Should there be a cap on certain ratings based on position, height or weight?

[Po Pimp]

Even though I don't necessarily agree with the ratings on Fight Night 4, I like the idea that its impossible for the quickest heavyweight to have the speed of the quickest lightweight because of a cap on the ratings. This brings me to NBA 2k.

Should it be possible for a player who is 140 pounds to have a strength rating of 99? How about a 7'6" player having a vertical of 99? I think the Combine shows its going in that direction by having the different style of players and a cap on size if u choose a certain position, but that doesn't prevent people from being able to make a 99 everything attribute player in the actual game. Even with Michael Jordan, he was the perfect player, but even he should have a cap on his rebounding and strength rating simply based on his size/position. I'm not saying you SHOULDN'T be able to make a player with a 99 OVR, but if I decide to make a CENTER who is rated 99...I shouldn't be allowed to give him a 99 in 3pt shooting, handles, or speed. Conversely, I should not be allowed to make a PG who is taller than Magic Johnson, have 99 rating in rebounds, blocked shots, or post moves.

[True Blue Titan]

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im going to answer the title: YES!

[Boge]

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Maybe for the My Player feature or anything which you can take online, but just in game editing stats, those need to be wide open for us to do what we want with.

[TheFiasco87]

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Yes there should be.

[DC]

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Nah, if someone wants to create that nonsense on their game let them be. Don't cap it.

[Krucialist]

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There shouldnt be arbitrary caps but their needs to be a system of checks and balances. You mentioned fight night rd 4. Well that game told me that Roy Jones has a 75 chin and Marvelous Marvin Hagler has a 74. It also told me that Kermit Cintron has a 62 power in his lead hand while sergio "hands like pillows" mora has a 62 as well in his lead hand.

Arbitrary caps take away the actual abilities of real people. If you wanna prevent a 7'6 center from having a 99 vertical then make it cost significantly more points to increase vertical for someone that tall. A carefully thought out list of incentives and disincentives can prevent the unrealistic scenarios just fine. The problem is you have to consider each rating and how it can be affected by height and weight. A 7'6 center should be able to have a 99 3pt if he wishes, just make it cost him so much that he wont be a very effective center outside of that 3 ball. If u have a 99 3pt then u are a 3pt specialist which should therefore imply thats about all u do really well. everything else should be various degrees of spotty.

So long answer short, no caps are needed but there should definately be checks and balances to account for physical limitations.

[Po Pimp]

Re: Should there be a cap on certain ratings based on position, height or weight?

Maybe for the My Player feature or anything which you can take online, but just in game editing stats, those need to be wide open for us to do what we want with.

Nah, if someone wants to create that nonsense on their game let them be. Don't cap it.

I'm not saying a person shouldn't be able to create a 99 OVR character, but I really feel like there should be a cap on positions. For example a PG should be able to max out their Passing, Handles, Shooting, Speed, but there should be a cap on their height (Combine has it at 6'7, but I would make it 6'9), weight (which I feel should be tied somewhat to strength), rebounding, and blocked shots.

If I wanted to make a 99 OVR center, I should be able to max out inside shooting, Post Offense and Defense, Strength and a few others, but Speed, Vertical, Handles, Midrange and 3pt shooting would be capped.

[abuC]

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There should be caps, however a center can have a 99 in 3pt, that's a skill based attribute and there are big guys in the league that can drill 3s. That said, the caps on physical attributes based on height, weight and build should be there, no way a guy 7"0 or over weighing 280-300lbs should be able to achieve a 99 in speed or quickness.

[Po Pimp]

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There shouldnt be arbitrary caps but their needs to be a system of checks and balances. You mentioned fight night rd 4. Well that game told me that Roy Jones has a 75 chin and Marvelous Marvin Hagler has a 74. It also told me that Kermit Cintron has a 62 power in his lead hand while sergio "hands like pillows" mora has a 62 as well in his lead hand.

Arbitrary caps take away the actual abilities of real people. If you wanna prevent a 7'6 center from having a 99 vertical then make it cost significantly more points to increase vertical for someone that tall. A carefully thought out list of incentives and disincentives can prevent the unrealistic scenarios just fine. The problem is you have to consider each rating and how it can be affected by height and weight. A 7'6 center should be able to have a 99 3pt if he wishes, just make it cost him so much that he wont be a very effective center outside of that 3 ball. If u have a 99 3pt then u are a 3pt specialist which should therefore imply thats about all u do really well. everything else should be various degrees of spotty.

So long answer short, no caps are needed but there should definately be checks and balances to account for physical limitations.

Well we both know FN4 had flawed ratings.

The problem with a 7'6 Center with 3pt ability is...how often have u seen this? Never right? Wouldn't that defeat their purpose of being a Center? Even Dirk isn't a Center...he came in the league as a SF, so if someone wanted to make a 7' SF with 3pt Shooting maxed out, with a Secondary position of PF, then it would be somewhat possible to create Dirk.

Again, to mention FN4 again...the caps they did were too extreme. If I were doing the ratings, I would make a Center with a cap at 85 3pt shooting...I wouldn't drop it down to like 70.

