Why isn't margin of victory calculated?

[Cebby]

Quote: Originally Posted by lilbently

I dont like margin of victory. Say it Team A dominates team B defensively and holds them to under 50 yards of total offense and causes 6 turnovers. But the final score is 14-3. Looking at the score it doesnt look like a blowout when reality it was. Now say if Team A beats Team B 58-35. Now they won by 23 points but the game was in fact more balanced. But just basing it on margin of victory Team A's win would look better, when in reality it wasnt.

Yeah, I just don't like computers gauging margin of victory.

Georgia Tech and Iowa won by 25 and 18 respectively last weekend, but neither had anything resembling a good game as they pulled away late against terrible teams.

Computer margin of victory entices teams to run up the score just to.

At least a few voters will take real margin of victory into account. Computers can never do that.

[p_rushing]

Margin of victory needs to add points, but only based on the team you are playing. Say you are playing a top 10 team and you beat them by 20, you get .2 added. You beat a bottom 10 team by 50, you get .05 added. That way teams that play good teams get a boost from the schedule and the win. Then maybe the SEC will have to play someone out of conference.

[MassNole]

Quote: Originally Posted by J-Unit40

Somebody is still jealous of the #1 school in Florida. Your comments are quite predictable and you still live in the 1990s. Congrats. As for the topic of discussion, computing MOV in a realistic fashion would be pretty tough as some of you pointed out and would only further entice team to maximize their "style points".

I love the lack of basic comprehension skills, as everything I said is true. Oh excuse me, in 2001 they added the quality win component and didn't get rid of the MOV until 2002.

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Also in 2001, a quality win component was added. If a team beat a team which was in the top 15 in the BCS standings, a range of 1.5 to .1 points was subtracted from their total. Beating the #1 ranked team resulted in a subtraction of 1.5 point, beating the #2 team resulted in a deduction of 1.4 points, and so on. Beating the #15 ranked team would have resulted in a deduction of .1 points. A team would only be awarded for a quality win once if it beat a Top 10 team more than once (such as in the regular season and a conference championship game), and quality wins were determined using a team's current subtotal, not the ranking when the game was played. The subtotal ranks were used to determine quality win deductions to create a team's final score. The BCS continued to purge ranking systems which included margin of victory, causing the removal of the Matthews and Rothman ratings before the 2002 season. Sagarin provided a BCS-specific formula that did not include margin of victory, and the New York Times index returned in a form without margin of victory considerations. In addition, a new computer ranking, the Wesley Colley Matrix, was added.[8] The lowest ranking was dropped and the remaining six averaged. Also in 2002, the quality win component was modified such that the deduction for beating the #1 team in the BCS would be 1.0, declining by 0.1 increments until beating the 10th ranked team at 0.1. Teams on probation were not included in the BCS standings, but quality win points were given to teams who beat teams on probation as if they were ranked accordingly in the BCS.

None the less the most glaring example MOV was FSU in 2000. When the numbers were ran if FSU hadn't run up the score on Florida they wouldn't have gotten in over Miami or Washington. And yeah, it is quite clear now this system is designed to give SEC schools the benefit of a doubt in a close situation, like Florida got in 2006 and 2008 and LSU got in 2007.

[MassNole]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cebby

Yeah, I just don't like computers gauging margin of victory. Georgia Tech and Iowa won by 25 and 18 respectively last weekend, but neither had anything resembling a good game as they pulled away late against terrible teams. Computer margin of victory entices teams to run up the score just to. At least a few voters will take real margin of victory into account. Computers can never do that.

Yeah a system where teams aren't punished for close calls against awful teams clearly is better, right? Well since it benefits Florida this season it would be after their ever so impressive outings against Mississippi State and Arkansas.

At least Georgia Tech and Iowa won by margins they should win by versus inferior teams, even if they didn't put the games away until the 4th.

[lilbently]

Quote: Originally Posted by MassNole

Yeah a system where teams aren't punished for close calls against awful teams clearly is better, right? Well since it benefits Florida this season it would be after their ever so impressive outings against Mississippi State and Arkansas. At least Georgia Tech and Iowa won by margins they should win by versus inferior teams, even if they didn't put the games away until the 4th.

Iowa won by a margin they should of won by this week. If you look at Iowa's entire schedule up to this point, and margin of victory is calculated Iowa would be hurting right now and would not be the #4 team in the nation.

A system where teams have to run up the score to get more points is clearly better? No.

The score doesn't always indicate actual "margin of victory." Last weeks Iowa-IU matchup was much closer then the score indicated.

But in week 1 Boise beating Oregon 19-8 Boise had control of that game all along and Oregon never had a chance, yet with margin of victory calculated Iowa's win looks better because IU gave up in the 4th quarter.

[Cebby]

Quote: Originally Posted by MassNole

Yeah a system where teams aren't punished for close calls against awful teams clearly is better, right?

My point is that it clearly doesn't do that.

Iowa didn't take a 2 touchdown lead until a minute left in the game.

Georgia Tech didn't do it until halfway through the first quarter.

Meanwhile, a team trying to show a little class could be up by 28 the entire game and have the opposing team score twice in the last 5 minutes against scrubs to win by 14.

I don't know why you think this would hurt Florida. If it was calculated, Meyer would just run up the score more.

[MassNole]

So they would have run the score up on Arkansas, Miss State, or Tennessee? They only beat Arkansas by 3 and needed a lot of zebra help to do so, they beat Miss State by 10 and needed a bad call on a TD to have it be by that much, and Tennessee they just couldn't put away. So yeah, MOV surely would hurt Florida right now.

[Cebby]

Quote: Originally Posted by MassNole

So they would have run the score up on Arkansas, Miss State, or Tennessee?

Aside from Arkansas, yes

Even though it wouldn't matter and they'd be #1 regardless

Sorry broskie

[MassNole]

Uh huh.....

They were only up 16-13 against MISSISSIPPI STATE going into the 4th Quarter. You give Georgia Tech and Iowa crap for close calls but your pimp daddy Florida gets a pass. As it stands right now Florida only has one remotely impressive win against LSU (who themselves have done nothing to quantify how good they are) and only one chance to get another going forward. Throw in MOV to the BCS and Texas is easily the BCS #1, which they will hopefully get the chance to prove on the field. But then again they play in a division with good teams so a loss could happen.

[sycodmn]

Who the hell has Texas beat? Face it, no team stands out right now. Throwing in margin of victory is idiotic, inch or a mile, winnings winning.