Player limitations

[Hotobu]

I've been thinking, and I believe that there really needs to be a cap on physical attributes for certain heights and weights.

I don't care how "Athletic" your 7'5" center is there's simply no reason that he should even be able to get a 99 speed. Yes I know, "speed is expensive and you get less skill points for tall players," but there are certain things that should just not be possible. Same thing for stamina. A body that big burns way too many calories for it to be effective over the course of a game.

[kcxiv]

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I can agree with you 100 percent Hotobu. needs to be a cap for sure on how centers can run. If you ever watch any of them run, they try hard but barely move. Shaq isnt fast, but the big guy is quick, but thats not speed.

[Hotobu]

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Now that I think about it there are some other stats that should be looked at namely ballhandling, ball security, and layup off the top of my head. I'm not sure how this game manages on ball steals, but I believe it's tied solely to ballhandling vs. steal and has nothing to do with height differential. I don't want replays of last year with Yao Ming and Dwight Howard breaking ankles. Hell even Amare Stoudamire, while known for his face up skills, would get stripped in a heartbeat if he put the ball on the floor against pratically any guard in the NBA, and when he does dribble he's still only got good handles for a bigman. I hope big guys can't use elite packages.

[kcxiv]

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There are some big guys though that have good handles. I know Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom got some nice handles for big dudes. so that one is iffy right there. They dont have handles like a prime Allen Iverson, but they got some nice ones.

[Hotobu]

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There are some big guys though that have good handles. I know Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom got some nice handles for big dudes. so that one is iffy right there. They dont have handles like a prime Allen Iverson, but they got some nice ones.

You said exactly what I did. They have good handles - for big guys. The problem is that with no limitations on handles they may be able to do Iverson moves (or maybe not, maybe those packages are locked), but the problem is also ball security. I don't care how good your handles are. You're not about to face somebody up that you've got a 6"+ height differential on and who has reasonably good hands.

[DC]

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Odom and Gasol have two different levels of ball handling "for big men."

Odom is basically a SF man. So he is a wing player.

[bigballa21]

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i think this has been adressed a while ago in one of the previews....don't quote me but i think it said big men will move like big men so i think it will be looked before the final build

[kcxiv]

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Odom and Gasol have two different levels of ball handling "for big men."

Odom is basically a SF man. So he is a wing player.

Cept he hasnt played SF in well, since he's been with the Lakers. lol

[Rocboyz101]

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Cept he hasnt played SF in well, since he's been with the Lakers. lol

Didn't he start as sf the year before they lost to the celtics in the finals?

[tonybologna]

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Didn't he start as sf the year before they lost to the celtics in the finals?

Odom has been a SF before but his role changed to PF with the Lakers for the most part. Thanks!

[mot5082]

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Is the point to argue what position Odom plays? I would say he has pretty good handles and he's a big guy. There are some things that a human body just wont allow you to do, those are what have to be capped. Anyways why would ball handling and all that matter? If they are bigs the game starts to penalize you if you dribble for more than 5 seconds in a halfcourt offense. So by the time you make your moves and all you are penalized.

[ffaacc03]

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Nope, I dont agree with the focus taken within this topic.

Lets go back 15 years ... if someone would have told you:

1. That a 250 pounds 6´8 player could be able to run, pass and handle like a guard ... you would have said that it was impossible or near it ... today, that player is Lebron ...

2. That a 270 pounds 7´ player would be raining 3s in a much better average and frecuence than Reggie Miller ... you would have said that it was impossible or near it ... today, that player is Nowitski ...

... so, while there are no many Lebrons and Nowitskys in the league, that proves that you ought to have all your options open ... what should be done is that only the created players within "my player" can play online (offline it doesnt matter if someone creates the perfect player) and that, as they have already said, those attributes rare within the possitions (like speed for Cs), become "greatly" difficult to obtain ...

