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  • #1
    j0nnyh
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    • Sep 2009
    • 5

    Incorrect Positions in 2K10


    Not sure if this has been discussed anywhere else, but I thought I'd address the several instances of incorrect primary positions for players in the provided screens of 2K10. Sure, we all know the 2K rating system is a joke (Ben Wallace = Andrew Bogut, Al Harrington=Rashard Lewis, Danny Green=Mike Dunleavy, Terrence Williams = John Salmons, Rafer Alston = Jose Calderon, etc.). For starters though, I realize there are exceptions to the notion that a players proper position is indicated by the position he played the most minutes at the previous season. Many more natural power forwards play center either because of their team's system or due to a lack of quality alternatives at the position. Therefore, I won't discuss players such as David Lee, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Al Jefferson and Nick Collison who played the majority of their minutes somewhat out of position due to their unique situation. Nevertheless, there are several major mistakes by 2k that drastically hurt the authenticity and credibility of the game:

    Rashard Lewis - Listed at SF, yet according to 82games, played 68% of his team's minutes at the 4 and only 3% at the 3. Admittedly the Bass signing and the loss of Turkoglu will increase his PT on the wing, he still figures to play the vast majority of his time at the power forward position where he's a superior defender and more effective at creating mismatches.

    Tim Duncan - When will we all stop pretending Duncan is a PF? Last year he played 55% of his team's minutes at center vs only 7% at PF. On top of that Duncan is the anchor of the Spurs defense and virtually always guards the opponents best low post big.

    Rasheed Wallace - Played 46% of his team's minutes at center vs 6% at power forward last year with the Pistons. Sure, for much of his career he's been thought of as a power forward, but with the Celtics he figures to either start alongside the frailer Kevin Garnett or backup Kendrick Perkins at the 5 while the ~6'8" Glen Davis gets his minutes at the four.

    Lamar Odom - Last year, according to 82games, Odom played virtually all his minutes at the PF position where his rebounding is an asset and his mediocre perimeter shooting isn't such a liability.

    Anderson Varejao - 2K lists Varejao at center despite the fact that this puts him behind Shaq and Big Z on the Cavs depth chart. Oh, and he also played 44% of his team's minutes at the 4 last year and only 13% at center.

    Marcin Gortat - This one is arguable considering Gortat technically only played 10% at C vs 9% at 2Ks listed PF position, but I think most would agree that this was merely an attempt by SVG to get the young and talented Gortat on the floor with Dwight Howard. Considering the Mavs and Rockets attempted to sign Gortat as their starting center for the upcoming season, I think its fair to say he's a 5.

    Michael Beasley - Is listed as a small forward despite the fact that Spoelstra was completely unwilling to expose his dreadful perimeter D to opposing wings. Played virtually all his minutes last year at the PF despite the fact that the Heat were often undermanned at the 3.

    Delonte West - Classic case of 2k lagging behind a year. True, West played the majority of his minutes at PG in 07-08, but the arrival of Mo Williams allowed him to move over to SG where he's a more effective player despite his size disadvantage. Played 47% of his team's minutes at the 2 vs 5% at the 1.

    Francisco Garcia - Despite his slender build, Garcia played 35% of his team's minutes at small forward vs 7% at shooting guard. With the addition of Tyreke Evans, the minutes behind Kevin Martin are likely to decrease even more this season.

    Others(correct position): Ronny Turiaf (C, 36%v6%), Mike Miller (SF, 38%v22%), Martell Webster (SF, 48%v4% in '07-08), Michael Finley (SF, 41%v14%), Jarrett Jack (SG 42%v26%), Tim Thomas (PF, 12%v5%), Mickael Pietrus (SF, 18%v14%), Jared Jeffries (SF, 18%v3%).

