milwaukee Blue Ribbons	45	36	.556	2.5
Chicago Hornets		42	40	.512	6.0
Toronto Tecumsehs	40	41	.494	7.5
Columbus Astros		31	52	.373	17.5
Carolina Kings		26	55	.321	21.5

New York and Los Angeles claim their leagues respective 1st half titles. In LA's case, since they're the team with no owner...we'll take the owner with the best overall record in either league NOT to make the post-season and give him the chance to control them in the postseason.

[Young Drachma]

Next export is due tomorrow night. This will include your draft lists and the trade block is officially open, as well as free agent auction block for anyone out there you might want to add for the 2nd half push.

I'll upload a new file, process trades and we'll sim the season on Saturday.

[Young Drachma]

File is up!

[Young Drachma]

HTML updated, too.

Second League of Offseason Play Home

[ShoelessJ03]

Well, we came on strong towards the end but it appears it was too-little-too-late.

We will be ready for the second half.

[Young Drachma]

Next year, we're going to dispense with the draft. It's a real buzzkill to the format and no one playing fast-sim is really interested in traditional "player development" in the sense that we know it. Player development will be ramped up significantly too to minimize the "wait" that we often have with that.

We'll come up with some kind of other process, likely to mirror to the mid-season FA auction where new players will enter the pool -- both rookies and foreign players -- and you'll be able to post a bid on those players. More on that after the season, though.

I'll also come up with a day-of-the-week schedule for this league, so that you can predict what's going to happen on what day, versus now where it's variable so that we can get into a routine. It's a helpful shorthand.

Feel free to offer up any suggestions you have, too. I suspect after the holidays, I'll be able to ramp up my immersive activities a bit more too.

[ShoelessJ03]

[quote=Dark Cloud;2575379]Next year, we're going to dispense with the draft. It's a real buzzkill to the format and no one playing fast-sim is really interested in traditional "player development" in the sense that we know it. [quote]


Actually, this is my favorite part of fast sim. I get the most enjoyment out of drafting my players, watching them develop in the minors and then watch their major league careers pan out before my eyes.

[SkippyDies]

Toronto wants to deal 3b wilson bancroft and 2b mark davis before the deadline. Get in touch!!! I want pitching or prospects with cheaper players.

[JTSMOOTH]

I guess it depends on what your exact definition of traditional player development would be, but I think one of the thing I personally thought was lacking from FOOL was the lack of player development(ie no late round picks developed and most stud draft picks were stud players)

Im good with either a draft or dumping them to FA, though again for me personally I'm not a big fan of the bidding on the board process. Is it no possible to have the amateurs and foreign players bid on through the normal FA process in game?

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Next year, we're going to dispense with the draft. It's a real buzzkill to the format and no one playing fast-sim is really interested in traditional "player development" in the sense that we know it. Player development will be ramped up significantly too to minimize the "wait" that we often have with that.

We'll come up with some kind of other process, likely to mirror to the mid-season FA auction where new players will enter the pool -- both rookies and foreign players -- and you'll be able to post a bid on those players. More on that after the season, though.

I'll also come up with a day-of-the-week schedule for this league, so that you can predict what's going to happen on what day, versus now where it's variable so that we can get into a routine. It's a helpful shorthand.

Feel free to offer up any suggestions you have, too. I suspect after the holidays, I'll be able to ramp up my immersive activities a bit more too.

[JTSMOOTH]

Was just curious if there was a particular reason that all of the draft eligible players are always high school kids 17 and 18?

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by JTSMOOTH

Was just curious if there was a particular reason that all of the draft eligible players are always high school kids 17 and 18?

This could be adjusted in-game pretty easily, if we wanted to. I'd just have to tell the game to make amateur players old. The only problem is, they wouldn't exactly be "better" than they are now.

It's just a setup thing.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by JTSMOOTH

I guess it depends on what your exact definition of traditional player development would be, but I think one of the thing I personally thought was lacking from FOOL was the lack of player development(ie no late round picks developed and most stud draft picks were stud players)

Im good with either a draft or dumping them to FA, though again for me personally I'm not a big fan of the bidding on the board process. Is it no possible to have the amateurs and foreign players bid on through the normal FA process in game?

Well, part of that is because of the talent change randomness in-game. We can alter that here. In FOOL, people in the early days seemed to HATE when a player wouldn't pan out. So I changed it to meet people's desires in that way and it never changed.

But here, I'm fine with doing that differently. We can do FAs in-game, the only reason we do it on the board publically for the mid-season is because it takes too many days in-game for the game to do the signings, that's all.

The problem with doing rookies that way, is that the game will often give minor leaguers who are on minor league deals to the first team that bids or uses a process that MARKUS has never revealed and so, it's not a fair biddingprocess. Like you can offer a guy a ML deal and he'll sign with someone with a minor league contract instead.

