PES 2016 Wishlist

[DatIsraeliGuy]

I think that with about six to eight months separating from PES 2016, it's time for a wishlist. If you have anything you want in the game to change/add, tell us here!
If anything, I'd like to start with Master League, since it hasn't been the major project this year with MyClub, I think KONAMI needs to work on the mode a lot.

So first of all, the serie A and B has to be fully licensed, along with some new leagues, such as The Belgian league and the portugese league
I would love seeing some presentation change, such as scoreboards
And for god's sake, new commentary!
I'm missing the big stadiums, like the camp nou and the bernabeu, so maybe having the national teams' stadiums licensed
And finally, better edit mode! With no option files for current gen, KONAMI has to give us the ability to make something, like the free drawer! And why not make a community sharing thing, like NBA 2k, madden and every other sports game

Now it's your turn to share your wishlist

[TerryP]

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Besides everything you mentioned, proper foul calls would be fantastic. Fouls were patched last year, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen for 2015.

[TexasFan2005]

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There are a lot of issues that need to be fixed in terms of gameplay, but I won't even bother with those.

Presentation

The big elephant in the room for PES has always been presentation. The music is horrific (imo), the menus are bland, the score/replay bugs are generic, etc... They need a major overhaul in this department.

In terms of in-game presentation, there should never be a "pause" in the action. Whenever there's a corner kick, goal kick, or a replay is about to trigger, the game stops for a second, then the next scene loads. I always thought it was a ps3/360 problem, but this shouldn't exist on the current gen hardware. The games need to be as fluid as possible, just like a TV presentation.

Speaking of fluidity, the game clock should never stop when the ball is dead. This is one thing FIFA got right this year; whenever the ball is out of play in FIFA, the clock keeps ticking but in "real seconds," not the fast-paced simulated seconds. PES needs to implement this for 2016.

Stadiums

This was my biggest gripe this year. The fact that they didn't include the big ones like Camp Nou, Bernabeu, Stadio Olimpico, etc is one thing, but if licensing is an issue, then they should have at least implemented a lot more generic stadiums. I just can't play an EPL season with any other team but Man U and feel comfortable. I miss the ps2 days where they had Stamford Bridge, Highbury, Anfield, Artemio Franchi, Ennio Tardini, Delle Alpi, Velodrome, Parc des Princes, Stade Louis, etc... Those master league days are missed

Commentary

Jon Champion sounds terrible in this game, always has since he debuted in PES back in 08. Peter Brackley and Trevor Brooking please!

Atmosphere

They're on the right track here, especially if you compare it to a few years ago. The chants are sounding better, but more is better. Scoring a goal in Italy or England should sound a lot different than scoring a goal in Spain. Also, they should amp up the noise for away fans, and section them off with empty seats and extra stewards, especially for Champions League.

[half-fast]

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I like your ideas, TexasFan2005. I agree with all of them(especially the lack of stadiums kills the presentation), but for me the commentary is made worse by Jim Beglin. His comments are starting to kill me, and a few of his lines/words sound like he's never read them before.

On top of the ideas mentioned here, I have a few to add, some are underlying improvements that would aid already requested items.

Better ball contact

Sometimes it's annoying when you replay that goal the cpu scored on you that was so good you couldn't get mad at it, just to find the ball didnt make contact with the players head or foot. This has killed immersion for me on a number of instances.

Player contact and animation

Fifa recently took a huge step forward in this, and I think it's imperative that PES does for PES 16. Player fouls in Fifa can look so amazing. The fouls in PES can also look good, but often look too robotic or faked. Players' limbs don't break, and there just isn't enough animations for a proper fall in PES.

Animations

I know I've mentioned it in another post somewhere. PES needs more animations. Sometimes players look foolish because they have no "in-between" animation. Goalies often look ridiculous when waiting to catch a ball. More animations, especially situational animations would lead to more realistic looking gameplay on all fronts.

Skill moves

Another area where Fifa generally wins. Skill moves in PES are not fun to control and pull off. There needs to be a few more of them as well. I think they need to tweak this from the ground up.

Master League

I haven't been active in PES these last few years, but Master League doesn't quite feel like what it used to. I would love an option to play in a Master League with all fictional players. I have not seen this option.

[LingeringRegime]

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Realistic fouls like it was for post-patch PES 2014.

Deeper Master League.

"Remove The Rails" with the players movement.

