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Madden ratings and Simulation football.
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05-26-2017, 01:49 AM | #25 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Re: Madden ratings and Simulation football.
As for the draft, the only important trait permentantly hidden until the draft is development. But that isn't the only place where Maddens system misses on the draft. There are sometimes players who produce at a very high level early on but then dramatically regress. No one ever sees the regression coming. For example, Kaepernick, who became extremely tentative and indecisive in 2014 immediately after a horrid performance against the Cardinals. He remained in the massive funk for two seasons. (Note: contrary to popular belief it wasn't teams "figuring out the read option" that caused his decline. It was a plummeting of confidence in what his eyes were telling him. The Cardinals jumped his passes because Jim Tomsula's offensive staff were previously unemployed, bottom of the barrel castoffs and had too predictable a scheme, and from that point on until 2016 Kaepernick played scared). |
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05-26-2017, 02:03 AM | #26 |
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Re: Madden ratings and Simulation football.
Yeah, we need to not have everyone 99 overall at all
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05-28-2017, 02:05 PM | #27 |
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It's cool when usability and realism collide. It happens a lot more than anyone thinks, because everyone tends to go "that's too complex."
A system that translates ratings into realistic information would actually be more usable for the casual and whatnot because it would boil everything down to easy-to-digest chunks. For instance, you might translate all of the QB ratings into a series of categories: Size-Speed, Pocket Presence, Short Passing, Long Passing, and Vision. Each of these categories is an amalgamation of several of the core ratings, but it is not a weighted average like the current OVR rating is. Instead, it first evaluates against a baseline by asking yes or no questions for each rating. For instance, a player with a THP of less than 75 would immediately get the worst possible grade in deep passing and no other rating need be evaluated. It doesn't matter if he has 99 DAC because he can't get the ball that far quickly enough for that accuracy to be of any use. The design of these yes/no questions and the follow up checks to determine a final grade would be a trial and error design process, but it wouldn't be terribly difficult. One could easily figure it out in excel in a couple of afternoons. I envision a ratings screen for a player that shows 4 sections; evaluation from each level of coach (position coach, coordinator, head coach) and measurables (combine numbers). The combine numbers would be static once a player's combine is finished, but there would be notes from the coaches ("Has lost a step with age," "That knee injury really hurt his vertical," "His time with the training staff has really improved his upper body strength.") Above that, across a season the player receives performance grades (similar to FIFA's). The above ratings existing in 4 stages, based on how much scouting has been done (we can consider that a player in the league is being constantly scouted, and so once he's with a team for a time, the only variable will be the coach's ability to evaluate). So, for instance, we you begin scouting everyone in the class with have only 1 bit of information; his strongest trait. The evaluation will simply say, "has a huge arm," or "fantastic mobility." You have that, just that, his strongest trait, and you don't even know *how* strong it is. Getting to stage 2, you get the 2 strongest and 2 weakest. Same deal, no precision, just what areas of his game are good, and what are bad. Stage 3 gives you all of the traits, and a bit more information; +, 0, -. + means he's in the top 25% of prospects in an area, 0 means middle 50%, - bottom 25%. These are not exact, there are variables that mean someone might be displayed as one category off (in owner mode, I'd use a scouting department budget to determine how often this fuzzy logic is applied). Stage 4 is letter grades or the 0.0-5.0 scale or the 9 point scale or the 7 point scale, honestly, you could let the user decide because it's all a calculation anyways and can be converted in any way you want. Again, fuzzy logic applies here based on the "ability" of your scouts. (AN ASIDE: My owner mode idea was to have a series of departments to which the owner allocates funds for the season. Marketing to fill the stadium, PR to minimize the damage of disappointing seasons or perceived bad signings/hires, College Personnel to evaluate for the draft, Pro Personnel to evaluate NFL talent, Coaching to build your staff, Personnel Relations to handle contract negotiations and signings. This budget would dictate just how good your college scouts are, and thus, how often they miss on a given evaluation). Anyways, this is a high level look at it. I always want to put this stuff together in excel just to show off how it'd work, but it's hard to actually do design projects now that I don't actually get paid for it... but I also like putting ideas out there and hoping maybe the team get's wind of it and thinks of something along the lines.
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05-29-2017, 05:48 AM | #28 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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For those who want the classical Madden rating system, they could just keep that as is for COACH mode. And of course, GM Mode would have all the features from Coach mode. It'd just be a more in depth mode for those who have the time and inclination to have a GM simulation, with all the scouting uncertainty that goes with it.
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05-29-2017, 10:06 AM | #29 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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http://www.operationsports.com/forum...tory-fans.html Essentially separate the greats from the good and the good from the bad by expanding the rating system so a majority of the player ratings don't run from 70-90 overall. |
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05-29-2017, 10:26 AM | #30 |
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I don't think ratings should go away, just the overall rating. People pay way to much attention to the overall rating and they miss out on some really good players because of it. That would make the preseason more important then ever.
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