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  • buddy321813
    Banned
    • Oct 2007
    • 670

    #1

    Trade Logic Broken?

    Really? Coefield and a 3rd for the 2nd overall pick?... This added on top of another video with a wide receiver and tight end being taken 1st and 2nd overall. These things really worry me about the game.

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    Last edited by buddy321813; 08-24-2012, 01:06 AM.
  • pinksheets
    Rookie
    • Aug 2011
    • 212

    #2
    Re: Trade Logic Broken?

    Yeah, that's awful. Inexcusably so.

    A WR going #1 isn't totally out of whack necessarily, but a TE going #2 is awful, too.

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    • Humdinger80
      Rookie
      • Aug 2012
      • 175

      #3
      Re: Trade Logic Broken?

      It's cool with me, as far as I can tell it seems rare enough occurrence that it wont break the immersion factor. And if it does you can always make a save before the draft and just keep reloading it until you get a 1st round you can deal with. =)

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      • buddy321813
        Banned
        • Oct 2007
        • 670

        #4
        Re: Trade Logic Broken?

        Originally posted by Humdinger80
        It's cool with me, as far as I can tell it seems rare enough occurrence that it wont break the immersion factor. And if it does you can always make a save before the draft and just keep reloading it until you get a 1st round you can deal with. =)
        Coefield and a 3rd round pick next year for the 2nd overall pick? That kills any immersion factor IMO. He is 85 and 29 years old, I don't see any logical reason that would be an acceptable trade.
        Don't get me wrong I can't wait for this game and I know I am going to love it, but I just want at least some logic behind trading.
        Last edited by buddy321813; 08-24-2012, 01:33 AM.

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        • goh
          Banned
          • Aug 2003
          • 20755

          #5
          Re: Trade Logic Broken?

          Better than the opposite way it was.

          "Oh we need a HB rated 80+ for this."
          "Here's a 83 rated HB."
          "No."

          Here's a counter offer:

          HB + your star 90+ rated player.

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          • buddy321813
            Banned
            • Oct 2007
            • 670

            #6
            Re: Trade Logic Broken?

            Originally posted by goh
            Better than the opposite way it was.

            "Oh we need a HB rated 80+ for this."
            "Here's a 83 rated HB."
            "No."

            Here's a counter offer:

            HB + your star 90+ rated player.
            It's really not any better because that is very unrealistic. An aging Defensive tackle that is only mid 80's and a 3rd pick next year and they get a 2 overall pick? That doesn't seem any better IMO.

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            • btemp
              Rookie
              • Mar 2010
              • 160

              #7
              Re: Trade Logic Broken?

              Originally posted by buddy321813
              Coefield and a 3rd round pick next year for the 2nd overall pick? That kills any immersion factor IMO. He is 85 and 29 years old, I don't see any logical reason that would be an acceptable trade.
              Don't get me wrong I can't wait for this game and I know I am going to love it, but I just want at least some logic behind trading.
              Could be a problem. That's not the worst trade in the world, could be more of an anomaly. Hard to say without seeing more trades.

              EDIT: I just realized that was the 2nd OVERALL pick. That is horrible! If, on average, future picks are valued a round down then they traded Barry Coefield and a 4th round pick for the 2nd overall pick. Ugh!!!
              Last edited by btemp; 08-24-2012, 02:05 AM.

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              • buddy321813
                Banned
                • Oct 2007
                • 670

                #8
                Re: Trade Logic Broken?

                Originally posted by btemp
                Could be a problem. That's not the worst trade in the world, could be more of an anomaly. Hard to say without seeing more trades.
                I really hope so because I am so stoked for this game it's crazy. This does worry me, but trust me either way I will be enjoying this game. I just think this was worthy of being brought up so hopefully the trade logic can be tuned at least a tad bit.

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                • buddy321813
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 670

                  #9
                  Re: Trade Logic Broken?

                  Originally posted by btemp
                  Could be a problem. That's not the worst trade in the world, could be more of an anomaly. Hard to say without seeing more trades.