Defensive Cursor Improvement. Sometimes when switching players, especially the last defensive line the cursor switches to the player that is further away from the ball. In that vein, have an option similar to FIFA in terms of cursor switching, "Air Balls" I think it is called.

More cut scenes of your manager that you create. Instead of having a generic looking bloke on the sideline. I want to see the person I created as manager roaming the sideline during the game. I know that this is possible, it was there for PES 2013.

[GSW]

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African Teams

Better menu system in Master League/My Club

Option Files

Revamp of cutscenes/special events(when players are progressing)...they look pretty dated.

Better tackling system

Fully customizable camera

Strafe

full manual option so you dont have to hold L trigger

[LingeringRegime]

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African Teams

Better menu system in Master League/My Club

Option Files

Revamp of cutscenes/special events(when players are progressing)...they look pretty dated.

Better tackling system

Fully customizable camera

Strafe

full manual option so you dont have to hold L trigger

You can have full manual now, you have to go into the user settings (under system settings) and set to manual for shooting, and then turn down assist for passing to 0 bars.

[TemplateR]

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I have a Wishlists only for the PC-Version:

No Hybrid Version like 2015er --> Plz a full port of XOne or PS4.
SteamOS/Linux Support ---> Yes, bring the game to Linux Community !!!
Vulcan and DirectX12 Support ---> Why not?



If the PC Version of PES 2016 won´t be a hybrid-version again, then I will buy it. If it will be a Hybrid-Version again, I´ll skip it again. Thats simple.

[KG]

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Player contact and animation

Fifa recently took a huge step forward in this, and I think it's imperative that PES does for PES 16. Player fouls in Fifa can look so amazing. The fouls in PES can also look good, but often look too robotic or faked. Players' limbs don't break, and there just isn't enough animations for a proper fall in PES.



Skill moves

Another area where Fifa generally wins. Skill moves in PES are not fun to control and pull off. There needs to be a few more of them as well. I think they need to tweak this from the ground up.

IDK HF, I feel like player contact is done SO MUCH better in PES than it is in FIFA. PES players have weight which makes the actual contact feel more life-like. Unfortunately, the referee logic isn't tuned with the new engine like it was for 2014. One improvement that really jumps out to me in this area is contact after shots, you can get away some vicious follow-throughs and rarely a call. They could also let you out of the "shield" animation a little bit quicker.

I hate the skill moves in FIFA. Where PES' are a tad too slow FIFA's seem to be in 1.5X speed and the context in which the CPU uses them is rarely realistic. Spin-moves and roulettes in open space, ugh.

African Teams


Better tackling system

Strafe

I prefer PES' tackle system as well for the simple fact that it's possible to actually put in a tackle on the CPU. Have you ever tried to slide tackle the CPU in FIFA 15? Good luck even getting close enough to because player agility is super boosted. One thing I hate in PES 2015 though is the delay after you are tackled where the ball seems to be on rails for the tackler.

There's a strafe button. I believe it's L2/LT (I'm not sure, I've been player FIFA BAL the last few days so my controls have been thrown off).



Don't get me wrong though guys, I agree with A LOT of what you're saying . Menu's, option files, keeper animations, master league depth, master league/BAL sim scores, fouls, presentation, "on-rails", stadiums, etc... all need work and tbh, were all noticeably deficient from Day 1.

[Ermolli]

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I sent my wishlist in several areas in the different PES surveys and I forgot to back up most of what I posted there but I found my Master League thoughts.

Master League Wishlist

• Improved menus (aesthetically), the one in PES 2015 is really dull.
• More and more detailed news with some sort of resemblance to sport websites or social media (Facebook, Twitter).
• Ability to go from day to day.
• Add team training and ore depth in individual training.
• Ability to create and save several formations.
• Bring back the variety of player development from PES 5; Early Peak, Early/Lasting, Standard, Standard/Lasting, Late peak, Late/Lasting.
• Make transfers more realistic (example: Negredo to Stoke).
• Remove smiley faces from negotiation, should be a discussion with the player’s agent or player himself.
• Players should have different (and dynamic) ambitions which would influence signings; play for a top team, money, squad opportunities in first team, squad talent, club’s objectives.
• Negotiations should be with team first, then player.
• Difficulty levels to the mode.
• Ability to scout young players and buy them into the club’s Youth Team.
• Each clubs should have their own Youth Team and their players’ quality and diversity should be different between clubs.
• Better and more realistic cutscenes (example: press conference with manager about new signed player).
• Have more time and ability to go back and forth with player negotiations before the beginning of the season.
• Realistic transfer fees.
• Ability to get fired (CPU managers too or retire).
• Play team practices.
• Being able to talk to players individually and to the entire squad.
• Players’ morale and satisfaction in club.

