Does the AI cheat on All-Star? If so, where and how?

[ZekeRoberts]

(I guess I meant to say does the CPU cheat on All-Star...)

Bought the game on release day as a reward for building the Clippers into NBA Champions on 2k11. Won that title on Pro, with very very slight tweaks, brought them back towards default a little bit each season, and decided to move up to All-Star for my attempt to repeat. Mostly had to mess around with shooting sliders but I felt I had it down when i started to lost interest for other games this summer.

So here I am on 2k13, which I really love compared to 2k11, but despite what I read about Pro being the most realistic I just feel like playing on All-Star since I "beat" Pro two iterations ago. In fact, I'd be happy to adjust sliders heavily to make it work.

"Hello, my name is Zeke and I'm addicted to sliders..."
"...HI ZEKE..."
You know the drill.

So anyways I started with mkharsh's set, and he always puts out respectable sliders IMO, but I'm a much more casual, weekend-only gamer now that I'm approaching 30. So I needed to change things... kind of a lot. I'm wondering what the consensus is on what needs to change the most.

I have slight bumps for USER shooting to give a +2 advantage in that area.
My favorite aspect of mkharsh's set is the 55/40 on the physical attributes, I have those at 52/40 and it works very well for me.
I simply could not get the CPU to turn the ball over until I dropped Handling and Hands to 32. You'd think they could barely handle, but it's actually realistic (no crazy spin dribbles into crowded paint).
The tweak that I'm "most ashamed of" (kidding, kidding) is OAWR 80/20 and DAWR 40/100. But honestly I feel like my guys are still idiots on defense (GET BACK ALREADY! YOU'RE JOGGING AND HE JUST PASSED YOU).
I have OREB at 32/52 and DREB at 44/52.

Call me crazy (if you haven't already, at least you read this whole post) but multiples of 4 finally "clicked" for me... after staring at the screen so long I noticed that's where the little black bars appear LOL

Your thoughts? Where are the edits most needed to bring the higher difficulty levels back to what we want to call "realism?"

[ruxpinke]

Re: Does the AI cheat on All-Star? If so, where and how?

Im in between levels right now. Like the game on Pro, feels more fair and balanced. I felt like going to all star (MKharsh challenging set) just inflated the CPU (faster, made tougher shots, took away my FB). I was enjoying the challenge, although it felt artificial and ultimately frustrating. so im not sure where i go from here. told myself I was going to stick to pro sim when i got the game, didnt wanna go into slider hell this year. enjoyed the game more on pro sim. felt more like basketball instead of a video game. although now i might deal with the frustration of it being too easy.

[RickyRubio9]

Re: Does the AI cheat on All-Star? If so, where and how?

Yeah. There are a lot of difference between Pro (too easy) All-Star (too hard)

This game is totally unbalanced..waiting for a patch. Testing some sliders while i wait.

[the_future420]

Re: Does the AI cheat on All-Star? If so, where and how?

I'd suggest trying my sliders. They are pro level, but skewed a bit towards the CPU's favor

[ruxpinke]

Re: Does the AI cheat on All-Star? If so, where and how?

i like the feel of the game on Pro, thinking of lowering my shooting sliders, then I think ill be good until the patch rolls around.

[ZekeRoberts]

Re: Does the AI cheat on All-Star? If so, where and how?

A few games played after starting this thread and I think I'm pretty dialed in to an All-Star set actually... had to give USER a physical advantage (as stated above), toned down Vertical on both sides because it didn't look right... there's really only a couple areas I'm trying to fine tune (in this order): #1 getting the right balance with steals and turnovers and #2 getting the right balance on inside success, with and without defense and contact. I feel like it's maybe too easy to knock anyone off their shot with contact down low but I am used to dominating inside with Blake Griffin on 2K11... ? Last game I played stats were SPOT ON, I even said so to my wife (like she cared), I took a pic and may post sliders if anyone is interested.

[ruxpinke]

Re: Does the AI cheat on All-Star? If so, where and how?

i would be interested in what sliders gave you a physical advantage, because I think thats a good way to put how it feels to play on some of the higher levels. its like the CPU is on Steroids. I want steroids too

[tc020791]

Re: Does the AI cheat on All-Star? If so, where and how?

