Why is the glass always half fulled?

[MadManCometh]

Prior to release 2K devs claimed the wanted gamers with stick skills to really have the advantage. And I get that theory, it makes sense. However, it appears the devs was only thinking offense, and apparently not defense. You can play off ball defense all game long and the computer will play pretty good defense for you. They will contest, make steals, and play good defense all game while a player hide behind some other defender away from the play. This game doesn't reward ppl in this game they play man defense enough. And it's a shame but whatever.

[YogurtProducer]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

What are they supposed to do? Make the computers unable to guard the ball handler adequately? Who cares if guys play off ball defense, it doesn't really matter.

[andrewds23]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

Off baller checking in. If you can't beat the AI defense then that's on you. no one has ever punished me for off balling. Im too good at it I off ball with guards only unless it's a big in a pnr. I off ball next to the key so I don't get back doored and always off ball with the furtherest guard away from the ball handler. I've played games where my opponent has obsessed with making me pay for off balling. I'm too good at it, all they do is run down the clock and put up bad shots.

[killaxxbearsxxx]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

I think the stick skill thing was moreso for the pro-am environment..I don't think you'll ever see 2k go to a 1v1 competitive scene because no matter what, there will always be exploits that can break a fair game

[killaxxbearsxxx]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

Off baller checking in. If you can't beat the AI defense then that's on you. no one has ever punished me for off balling. Im too good at it I off ball with guards only unless it's a big in a pnr. I off ball next to the key so I don't get back doored and always off ball with the furtherest guard away from the ball handler. I've played games where my opponent has obsessed with making me pay for off balling. I'm too good at it, all they do is run down the clock and put up bad shots.

Speaking of breaking a fair game, this is beyond one of the most frustrating things about the 2k community. The main purpose of playing human players is to get away from the AI..then we run into people like you who value winning too much, to the point of not caring about playing a good game. This isn't to condemn you or anything, this isn't a triggering frustration. I just think the off-baller is breaking the code and it's not up to the other guy to compensate for that

[Swagger Jack]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

Speaking of breaking a fair game, this is beyond one of the most frustrating things about the 2k community. The main purpose of playing human players is to get away from the AI..then we run into people like you who value winning too much, to the point of not caring about playing a good game. This isn't to condemn you or anything, this isn't a triggering frustration. I just think the off-baller is breaking the code and it's not up to the other guy to compensate for that

That's what you think, but that's not what I think and obviously that's not what he thinks....if that ruins the game for you then fine, find other players who want to play the way YOU want to play. But I'm going to continue to play my game the way I want to play it. It's 2016 and it's ridiculous that people are still trying to tell others the right and wrong way to play their game....if you want to give me $60 and sponsor me and buy my 2K THEN you can tell me how to playbut IMO if somebody chooses to put themselves at a disadvantage for the sake of "getting away from the AI" .....well that's on them

[killaxxbearsxxx]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

That's what you think, but that's not what I think and obviously that's not what he thinks....if that ruins the game for you then fine, find other players who want to play the way YOU want to play. But I'm going to continue to play my game the way I want to play it. It's 2016 and it's ridiculous that people are still trying to tell others the right and wrong way to play their game....if you want to give me $60 and sponsor me and buy my 2K THEN you can tell me how to playbut IMO if somebody chooses to put themselves at a disadvantage for the sake of "getting away from the AI" .....well that's on them

So does that mean I should use every single borderline exploit just to avoid being disadvantaged? So every online game I play I should be off-balling, zig-zagging and spamming with steph curry and co.? You realize how bad this would be at that point? It isn't about controlling what you do with your game. Its about setting boundaries for what you do to me during our game. But you're right man it's 2016 what am I to expect? A fair game?

[KoolAidNoSugar]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

Lol off ball playing is mad weak no matter how you put it. That's no different then looking for moves to exploit in the park/PROAM area. If people wanted to play AI then they would do that, but at the same time what can you do lol. Give someone the opportunity to take the weak way and they will most of the time. Personally why I don't care for PNO or MyTeam because of it.

Around 2k11 - 2k14 people played on ball most of the time and it was fun. Now it seems everyone looks for a weak way out just because they thirsty to advance. You can say let people play their game but why even play online then??