    I'm sure there are others out there that I missed and yes I realize these are all editable, but just wanted to bring this up as yet another instance of the Insider or whoever else is in charge of rosters over at 2K clearly is pulling this stuff out of thin air.
    Last edited by j0nnyh; 09-29-2009, 12:17 AM. Reason: clarify
  • #2
    youvalss
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    • Feb 2007
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    Glen Davis would play 5 even if he was 6'3". This guy was born to play 5.
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    • #3
      RayAP19
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      • Oct 2006
      • 2668

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      Re: Incorrect Positions in 2K10



      Good thread-- your points are all basically dead-on

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      • #4
        j0nnyh
        Rookie
        • Sep 2009
        • 5

        Re: Incorrect Positions in 2K10


        Re: Incorrect Positions in 2K10

        Originally posted by youvalss
        Glen Davis would play 5 even if he was 6'3". This guy was born to play 5.
        True Davis did play slightly more minutes at center last season, but this had a lot to do with the fact that the Celtics only other quality front court reserve was Leon Powe, who is already undersized at the 4. So, unless Doc wanted to trot out Mikki Moore, O'Bryant, or Scalabrine instead... Davis was clearly going to be the guy. Its kind of a dime a piece, but I'm still thinking that Rasheed is better suited to play the 5 thanks to his extra 2-3 inches, solid build, and superior shot blocking (3.1 blk% vs Davis' 0.9).

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        • #5
          Vyaras
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          • Jun 2006
          • 361

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          Guess they didn't use 82games' data for this aspect of the rosters.

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          • #6
            DayZ
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            • Oct 2008
            • 284

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            oh well you can always change the positions urself. i personally have no problem in doing so

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            • #7
              CoHouse2814
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              • Jul 2009
              • 377

              Re: Incorrect Positions in 2K10


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              man 2k cant win in these forums but people still gone buy it. last year the ratings are too high, now with it being low people still cry.

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              • #8
                RayAP19
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                • Oct 2006
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                Re: Incorrect Positions in 2K10

                Originally posted by CoHouse2814
                man 2k cant win in these forums but people still gone buy it. last year the ratings are too high, now with it being low people still cry.
                I think more people needlessly complain about so-called needless complaints than people actually needlessly complain about the game.

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                • #9
                  Joka2122
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                  • Nov 2008
                  • 343

                  Re: Incorrect Positions in 2K10


                  Re: Incorrect Positions in 2K10

                  As soon as the season starts, i'm pretty sure there will be an updated roster which will have everything up as current.

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                  • #10
                    Scoop 24
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                    • Aug 2002
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                    i told that 2k insider like 20 times last year Lamar is a PF.. he never made the change
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                    • #11
                      Real2KInsider
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                      • Dec 2003
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                      The sad thing is most of these are at least two years old. Garcia was a SG in 2k9, Odom a SF, etc.

                      Rasheed Wallace has started at C the last 3 years but 2K's had him listed at PF every year.
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                      • #12
                        Rockafella2x
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                        • Mar 2008
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                        Re: Incorrect Positions in 2K10

                        Anthony Randolph is in the same category he should be listed as a PF not a SF

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                        • #13
                          lv2bll
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                          • Mar 2009
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                          even this seems a little nitpicky
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                          • #14
                            Pacman83
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                            • Jun 2009
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                            Originally posted by lv2bll
                            even this seems a little nitpicky
                            Yea, i mean the game puts folk where theyre more useful ala Duncan or Sheed roaming the perimeter, spreading the offense with jumpers and then having the option of post play...and you can always change it or sub in whoever u want....

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                            • #15
                              j0nnyh
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                              • Sep 2009
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                              Re: Incorrect Positions in 2K10

                              Originally posted by CoHouse2814
                              man 2k cant win in these forums but people still gone buy it. last year the ratings are too high, now with it being low people still cry.
                              To clarify, I'm actually completely in favor of the new lower overall ratings scale. I think it theoretically does a better job of weighing players' relative contributions. I just wish 2K made a more reasonable effort to create an accurate portrayal of the league and gauged talent correctly. There's no excuse for being this far off on the positions when all the data is readily available online... and from a corporate partner no less. The player ratings are more difficult considering its a more subjective process and their overall rating calculation is essentially flawed from the get go, but nevertheless its sad how pathetically inaccurate they are. For me personally it isn't that big of a deal considering I always completely re-do the ratings, but is still a factor in online play and is just generally frustrating considering it remains a root problem for most players in anything from dealing with inaccurate gameplay to ridiculous trades in association mode.

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