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Old 11-07-2009, 01:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: EA's misunderstanding of the DT's in a depth chart

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Defensive Tackles are useless in Madden, sometime and I mean sometimes I can get off a tackle and stuff someone running the ball. We need real blocking and DL
There's never any push whether it's the DT getting pushed back by the olineman, or the DT pushing the Olineman into the backfield. DT's as well as Olineman are irrelevant in Madden 10.
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Old 11-07-2009, 02:34 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: EA's misunderstanding of the DT's in a depth chart

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That makes sense ... but that's not usually the case. Most NFL teams have their weaker but better pass rusher lining up between the C and the RG (under tackle) while their nose tackles are lining up between the C and the LG (nose tackle).
I agree with this. So does Ross Tucker.

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Without question the most difficult of the interior line positions, right guards are most likely to be left one-on-one with an elite inside rusher. The predominance of teams to slide their center to the left to protect the quarterback's blind side creates a greater value for the right guard position.
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All of these players are considered upper echelon and likely grade out among the highest linemen on their respective teams. Part of that is because they are good players, but a lot of it has to do with the fact they are much more likely to receive help from the center and thus less likely to create a negative play. The formula is simple: Less one-on-ones against defensive linemen means less chances to give up a sack or pressure.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ankings/1.html

Generally your two gap DT lines up against the LG, and your pass rusher is on the RG. It doesn't really matter as far as the game goes, but I tend to set my depth chart based on the insight I gained from this article among others.
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Old 11-07-2009, 04:05 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: EA's misunderstanding of the DT's in a depth chart

I am a firm believer that there is actually very little football logic used in the programming of defensive front seven. Linebackers don't scrape to the ball, and no one maintains any sense of gap control defense.

So I haven't tested what ur talking about in your original post but it wouldn't surprise me. There are four distinct positions on the DL. Why madden devs don't incorporate into the game is a mystery.
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Old 11-07-2009, 05:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I agree the OP other than the fact that there is no strong and weak side in Madden so it doesn't really matter. Teams that use a true NT will have him on the center and then the UT on the strong side of the formation.

Then many teams will have strong and weak DEs: better pass rusher on the weak side.

Until Madden recognizes strong and weak side it pretty much won't matter.
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Old 11-07-2009, 06:59 PM   #15 (permalink)
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ok so the result its to put ur #1 DT at #2.

My understanding is that the NT lines up next to the RE.

check the link out its quiet clear here!!!

http://football.calsci.com/DefensiveLine.html
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Re: EA's misunderstanding of the DT's in a depth chart

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Madden needs to get rid of their archaic position system as a whole.

WR1, WR2, RB1, ROLB, LOLB ... none of these positions actually exist!

We need positions based off of the specific offense, we need D-Line rotations, LB rotations, etc.

And we've needed it for a long time.
Agreed. Madden seems to do it in the least logical way you can think of.
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Agreed. Madden seems to do it in the least logical way you can think of.
Players should be playing depending on there form and not just there ratings!!!
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ok so the result its to put ur #1 DT at #2.

My understanding is that the NT lines up next to the RE.

check the link out its quiet clear here!!!

http://football.calsci.com/DefensiveLine.html
That diagram of the 4-3 in the link only shows the DLine positions with the strength to one side of the formation. Normally the UT will move to the TE side. He's not just always next to the RE.

Some schemes don't use a true NT and they will just have LDT and RDT.
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That diagram of the 4-3 in the link only shows the DLine positions with the strength to one side of the formation. Normally the UT will move to the TE side. He's not just always next to the RE.

Some schemes don't use a true NT and they will just have LDT and RDT.
EH!!! I said the NT lines up next to the RE not the UT!!!
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Old 11-07-2009, 09:36 PM   #20 (permalink)
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EH!!! I said the NT lines up next to the RE not the UT!!!
Either way, the UT or the NT doesn't ALWAYS line up next to the RE. It always switches depending on the strength of the formation.

You could say that the NT always lines up next to
the weak side DE.

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