... I will go beyond that statement and say that they need to exponentially increase (to 5 times maybe ?) the difficulty to update any player attributes once it reaches the mid 80´s.

[tonybologna]

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Is the point to argue what position Odom plays? I would say he has pretty good handles and he's a big guy. There are some things that a human body just wont allow you to do, those are what have to be capped. Anyways why would ball handling and all that matter? If they are bigs the game starts to penalize you if you dribble for more than 5 seconds in a halfcourt offense. So by the time you make your moves and all you are penalized.

Who's arguing bud? We're just discussing the matter. I didn't see anyone arguing I believe & appears to be only a discussion to me. Having said that, it's certainly not that big of a deal too. Thanks! :wink:

[Hotobu]

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Is the point to argue what position Odom plays? I would say he has pretty good handles and he's a big guy. There are some things that a human body just wont allow you to do, those are what have to be capped. Anyways why would ball handling and all that matter? If they are bigs the game starts to penalize you if you dribble for more than 5 seconds in a halfcourt offense. So by the time you make your moves and all you are penalized.

What people do in their own game doesn't concern me. What I am worried about is when I have to play guys with abilities like that online.

Nope, I dont agree with the focus taken within this topic.

Lets go back 15 years ... if someone would have told you:
etc.

I knew someone was going to make that point. I understand where you're coming from, but I say cross that bridge when it happens. Currently as height gets to 7' + guys take a noticable drop in athleticism and quickness. Tyson Chandler is the most athletic 7'er that comes to mind and even he's a bit awkward. I think that current NBA player limitations should be somewhat reflected in a mode like My Player. That's not to say that a Tyson Chandler type is all you can aspire to as a 7'+ guy. You should in fact be able to press beyond that a bit, but a 7'+ guy with 99 speed quickness and stamina is currently out of the question. If someone comes along and defies the current mold then I'd be willing to accept that. Not now though.

[mot5082]

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I knew someone was going to make that point. I understand where you're coming from, but I say cross that bridge when it happens. Currently as height gets to 7' + guys take a noticable drop in athleticism and quickness. Tyson Chandler is the most athletic 7'er that comes to mind and even he's a bit awkward. I think that current NBA player limitations should be somewhat reflected in a mode like My Player. That's not to say that a Tyson Chandler type is all you can aspire to as a 7'+ guy. You should in fact be able to press beyond that a bit, but a 7'+ guy with 99 speed quickness and stamina is currently out of the question. If someone comes along and defies the current mold then I'd be willing to accept that. Not now though.

I would have to say Olajuwon was pretty athletic. And don't forget that Wilt was also an exceptional ATHLETE outright, not just for his size. He excelled in the 100 meter dash and also dominated the high jump. So you can't say a 7' can't do those things . If a player just chooses to emphasize on his speed, he will have an extremely unproductive career. You know you only start out with around 2 minutes a game. he will tire out and almost always stay in the D League. And online he would easily be shut down by double teams and centers that can actually defend. Let them choose any route they fill will lead to success, but for every choice there should be an equal and opposite reaction. More speed should equate less stamina initially. So if you start a game outright sprinting, you should lose your turbo meter A LOT faster than someone who didn't. This way it would truly show how athletes are in real life. In real life if you start a quarter full out springing, then you tire faster and half less left in the tank at the end of the game. They shouldn't cap it, but I know that for an athletic point guard It takes almost 2,000 points to increase speed. For bigs it should take around 4,000-5,000. In that way only those that try to strive to gain that edge really do it. One more thing, I feel that online when you play team up, less points should be given than a regular combine game. Maybe cap those points to 400-500 (A- to A+) or so. This will take away from people that just strive to play online to become the best and then destroy in the D League and the NBA. You should also be penalized, lose 400-500 points (D- to F). Gain 100-399 points (C+ to B+) and finally lose 100-399 points (C- to D). This risk/reward way would make it harder for people to just allocate all their points to improve athleticism.