[Po Pimp]

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There should be caps, however a center can have a 99 in 3pt, that's a skill based attribute and there are big guys in the league that can drill 3s. That said, the caps on physical attributes based on height, weight and build should be there, no way a guy 7"0 or over weighing 280-300lbs should be able to achieve a 99 in speed or quickness.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. The physical attributes should definitely have caps on them. I was leaning toward that, but got off track...lol.

Even if u have the Draft Combine, they divide the attributes into 4 categories: Offense, Defense, Physical, and Mental.

[abuC]

Re: Should there be a cap on certain ratings based on position, height or weight?

Well we both know FN4 had flawed ratings.

The problem with a 7'6 Center with 3pt ability is...how often have u seen this? Never right? Wouldn't that defeat their purpose of being a Center? Even Dirk isn't a Center...he came in the league as a SF, so if someone wanted to make a 7' SF with 3pt Shooting maxed out, with a Secondary position of PF, then it would be somewhat possible to create Dirk.

Just because you don't see it often doesn't mean it shouldn't be attainable, while not quite 7"6 Arvydas Sabonis was a very good 3 pointer shooter when he came into the NBA and he's 7"3. I don't think there should be a cap, it should be much harder to attain than it is for a guard/forward, but it shouldn't be impossible. The only thing stopping a lot of big guys from launching up 3s is coaching, I have no doubt that Yao would be able to hit the 3 on a consistent basis if it were worked into the teams gameplan.

[Po Pimp]

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Just because you don't see it often doesn't mean it shouldn't be attainable, while not quite 7"6 Arvydas Sabonis was a very good 3 pointer shooter when he came into the NBA and he's 7"3. I don't think there should be a cap, it should be much harder to attain than it is for a guard/forward, but it shouldn't be impossible. The only thing stopping a lot of big guys from launching up 3s is coaching, I have no doubt that Yao would be able to hit the 3 on a consistent basis if it were worked into the teams gameplan.

Right, in my last post, I switched my stance on this somewhat. The only attributes that should be capped are Physical. Dwight Howard can jump, but he doesn't have Nate Robinson's vertical. Earl Boykins can bench like 300lbs, but he's not stronger than Shaq. David Robinson was quick, but he's no Iverson. Physical attributes should be tied into height/weight, which should be somewhat tied into position.

[J.R. Locke]

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Never let the company decide what we can do with the game we buy. A resounding NO!

[Krucialist]

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Right, in my last post, I switched my stance on this somewhat. The only attributes that should be capped are Physical. Dwight Howard can jump, but he doesn't have Nate Robinson's vertical. Earl Boykins can bench like 300lbs, but he's not stronger than Shaq. David Robinson was quick, but he's no Iverson. Physical attributes should be tied into height/weight, which should be somewhat tied into position.

I agree with your thought process here but caps shouldnt exist.

Dwight doesnt have Nate's vertical, true. So if the vertical rating was programmed correctly then just put a much higher price on vertical for big men. If dunking was actually dependent on being able to jump to the hoop and not based on a minimum dunk rating then this evens itself out. If you are 7 ft with a 40 vertical or something low, u should still be able to dunk because thats as high as u need to get. Yao has a pathetic vertical but he dunks all the time on this same principle.

Boykins isnt stronger than Shaq and that can be fixed by factoring in mass. If u factor in the player's weight to go along with their strength then you have a situation where smaller players cant bully the big guys anymore but certain big guys still get shoved around the way they actually do against certain matchups.

David Robinson was quick but not iverson. Ok so you just give him a penalty on points needed for speed. If u factor in both weight and height then these things will regulate themselves.

You mentioned earlier that if a center only shoots 3s then what good is he at center. Well the answer is not very good at all and that is the whole point. Dont cap people for creating freaks. Let them do it at the penalty that they will play themselves right out of their own position. If u wanna be a 6'7 PG then fine, but when u are getting dusted by all the quick 6'0 PGs and u cant stay in front of them because you dont have their agility then it may seem like a bad idea.

Im just trying to show that caps arent needed if u construct the right system around the attributes and factor in the physical stature of each player correctly. It would all work itself out if each position was designed correctly.

[Krucialist]

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The problem in the past was that the ratings werent dynamic enough and you could get away with entirely too much. There was no reason to draft a PG if u could get a fast SG. No need for PFs if u can just get a taller C to take his place. Its the reason people could put in their big lineups and see little to no drop off of productivity. Thats when we get Odom, Kobe, Joe Johnson, Wade, T-Mac, and the rest at PG. Or as most people know, the taller players are all better than most of the shorter ones for Cs and PFs. Yao Ming is the best C in the game imo. He is a monster on both sides of the court due to his height. Zydrunas is the same way. I had the luxury of watching Amare Stoudamire and Andrew Bynum get cooked by Dirk in my franchise. I dont mean by shooting either. He muscled them on the inside and dominated the glass with all the rebounds. It was Dwight Howard esqe. All because he is tall.

You fix those kinds of issues and caps wont be necessary.