Someone else brought up the issue with the draft and to be fair, in a league with this kind of speed...you're using a ton of shorthand and so, the OOTP process is just clunky for those purposes.

But I think some kind of way to bring rookies into the game without being bogged down the process and perhaps to create a bit of electricity or drama between the owners in the process would/could be fun I think.

[SkippyDies]

where do I post trades?

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by SkippyDies

where do I post trades?

What is this trade thing you speak of? Since we don't have a trade forum, you can just post them in the season thread or off-season threads as necessary.

[SkippyDies]

good dealing with u man. here is the final haul for posting

SAN DIEGO trades
1B Phil Murray
SS Andy Scott
LF Spencer Miller
SP Mike Lane
C Travis Sanders
CF Max Stewart
CF Pat Butler
SP Bill Todd
SP David Bancroft
and the rights to the 1839 12th overall draft pick

to TORONTO for

LF Danny Roach
3B Winston Bancroft
C Nathan Graham
1B Earl Burch

[Ramzavail]

confirmed.

[Young Drachma]

Wow, well...I guess that's one way to end our trade drought. Goodness gracious.

[ShoelessJ03]

Originally Posted by SkippyDies

good dealing with u man. here is the final haul for posting

SAN DIEGO trades
1B Phil Murray
SS Andy Scott
LF Spencer Miller
SP Mike Lane
C Travis Sanders
CF Max Stewart
CF Pat Butler
SP Bill Todd
SP David Bancroft
and the rights to the 1839 12th overall draft pick

to TORONTO for

LF Danny Roach
3B Winston Bancroft
C Nathan Graham
1B Earl Burch

HOLY trade!

[JTSMOOTH]

Right I understand that part, thought maybe there was some reasoning behind it being set up that way since I don't believe that to be the default setting.

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

This could be adjusted in-game pretty easily, if we wanted to. I'd just have to tell the game to make amateur players old. The only problem is, they wouldn't exactly be "better" than they are now.

It's just a setup thing.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by JTSMOOTH

Right I understand that part, thought maybe there was some reasoning behind it being set up that way since I don't believe that to be the default setting.

I'm pretty sure that when I first started the league, it was done to ensure that everyone we drafted would be around a long time. I don't recall, this league actually existed for 30 years before I reset it for this iteration. So there's no telling what my thinking was at the time. But I can change it now and will for next year, no worries.

[goosedennis]

Chicago wants to trade Gerald Meeks for prospects before the deadline... .289/.356/.486 slash line this season with 8 dingers and 44 ribbies. I'd prefer catching spects, but anything will do. Get in touch either via PM or IM (goosedennis on AIM)

[Young Drachma]

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ember-1st.html

A small OOTP patch released yesterday. Update whenever, it won't affect exports either way.

[Jack Raden]

At least we've improved over last season.

[JTSMOOTH]

I had forgotten about the MLC issue, so I guess that could pose a problem. To be honest, I don't think I've ever played in a league without a draft, always thought it would be interesting to try, so I'm certainly on board with the idea.

Won't most of the good amateur FA be looking for big league contracts?

I'm on board with whatever you guys decide to do with the amateur players, its just been a long time dating back to my high heat baseball days since I've done message board bidding for players. Thinking back to those days, I think the biggest annoyance for me on the message board bidding was it was all about who could be available at certain times of the day. For instance if the deadline to post bids was midnight, someone who is generally up later in the night would get last crack at the players.

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Well, part of that is because of the talent change randomness in-game. We can alter that here. In FOOL, people in the early days seemed to HATE when a player wouldn't pan out. So I changed it to meet people's desires in that way and it never changed.

But here, I'm fine with doing that differently. We can do FAs in-game, the only reason we do it on the board publically for the mid-season is because it takes too many days in-game for the game to do the signings, that's all.

The problem with doing rookies that way, is that the game will often give minor leaguers who are on minor league deals to the first team that bids or uses a process that MARKUS has never revealed and so, it's not a fair biddingprocess. Like you can offer a guy a ML deal and he'll sign with someone with a minor league contract instead.

Someone else brought up the issue with the draft and to be fair, in a league with this kind of speed...you're using a ton of shorthand and so, the OOTP process is just clunky for those purposes.

But I think some kind of way to bring rookies into the game without being bogged down the process and perhaps to create a bit of electricity or drama between the owners in the process would/could be fun I think.

[Young Drachma]

You are making extremely good points especially in regards to the whole "he who has the most time gets the biggest fish" aspect of things. I'll marinate on this. And no, usually OOTP amateurs will sign for MLC for some odd reason, specifically those tweeners who are in that 2-3 star level. I have some ideas...we'll get through the season and talk about it a bit more.

[Young Drachma]

Getting exports now.