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[fluent2332]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

I think playing off-ball is fun. I used to do it all the time in the 2K7, 2K8 to 2K10 days. Basically, I had a house rule that said whoever I scored with on offense would be who I played the entire defensive possession with. No switching. This was fun because it gave me the experience of playing as all 5 positions on defense, guarding different players for an entire possession, playing smart help defense, rotating, etc., as well as "roleplaying" various defenders on the defensive possession (I would play differently depending on the player). It's a different experience and quite fun, IMO.

Lately I've been playing on-ball because that's also a lot of fun. I think playing whichever way you want is your own call. I can beat the AI or I can beat a player using the defender. A lot of times it's even easier to exploit poor off-ball defense with back-door cuts or good passing anyway. If the player controlling the off-ball defender isn't good at rotating, help defense, etc. etc., they will get burned a lot.

[YogurtProducer]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

Lol off ball playing is mad weak no matter how you put it. That's no different then looking for moves to exploit in the park/PROAM area. If people wanted to play AI then they would do that, but at the same time what can you do lol. Give someone the opportunity to take the weak way and they will most of the time. Personally why I don't care for PNO or MyTeam because of it.

Around 2k11 - 2k14 people played on ball most of the time and it was fun. Now it seems everyone looks for a weak way out just because they thirsty to advance. You can say let people play their game but why even play online then??


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Man I don't even play online and this is exactly why. Maybe someone enjoys playing off the ball, it is what I primarily do offline because I do not enjoy on ball defense because it is so favored in the offenses favor; I cannot even imagine it online with lag and exploits.

[KoolAidNoSugar]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

Man I don't even play online and this is exactly why. Maybe someone enjoys playing off the ball, it is what I primarily do offline because I do not enjoy on ball defense because it is so favored in the offenses favor; I cannot even imagine it online with lag and exploits.

I never have issues playing on ball. If a pick and roll happens of course I switch to the big but I'm always back to the on ball player.


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[fluent2332]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

Aggressive but smart on-ball defense can be effective online. If you apply some pressure and can still stay in front of your man for the most part you can play decent D. I find it better to play more aggressive than give the opponent too much space to get a head of steam with dribble moves, etc. If you just lay back and let them go to work it's going to be more difficult, IMO.

[kabamaru]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

I think we have demonized offball unessecary

People playing on-ball have clearly a disadvantage as a) there is a big input lag online

b) AI plays really bad help defense

To be honest defending is a 5 man issue. I prefer to be able to watch the whole court to read my opponents plays and try to help when I feel I am needed.

If CPU was better on help defense the above would not be needed.

That being said it is very difficult to watch your whole defense (like you do in offense) when you try to stay in front of your player. For me it is hardbreaking to play the best possible on-ball defense to be punished by a lead pass to the paint where my Center is 2 ft away, or by an open 3 out of an off-ball screen when none of my defenders reacted.

CPU plays much better on-ball defense, than it does in rotations

To each their own i guess, but off-ball defense is by no way exploiting a game mechanic neither is overpowered

I ain't gonna apologize to anyone of how I play especially if I don't abuse any game mechanics

Yesterday a guy called me "cheeser" because i torched him with PnR. Is it my fault that he wasn't able to defend a pnr? Should I stop calling for picks just because he was a bad pnr defender?

[jax01]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

Speaking of breaking a fair game, this is beyond one of the most frustrating things about the 2k community. The main purpose of playing human players is to get away from the AI..then we run into people like you who value winning too much, to the point of not caring about playing a good game. This isn't to condemn you or anything, this isn't a triggering frustration. I just think the off-baller is breaking the code and it's not up to the other guy to compensate for that

Lol you playing the wrong mode dude. 1vs1 inherently has AI teammates. You should play mypark or pro am, thats whata no CPU is supposed to be. Sim doesnt mean play on-ball. What if someone wants to play passing lanes? 1vs1 is actually 1 human controlling 5 players. How he chooses to do that is the strategy.

[raiderphantom]

Re: Why is the glass always half fulled?

I don't like the idea of "hiding" offball but it is a choice. There's absolutely nothing wrong with using all 5 players on defense to fight thru screens, hedge, contain, watch back cuts, etc. I use a mix and basically guard the nearest threat. If the user doesn't read the court well I'll cheat over off ball and make him find the weakside shooter. It's a legit basketball strategy. The whole 100% on ball thing isn't wise and just makes me think many who do it don't even want simulation basketball and would prefer streetball.