[KG]

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Great list Ermolli!

[DatIsraeliGuy]

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Loving to see how this thread's going, and i have some notes on the things said here:

Option files:
There's nothing KONAMI can do about it, it's Sony and Microsoft, but KONAMI could have an in game sharing system like in madden, 2k, etc, but that means they need a whole lot better edit mode, which they do...

Master League:
A lot of the things said are 100% true, and like I said in many more places, I think KONAMI will put more attention to ML in PES 2016, because this year they had a brand new mode, MyClub, which took probably most of their time.

Gameplay:
Also mostly agreed with the ideas, though some of people's opinions really surprised me, especially the tackling system and the collision system, which, for me, are vastly superior than fifa's.

Presentation:
Everything said is true for me, with stadiums, KONAMI needs to either implement a real stadium creator, or have more stadiums licensed. Commentary needs to be revamped and overhauled, with new commentators or way better lines, and KONAMI, along with almost every sports game company, needs to learn from 2k, because I've only heard once or twice the same line after about 4 months.

I also wanted to tell you about a wishlist I saw on YouTube by the true brits, that had a lot of great ideas!

[Ermolli]

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A few thoughts that came through my mind now:

- One of the top priorities in my opinion should be to remove the regional barriers this game has, it shouldn’t have one when no other sports game has it. I find it really annoying that I can’t play against people from other parts of the world because I have an American copy of the game and even more when I couldn’t use European option files because they’re region locked.
- STOP PUTTING TEAM AND PLAYER NAMES IN CAPS, extremely stupid when the rest of the game isn’t like that.
- Better reffering and more fouls, so many obvious ones that aren’t called.
- The commentary needs a huge overhaul, it’s simply awful and the worst in sports gaming. No link between phrases, lots of dead air, no emotion, tone differences between phrases that sound odd, little variety, no flow, delay between action and commentary and one of the things I hate the most is the lack of goooooooooool from LatinAmerican commentators which is part of the culture of this region. Crowds also need to be a lot better.
- Presentation needs to be revamped. Pregame is ok I guess but ingame presentation needs a huge improvement, FIFA 15 does is superbly.
- The ability of combining kits, shorts and socks like PES 5 had, would be really useful specially to avoid similarity between players and keepers.
- Roster sharing, if it can be multiplatform it’d be better. The ability to download entire option files or just teams, players or faces individually from other users and import them to their own option files; and please don’t overwrite edited teams with new patches.
- Menus still need to be better, the main menu would be the only one I’d say it’s good.

I also wanted to tell you about a wishlist I saw on YouTube by the true brits, that had a lot of great ideas!

Is this the video?
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If so, yes he has good point although I don't find FIFA's career mode that good.

[DatIsraeliGuy]

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Is this the video?
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If so, yes he has good point although I don't find FIFA's career mode that good.

Yeah this one

[Matt10]

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As a diehard PES fan, three things kept me from keeping PES 15.

1. Defensive Pressure throughout the pitch - there is way too much space, way...way..way...way too much space. I don't understand how people play this, knowing that they can freely pass to their center forward, and have ages to hold onto the ball.

2. Very simply, stop the "clean" passing. Meaning the ball rolls like it is on the smoothest carpet ever. This cannot happen in every match, not even in every stadium - especially as the game goes on...metal cleats dig into the turf for a reason - and they cause surfaces to become jagged. Please go back to the PES of old (not PES 6) like PES 4 and PES 3 where it actually made a difference in physics.

3. Tiki taka passing. This is due to the lack of pressure through the pitch, but it deserves its own number. There is absolutely no way IRL that teams can complete all these passes from back to front, with success. There is a reason you see players IRL stop the ball and have to side step and literally walk with the ball at times, it's because they are trying to find a pass. That's all it is.

It's the simple things that KONAMI needs to focus on. I'm not going to be cliche and say go all the way back to the PES of old - but there are certain SIMPLE gameplay values that can be a make or break PES 16.