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  • FixEverything2k
    Pro
    • May 2016
    • 577

    #1

    Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

    *speaking from HOF pov*

    Does the CPU react to what you actually do on the court, or to the buttons you press?

    IMO
    For years the cpu has very obviously reacted to inputs instead of movement. That is why they hardly ever react to pumpfakes and rarely react to jabsteps and crossovers.

    These 2k19 screenshots are cool and lifelike but do they play lifelike?

    What is the reason the AI reacts to inputs?
    Can they use their field of view instead of watching my controller? If so how? If not why not?

    Feel free to post the cpu reacting or not reacting to your inputs to build a case.
    ... But hey VC sale!!
  • El_Poopador
    MVP
    • Oct 2013
    • 2624

    #2
    Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

    Likely no change on this front. This has been one of my biggest issues for years.

    I'm sure it's not an easy thing to program, and it's not just 2k that suffers from it, but I feel that 2k is one of the most noticeable offenders.


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    • olajuwon34
      Pro
      • Aug 2017
      • 681

      #3
      Re: Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

      I love when a defender is standing near the rim, and is almost turned the other way from you, but its like he has eyes on the back of his head, and the millisecond you leave to put up the shot, he's already jumping. Its unrealistic, the A.I wont even bend they're knees at some of the most convincing fakes iv ever seen, but yet leave the ground to contest the shot in 0.5 of a second, maybe even quicker.

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      • Rockie_Fresh88
        Lockdown Defender
        • Oct 2011
        • 9621

        #4
        Re: Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

        I remember 2k saying that if a defender had his back turned he couldn’t steal the pass or something along those lines .

        That was not my experience in 2k18.
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        • olajuwon34
          Pro
          • Aug 2017
          • 681

          #5
          Re: Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

          Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
          I remember 2k saying that if a defender had his back turned he couldn’t steal the pass or something along those lines .

          That was not my experience in 2k18.
          Yes i remember them saying something like that, its untrue.

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          • FixEverything2k
            Pro
            • May 2016
            • 577

            #6
            Re: Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

            Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
            I remember 2k saying that if a defender had his back turned he couldn’t steal the pass or something along those lines .

            That was not my experience in 2k18.

            Facts

            I think I have saved videos of Shaq and Kevin Duckworth Becoming Westbrook for a second to intercept a pass they couldn't have known was coming without Elite level Spidey Senses...

            Will have to check when I get back
            ... But hey VC sale!!

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            • ksuttonjr76
              All Star
              • Nov 2004
              • 8662

              #7
              Re: Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

              It's always been my suspicion that the games reacts to my button presses particularly my icon passing. I just can't never prove or disprove it....
              Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 08-14-2018, 06:53 PM.

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              • howardphillips214
                MVP
                • Jan 2018
                • 1928

                #8
                Re: Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

                Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                It's always been suspicion that the games reacts to my button presses particularly my icon passing. I just can't never prove or disprove it....
                There are times when the cpu will stonewall you with the worst defender and box you out as soon as you pass. They don't even have to wait for your teammate to brick, you're already out of the play.

                I had to put the game down earlier when Mo Harkless hit 3 3s in a row and was bodying my character up for multiple possessions.

                Cpu can't just turn defense up to 11 when ever it wants otherwise you just feel cheated.

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                • FixEverything2k
                  Pro
                  • May 2016
                  • 577

                  #9
                  Re: Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

                  Originally posted by howardphillips214
                  There are times when the cpu will stonewall you with the worst defender and box you out as soon as you pass. They don't even have to wait for your teammate to brick, you're already out of the play.

                  I had to put the game down earlier when Mo Harkless hit 3 3s in a row and was bodying my character up for multiple possessions.

                  Cpu can't just turn defense up to 11 when ever it wants otherwise you just feel cheated.
                  Hopefully no one chalks this up to anticipation because it simply isn't.

                  Stonewalling is real. Evident when chaining moves and they're already standing where your second move ends before you've really even started your first.

                  I think cpu randomly turning off/on Kawhi mode is what leads to people thinking comeback code is in the game... It's really noticeable when CPU is making a late run in a close game and all of a sudden Gerald Green is clamping Durant
                  ... But hey VC sale!!

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                  • The 24th Letter
                    ERA
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 39373

                    #10
                    Re: Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

                    Passing is where this is most obvious. The eyes in the back of the head issue is definitely still there.

                    As far as 'stonewalling' though, it's entirely based on the fact that the body sensitivity slider was hiked up on Hall of Fame during the year to off set the fact you could essentially blow by anyone before that.....even so, you can still completely leave guys with crossovers or direct drives at times. 2K17 had a 'sticky defense' issue, 2K18 absolutely does not...probably too far at the other end of the spectrum.







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                    Last edited by The 24th Letter; 08-13-2018, 10:49 PM.

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                    • SonicMage
                      NBA Ratings Wizard
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 3544

                      #11
                      Re: Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

                      Definitely not based on input. I mostly watch CPU CPU games and I see the same issues you guys see.
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                      • hesko
                        Pro
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 536

                        #12
                        Re: Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

                        No. the're going to stand there, let you finish, and have you do some bs you didn't even input into the controller. you'll get a turnover, defensive breakdown, allow score off turnover, and your "team mate" who might be in a position to defend will james harden the situation.

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                        • Vic_Clancy
                          Rookie
                          • Aug 2018
                          • 223

                          #13
                          Re: Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

                          The passing anticipation is terrible. Sometimes it seems like they're moving before you even hit pass.

                          They're times when my teammate is so wide open up court that I have to pass it, even knowing this issue. Picked 95% of the time by a defender turning into Ed Reed and coming off his man as soon as my finger hover over the pass button.
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                          • El_Poopador
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2013
                            • 2624

                            #14
                            Re: Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

                            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                            Passing is where this is most obvious. The eyes in the back of the head issue is definitely still there.

                            As far as 'stonewalling' though, it's entirely based on the fact that the body sensitivity slider was hiked up on Hall of Fame during the year to off set the fact you could essentially blow by anyone before that.....even so, you can still completely leave guys with crossovers or direct drives at times. 2K17 had a 'sticky defense' issue, 2K18 absolutely does not...probably too far at the other end of the spectrum.
                            I can say that this was not my experience. Even with the body sensitivity slider under 10, I still get stonewalled by bad defenders very often. It happens very often, even with obvious mismatches against a slow, lumbering center.

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                            • WTF
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 20274

                              #15
                              Re: Will 2ks CPU react to my movement or my controller input?

                              I had one instance last night that was overly frustrating. I had a fast break with Wiggins during one of the CPU's super spurts, it was me vs Myles turner who was around the restricted area. I did a spin layup, left him cold in his stance, only to rise up for the layup, and he warp through me, jumping at the same time as I did, and block the shot, while nailing me in the head (the game actually picked up the collision of his arm w my head), yet no call, blocked shot morphing through my guy, only after jumping simultaneously with me and not "looking" at me to block the shot, if any of this makes sense.

                              It's just overly frustrating during those circumstances, because the game "can" play a good game of basketball until it relies on junk like that. They started off the game up 28-11, and I was fine w/ losing. I can lose, as long as it's legit. I was missing shots, they were playing tough/gritty defense, and I wasn't hitting shots. I started changing things up, running different plays, and attacking mistmatches, and closed the lead.

                              Then that's when the "junk" started. Players warping, players reacting to the controls in a 1:1 method. Like mentioned earlier, icon passing. As soon as I tapped the corresponding button, the defender was already reacting, etc. Those things, gotta go.
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