[Young Drachma]

Tuesday, June 25th, 1839: Once again it is time to honor the elite players in the Second League of Offseason Play. The league office today announced the names of the players selected to play in the annual league All-Star classic.

Representing the Nationwide League:

SP Will Allen (SDO) - 11-6, 2.84 ERA
SP Bob Carter (FRI) - 11-4, 2.26 ERA
SP George Lee (LAX) - 10-3, 2.73 ERA
SP Juan Martínez (SDO) - 9-8, 2.52 ERA
SP Dave Norman (LAX) - 10-5, 2.73 ERA
SP John Robbins (PEN) - 8-5, 3.75 ERA
SP Vicente Salinas (MEM) - 8-6, 3.69 ERA
MR Edgar Donovan (PEN) - 8-6, 3.23 ERA
MR Mike Dryden (PHX) - 4-1, 1 SV, 1.95 ERA
MR Don Logan (LAX) - 9-0, 3 SV, 2.59 ERA
MR Roger Teeter (SDO) - 5-3, 5 SV, 2.68 ERA
CL Logan Becker (PEN) - 1-3, 16 SV, 3.46 ERA
C Fernando Luna (PHX) - .327/.354/.644, 24 HR, 60 RBI
C Curt Greene (PEN) - .288/.352/.525, 20 HR, 54 RBI
1B Winston Bancroft (SDO) - .350/.431/.681, 26 HR, 83 RBI
1B Larry Pratt (PEN) - .346/.442/.593, 14 HR, 52 RBI
2B Tim Montgomery (PEN) - .325/.428/.395, 1 HR, 25 RBI
3B Steve O'Cloonan (MEM) - .276/.336/.495, 18 HR, 69 RBI
3B Duane Baggett (FRI) - .344/.409/.586, 21 HR, 76 RBI
3B Alex Monroe (PHX) - .304/.399/.527, 12 HR, 45 RBI
SS Robert Moore (PHX) - .306/.361/.394, 5 HR, 34 RBI
SS David Wilson (LAX) - .307/.349/.419, 3 HR, 48 RBI
LF Ricardo Alvarado (PEN) - .299/.371/.578, 25 HR, 68 RBI
CF Jason Skinner (SDO) - .324/.405/.506, 13 HR, 42 RBI
CF Dan Green (FRI) - .328/.384/.470, 10 HR, 40 RBI
CF Ted Conley (MEM) - .349/.449/.430, 0 HR, 22 RBI
RF Kevin Smith (FRI) - .324/.380/.605, 23 HR, 81 RBI
RF Joe Arnold (SDO) - .258/.334/.515, 18 HR, 50 RBI


Participating for the Associated League:

SP Warner Armstrong (MIL) - 6-5, 2.98 ERA
SP Roy Bickford (CAR) - 6-7, 2.68 ERA
SP Juan García (TOR) - 7-2, 2 SV, 3.07 ERA
SP Aldo Lambert (TOR) - 6-5, 3.97 ERA
SP Noah McKinney (NYA) - 11-5, 3.09 ERA
SP José Moya (NYA) - 13-6, 2.91 ERA
SP Nate Mullins (NYA) - 9-8, 3.82 ERA
SP Nelson Remedios (CGO) - 7-6, 3.80 ERA
SP Juan Salsa (MIL) - 10-4, 3.08 ERA
MR Pancho Gutiérrez (MIL) - 5-2, 2 SV, 2.09 ERA
MR Brady Leach (CGO) - 4-2, 2 SV, 2.11 ERA
CL Chris Barraclough (NYA) - 4-3, 20 SV, 1.63 ERA
C Stephen Carter (NYA) - .288/.339/.429, 1 HR, 28 RBI
C Travis Sanders (TOR) - .276/.374/.424, 9 HR, 43 RBI
1B Nate Wilson (MIL) - .312/.375/.586, 22 HR, 56 RBI
1B Joe Johnson (CAR) - .294/.358/.469, 12 HR, 38 RBI
2B Bruce Skinner (CGO) - .402/.457/.655, 16 HR, 76 RBI
2B Mark Davis (TOR) - .308/.427/.558, 20 HR, 53 RBI
2B Jason Bishop (NYA) - .286/.444/.435, 9 HR, 45 RBI
3B Arthur Strickland (MIL) - .258/.324/.382, 4 HR, 41 RBI
SS Gary Horton (NYA) - .261/.373/.488, 13 HR, 50 RBI
LF Kelvin Boyd (CLB) - .364/.432/.607, 16 HR, 50 RBI
LF Spencer Miller (TOR) - .368/.439/.565, 12 HR, 52 RBI
LF Arthur Paddock (MIL) - .286/.338/.464, 11 HR, 38 RBI
LF Eddie Wallin (NYA) - .273/.380/.519, 16 HR, 49 RBI
CF Lúcio Reyes (TOR) - .342/.398/.489, 11 HR, 53 RBI
RF Justin Gorman (CLB) - .371/.427/.645, 17 HR, 67 RBI
RF Jerry Price (NYA) - .287/.353/.536, 19 HR, 60 RBI

