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Old 06-15-2017, 01:50 PM   #145
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My whole thing with the lineplay and QB pocket play for that matter is that...and this is just my personal opinion...it's not a matter of the Madden team not being able to make it more realisticm but that they WON'T make it more realistic.

From Madden 2001 we've essentially been trained to take contol over the QB manually in Madden opposed to using the auto-drop in 2K. It's terribly hard to retrain that in Madden thus the neutering of speed rushers and realistic pockets.
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Old 06-15-2017, 01:57 PM   #146
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My whole thing with the lineplay and QB pocket play for that matter is that...and this is just my personal opinion...it's not a matter of the Madden team not being able to make it more realisticm but that they WON'T make it more realistic.

From Madden 2001 we've essentially been trained to take contol over the QB manually in Madden opposed to using the auto-drop in 2K. It's terribly hard to retrain that in Madden thus the neutering of speed rushers and realistic pockets.
I'm kind of not following. Madden does have auto-dop backs. I believe the animation can be broken at any time giving the player more freedom.

With the sim mode, I can see the pocket being more relevant than the arcade/comp modes. User control is a huge thing with EA sports games. Long animations playing out take away from user control but add to realism. It's a tough balance.

With that said, I would like to see a better pocket as well.

Edit: I think we all just want more footage of 18. I've heard they've made big improvements to lineplay. So I'm waiting until vids become available to make any judgement. I'll defend this years game until then

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Old 06-15-2017, 02:02 PM   #147
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It definitely won't be put to rest this year. Simfball critic already eluded to them wanting to improve player movement and animations in the future, meaning it hasn't gotten there yet. Who knows if it will ever get there, but I hope and pray it can surpass allpro/2k some day.



Graphically of course Madden has lapped 2k....


Even as someone who enjoys the Madden product these days, I'm not optimistic that the player movement we dream of is on their radar.

I don't think they have designs of making player movement super realistic. I think they'll improve upon what's there, which sounds like the case for M18; but beyond that, I can't see radical change coming on that front. I mean, realistic locomotion/player movement has been requested around these parts going back to M10's development. And EIGHT iterations later, it's still not where the sim fan wants it to be.

And at this point, I wonder if there's even a large enough outcry from their various audiences to warrant making it a priority. I don't roam the forums as I used to so maybe I'm off base. I just feel like you see more complaints player interaction, CFM, etc than you do player movement.






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I'm kind of not following. Madden does have auto-dop backs. I believe the animation can be broken at any time giving the player more freedom.

With the sim mode, I can see the pocket being more relevant than the arcade/comp modes. User control is a huge thing with EA sports games. Long animations playing out take away from user control but add to realism. It's a tough balance.

With that said, I would like to see a better pocket as well.

Edit: I think we all just want more footage of 18. I've heard they've made big improvements to lineplay. So I'm waiting until vids become available to make any judgement. I'll defend this years game until then
I think this control thing is overblown in Madden and Live games, I've played them I don't feel like I have all this control alot of people talk about in those games. Its just an excuse for their poor stiff player movement.

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i have auto dropback and a pocket as i play coach mode
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I think this control thing is overblown in Madden and Live games, I've played them I don't feel like I have all this control alot of people talk about in those games. Its just an excuse for their poor stiff player movement.

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Maybe you're right. I feel like it would actually be pretty easy to have a long animation play out. In NHL if you are at full speed its very hard to turn (as it should be on ice). Wouldn't surprise me though if players were annoyed by that saying "why isn't my player turning quick enough". Competitive guys want control.

Let's see how corner backs react to things like hitch and goes and comeback routes in 18. From E3 impressions, people have said that locomotion has been worked on.

I'm not saying madden is going to magically be fixed but everyone seems to be jumping to conclusions before we see anything worthy of giving us an idea of what gameplay will look like. I'm hopeful because of the new engine.
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Maybe you're right. I feel like it would actually be pretty easy to have a long animation play out. In NHL if you are at full speed its very hard to turn (as it should be on ice). Wouldn't surprise me though if players were annoyed by that saying "why isn't my player turning quick enough". Competitive guys want control.

Let's see how corner backs react to things like hitch and goes and comeback routes in 18. From E3 impressions, people have said that locomotion has been worked on.

I'm not saying madden is going to magically be fixed but everyone seems to be jumping to conclusions before we see anything worthy of giving us an idea of what gameplay will look like. I'm hopeful because of the new engine.
This goes waaaayy back to the NFL 2k series. 2k and Visual Concepts decided to go with more realistic animations and less player control and madden and EA decided for more player control and less realistic animations (and foot planting, acceleration and deceleration).
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I'm kind of not following. Madden does have auto-dop backs. I believe the animation can be broken at any time giving the player more freedom.

With the sim mode, I can see the pocket being more relevant than the arcade/comp modes. User control is a huge thing with EA sports games. Long animations playing out take away from user control but add to realism. It's a tough balance.

With that said, I would like to see a better pocket as well.

Edit: I think we all just want more footage of 18. I've heard they've made big improvements to lineplay. So I'm waiting until vids become available to make any judgement. I'll defend this years game until then


I think the difference is there never really has been a penalty for immediately taking control the qb in madden and dropping them back an extra 5 yards or whatever. With the instant release defenders are given when the do eventually beat the blocker, it's almost necessary:

In the other game, doing that meant the des had a direct path to you. You learned to step up or move around to keep blockers between you and the defense quickly or took a lot of sacks.
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