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Old 08-18-2017, 10:28 AM   #1
ThePelvicWoo
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Hey all,

Got a question for you guys about draft prospects. So there's a prospect with elite bars and combine results, high intelligence and no character red flags. However, when I interviewed him the result came back as very overrated. The combine results support the bars, so I'm not sure how much stock to put in the interview. My staff's interview bars are pretty average for what it's worth.

In the past I've just skipped over these guys to play it safe, but I'm wondering how you guys handle this. I'm picking top 5 (because I suck) and I'd rather not mess this up lol

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Old 08-18-2017, 10:40 AM   #2
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Hey all,

Got a question for you guys about draft prospects. So there's a prospect with elite bars and combine results, high intelligence and no character red flags. However, when I interviewed him the result came back as very overrated. The combine results support the bars, so I'm not sure how much stock to put in the interview. My staff's interview bars are pretty average for what it's worth.

In the past I've just skipped over these guys to play it safe, but I'm wondering how you guys handle this. I'm picking top 5 (because I suck) and I'd rather not mess this up lol

As far as I know VO means that it might be around 20-25% difference between the bars that you see now and the real value (in this case lower), probably someone else can put up better statistics referring to this numbers.

I run away from VO players as they usually crash, if you are picking Top 5, look for H2R, AS, U or VU players with great bars already... In this version you can get a real game changer with that kind of pick. Pick wise, feel free to discuss that player with me privately
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Old 08-18-2017, 11:57 AM   #3
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Ha

That's all I needed to know, as I was leaning toward going another direction anyway. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't passing up an all-time great
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Old 08-20-2017, 06:31 PM   #4
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I've never been afraid of a VO guy if they have elite bars across the board. Bars like that rarely result in anything less than a very good starter (think 65 OVR minimum). That said, if there are others who are of similar talent, don't be afraid to go with them instead. The safe pick is usually the smart pick in the top 5. A gamble can set you back significantly. Something else to consider is the % developed. a low percentage there has a bigger chance of not reaching their potential in my experience. It doesn;t mean they won't make or even exceed their potential, but similar talents with better development will have a better chance of panning out.
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Old 08-21-2017, 01:56 AM   #5
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The accuracy of the result depends largely on how good your HC interview bar is. If it is poor pretty good chance he is completely wrong. If he is excellent he is probably right. Why not post the guy up, let us take a look.
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Old 08-21-2017, 07:08 AM   #6
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I've never been afraid of a VO guy if they have elite bars across the board. Bars like that rarely result in anything less than a very good starter (think 65 OVR minimum). That said, if there are others who are of similar talent, don't be afraid to go with them instead. The safe pick is usually the smart pick in the top 5. A gamble can set you back significantly. Something else to consider is the % developed. a low percentage there has a bigger chance of not reaching their potential in my experience. It doesn;t mean they won't make or even exceed their potential, but similar talents with better development will have a better chance of panning out.

That's a good point. I didn't take into consideration the % bit, but I might from now on... I just though well if he is underdeveloped then I will have just to wait a little bit more for him to reach the full potential.
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Old 08-21-2017, 08:54 AM   #7
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Being lowly developed can sometimes result in BIG time players...theres always gems that are ranked lower and are not developed at all IE 1%-5%, who may not be developed but in my experience turn out excellent...you just gotta be aware of that
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Old 08-21-2017, 11:28 AM   #8
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Screenshot the guy so we can see and give a legit answer!
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Old 08-21-2017, 11:44 AM   #9
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Old 08-22-2017, 06:42 AM   #10
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I'm not as concerned with VO, VU H2R etc... I do look at it and I use it as a tiebreaker at times, but I have no hard and fast rule here. More often I have the most success drafting when I use the following logic:

1. Bars-I pay specific attention to the static bars
2. Combines
3. Take BPA and avoid drafting for need.
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:07 AM   #11
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Yeah my HC has about 74% interviewing ability and I was looking at two highly rated CB's in the last draft. The higher rated CB he said was VO and then next one he said VU.

Come draft time, the team before me picked the higher combine rated CB and I took the next one.

The one my HC said was VO is looking to be a MUCH better CB than the one he liked better (which I drafted).

First one is VO, second one is VU and the one I drafted. I was going to probably draft the better combine rated CB if I had a choice. (I'm Cleveland)





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Old 02-03-2018, 11:12 AM   #12
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Yeah my HC has about 74% interviewing ability and I was looking at two highly rated CB's in the last draft. The higher rated CB he said was VO and then next one he said VU.

Come draft time, the team before me picked the higher combine rated CB and I took the next one.

The one my HC said was VO is looking to be a MUCH better CB than the one he liked better (which I drafted).

First one is VO, second one is VU and the one I drafted. I was going to probably draft the better combine rated CB if I had a choice. (I'm Cleveland)






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