[Young Drachma]

Here are the 1st round selections in this year's draft:

Round 1
Round 1, Pick 1 - Carolina Kings: C Armando Cuarenta
Round 1, Pick 2 - Memphis Smokers: 3B Ed Horton
Round 1, Pick 3 - Columbus Astros: CF Jeff O'Day
Round 1, Pick 4 - Pennsylvania Paladins: SP Raynaud Rocchigiani
Round 1, Pick 5 - Toronto Tecumsehs: CF Ken Griffin
Round 1, Pick 6 - Los Angeles Vulcans: SP Edward Lyons
Round 1, Pick 7 - Chicago Hornets: LF Mark Powell
Round 1, Pick 8 - New York Americans: SP Jean Gilles
Round 1, Pick 9 - Frisco Rough Riders: CL Matt Benson
Round 1, Pick 10 - Phoenix Firebirds: 1B Eugene Nelson
Round 1, Pick 11 - Milwaukee Blue Ribbons: RF Dale Turner
Round 1, Pick 12 - Toronto Tecumsehs: SP Mark Lewis

[Young Drachma]

File going up now. We'll sim the 2nd half tomorrow night.

[Young Drachma]

Phoenix (8-1) and Toronto (7-1) lead their leagues in the 2nd half

Nationwide League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
Los Angeles Vulcans	53	37	.589	-
San Diego Fathers	49	40	.551	3.5
Phoenix Firebirds	49	41	.544	4.0
Frisco Rough Riders	47	42	.528	5.5
Memphis Smokers		44	45	.494	8.5
Pennsylvania Paladins	44	47	.484	9.5

Associated League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
New York Americans	51	39	.567	-
Milwaukee Blue Ribbons	49	40	.551	1.5
Toronto Tecumsehs	47	42	.528	3.5
Chicago Hornets		43	47	.478	8.0
Columbus Astros		33	58	.363	18.5
Carolina Kings		29	60	.326	21.5

[Young Drachma]

STANDINGS AS OF AUGUST 1, 1839

Nationwide League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
Los Angeles Vulcans	70	48	.593	-
San Diego Fathers	67	50	.573	2.5
Phoenix Firebirds	67	51	.568	3.0
Frisco Rough Riders	65	52	.556	4.5
Pennsylvania Paladins	60	59	.504	10.5
Memphis Smokers		54	63	.462	15.5

Associated League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
Milwaukee Blue Ribbons	66	51	.564	-
New York Americans	64	54	.542	2.5
Toronto Tecumsehs	58	59	.496	8.0
Chicago Hornets		56	62	.475	10.5
Columbus Astros		42	77	.353	25.0
Carolina Kings		37	80	.316	29.0

Milwaukee (21-15) and Phoenix (26-11) lead their respective leagues.

[Young Drachma]

STANDINGS AS OF SEPTEMBER 1, 1839

Nationwide League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
San Diego Fathers	87	59	.596	-
Los Angeles Vulcans	87	59	.596	-
Phoenix Firebirds	84	62	.575	3.0
Frisco Rough Riders	79	67	.541	8.0
Pennsylvania Paladins	71	75	.486	16.0
Memphis Smokers		67	79	.459	20.0

Associated League Standings
			W	L	PCT	GB
Milwaukee Blue Ribbons	80	66	.548	-
New York Americans	79	67	.541	1.0
Chicago Hornets		72	74	.493	8.0
Toronto Tecumsehs	71	75	.486	9.0
Columbus Astros		55	91	.377	25.0
Carolina Kings		44	102	.301	36.0

San Diego (44-21) and Milwaukee (35-30) lead their respective leagues with less than a month to go.

[goosedennis]

Did a pretty nice job of recovering, let's see if we can make it.

[Young Drachma]

San Diego has a 2.5 lead on Phoenix on 9/9
Milwaukee has a 3.5 lead on Chicago on 9/9

Season ends on September 17th.

[Young Drachma]

OOTP is annoying because you can't see the second half standings if your 2nd half starts after the all-star break. So I don't actually know. Phoenix and San Diego are in a dead-heat. Milwaukee seems to have a bit of breathing room over Chicago.

[Young Drachma]

9/15

San Diego 9, Frisco 6 (10 innings)
Pennsylvania 1, Phoenix 0
Chicago 5, Milwaukee 1
New York 9, Toronto 5 (10 innings)

[Young Drachma]

9/16
Pennyslvania 7, Phoenix 6
Frisco 1, San Diego 0 (12 innings)
New York 9, Toronto 1
Milwaukee 1, Chicago 0