A few games played after starting this thread and I think I'm pretty dialed in to an All-Star set actually... had to give USER a physical advantage (as stated above), toned down Vertical on both sides because it didn't look right... there's really only a couple areas I'm trying to fine tune (in this order): #1 getting the right balance with steals and turnovers and #2 getting the right balance on inside success, with and without defense and contact. I feel like it's maybe too easy to knock anyone off their shot with contact down low but I am used to dominating inside with Blake Griffin on 2K11... ? Last game I played stats were SPOT ON, I even said so to my wife (like she cared), I took a pic and may post sliders if anyone is interested.

I'd be interested in seeing these as well and giving them a try.

[jcern23]

Re: Does the AI cheat on All-Star? If so, where and how?

Amazing how a game can have five levels yet so many of us find ourselves in the middle of pro and all star every single year. I once again am in the same situation with 2k i would much rather play pro if it is fair without exploits but in past versions ive felt it to be way to easy on pro unless u make the sliders unrealistic stats wise. All star just doesnt it feel right IMO ive played several games and every time the CPU pulls away making me feel like I have no control

[ZekeRoberts]

Re: Does the AI cheat on All-Star? If so, where and how?

Also interesting how different the game feels from good teams to bad teams. Thus after more tinkering with different match ups I'm continuing to tinker around but I'm getting good stats anyways... I am currently on my phone but I will see if I can remember to post what I'm using before the weekend.

[ZekeRoberts]

Re: Does the AI cheat on All-Star? If so, where and how?

I had either a rough night (aside from my Tigers losing) or was being too picky about stats but the slider set that I fell in love with a couple days ago just didn't feel right tonight. Go figure. I almost feel like giving up and going back to Pro but since I'm waiting to start an Association, why not continue to tinker? Since someone asked, I linked my signature to my sliders in my blog... also just a bunch of thoughts and notes to myself because I'm getting old and won't remember every detail otherwise. Feel free to comment there as well if you have an opinion.

[keshunleon]

Re: Does the AI cheat on All-Star? If so, where and how?

I don't think cheating is as noticeable as it was in 2K12.

Here are a few things I notice or consider the CPU is cheating on Allstar.

Speed:
more CPU sliding and recovering faster
CPU stopping your momentum and riding you after you past them

Animations:
more suck in screen animations
defenders running the wrong way after a screen
canned steal animations (PF and C's ripping PG's)
players (user) going up then altering shots or not going up strong.

Passing:
players cutting stop when you pass
players running into traffic to catch passes but was open
bad/slow passing animations
alley oops attempts are extremely bad
more user bobbled catches
CPU passes more accurately even if defender is about to block it yet no bobble

Shots:
predetermined shots going in even if its blocked
user can't hit open shot yet Bismack and other poor shooters hitting contested mid jumpers

Rebounding:
user players completely miss rebounds (goes out or a kick ball)
CPU Off rebounds

Fouls:
lack of fouls to dominant players but is called for a foul after good defense or a blocked shots

I am sure all of these happen in the game but when the CPU is running I see this happen more frequently.

[ZekeRoberts]

Re: Does the AI cheat on All-Star? If so, where and how?

I don't think cheating is as noticeable as it was in 2K12.

Here are a few things I notice or consider the CPU is cheating on Allstar.

Speed:
more CPU sliding and recovering faster
CPU stopping your momentum and riding you after you past them

Animations:
more suck in screen animations
defenders running the wrong way after a screen
canned steal animations (PF and C's ripping PG's)
players (user) going up then altering shots or not going up strong.

Passing:
players cutting stop when you pass
players running into traffic to catch passes but was open
bad/slow passing animations
alley oops attempts are extremely bad
more user bobbled catches
CPU passes more accurately even if defender is about to block it yet no bobble

Shots:
predetermined shots going in even if its blocked
user can't hit open shot yet Bismack and other poor shooters hitting contested mid jumpers

Rebounding:
user players completely miss rebounds (goes out or a kick ball)
CPU Off rebounds

Fouls:
lack of fouls to dominant players but is called for a foul after good defense or a blocked shots

I am sure all of these happen in the game but when the CPU is running I see this happen more frequently.

Thanks for the list! The parts I struggle with most are the speed and the passing. Granted, I used to absolutely abuse pinpoint icon passing in 2k11, so i'm glad that it's much more difficult now... but yeah it's cheap on all-star the D is all over EVERYTHING and i think you're right that it's in large part due to bad/slow animations