                  EDIT: I just realized that was the 2nd OVERALL pick. That is horrible! If, on average, future picks are valued a round down then they traded Barry Coefield and a 4th round pick for the 2nd overall pick. Ugh!!!
                  Yes this is exactly why I was worried it made no sense to me at all. I am shocked more people aren't concerned about this as I am. To me it made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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                  • Humdinger80
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 175

                    #10
                    Re: Trade Logic Broken?

                    Originally posted by buddy321813
                    I really hope so because I am so stoked for this game it's crazy. This does worry me, but trust me either way I will be enjoying this game. I just think this was worthy of being brought up so hopefully the trade logic can be tuned at least a tad bit.
                    Well, it was the cpu that accepted it, the man could've played it straight and make a fair trade instead of taking advantage of the weak trade logic. Just don't do it. Don't get me wrong here fellas I have so many issues with this game that hasn't even released yet that I'm just renting this sh*t but this issue is something that you can work around.

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                    • buddy321813
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 670

                      #11
                      Re: Trade Logic Broken?

                      Originally posted by Humdinger80
                      Well, it was the cpu that accepted it, the man could've played it straight and make a fair trade instead of taking advantage of the weak trade logic. Just don't do it. Don't get me wrong here fellas I have so many issues with this game that hasn't even released yet that I'm just renting this sh*t but this issue is something that you can work around.
                      Yes, but what happens when the CPU make trades with each other and they aren't logical? If this isn't fixed then we will have a broken trade logic. Not to mention we can't edit anything in CC so it makes this even more of an issue.

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                      • btemp
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 160

                        #12
                        Re: Trade Logic Broken?

                        Originally posted by Humdinger80
                        Well, it was the cpu that accepted it, the man could've played it straight and make a fair trade instead of taking advantage of the weak trade logic. Just don't do it. Don't get me wrong here fellas I have so many issues with this game that hasn't even released yet that I'm just renting this sh*t but this issue is something that you can work around.
                        I totally disagree about it being a big deal (at least to me). I HATE deciding for the CPU what are fare trades because I'm never clear (or have to air on the side of getting the worse deal myself). As a (former) Franchise-aholic I loved taking horrible teams and re-tooling the roster. The problem is that in trading away or for players it just breaks down.

                        What's a fair trade for Aqib Talib (88 OVR CB)? Clearly it's not Aaron Rodgers, but how about a 1st round pick for a very good starting CB? A 2nd rounder? Maybe Nick Fairley? How about Larry Fitzgerald? What player pick combos is he worth?

                        Its easy to tell when a trade is blatantly bad, but beyond that its unclear. And when making these trades I can't decide what's fair so I need that CPU logic to make it fair - or break my franchise.

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                        • Johnny "Too Tall"
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 309

                          #13
                          Re: Trade Logic Broken?

                          That is a horrible trade. No team would ever trade the 2nd pick in the draft for that. Ever.

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                          • moneal2001
                            Pro
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 835

                            #14
                            Re: Trade Logic Broken?

                            coefield could be rated higher by the rams than 85. it is also a position that they are in need of. many teams would trade a proven player for an unproven rookie. They needed a LG, DT, and a QB. they wouldn't draft a LG that high and they have bradford at qb with a high salary. so they would have taken a DT there or trade down. since they got a trade offer for a proven DT they would most likely have taken it.

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                            • buddy321813
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 670

                              #15
                              Re: Trade Logic Broken?

                              Originally posted by moneal2001
                              coefield could be rated higher by the rams than 85. it is also a position that they are in need of. many teams would trade a proven player for an unproven rookie. They needed a LG, DT, and a QB. they wouldn't draft a LG that high and they have bradford at qb with a high salary. so they would have taken a DT there or trade down. since they got a trade offer for a proven DT they would most likely have taken it.
                              Although you give a good argument I still say that trade can't really be justified especially for the 2nd overall pick.

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