What happened to Kareem, Dr. J., and C-Webb?

[VDusen04]

This is a test. If people were to look for ratings of a missing player, are these readable at all?

Chris Webber

Spoiler

ATTRIBUTES WEBBER
SI 93
SC 90
SM 72
3PT 62
FT 75
L 71
D 76
SD 97
SIT 92
OHD 70
BS 85
PASS 75
BLK 68
STL 73
HAN 93
OBD 65
OR 76
DR 84
DLP 85
OA 95
DA 88
OC 83
DC 75
CON 85
STM 85
SPD 70
Q 70
STR 86
VERT 68
HST 75
DUR 65
POT 96
EMO 99

ABILITIES
FAD G
DPU A
SPI G
STE A
RU A
HOP G
SPI G
EUR A
SIZE A
HES A
CR G
IN A
SPI A
BB G
STE A
FAD GR
HOP G
SHIM G
HOOK GR
DROP GR
DRIVE GR
SPIN GR

TENDENENCIES
ST 96
IN 74
CL 78
MID 63
3PT 5
PUT 71

DR 61

PULL 39

PUMP 50
TT 63
TTS 70
NTT 44

SD 46
SIZE 70
HES 35

DR 55

CR 60
SP 30
STE 0
HAL 0
DC 15
BB 45
HES 0
IAO 15
SD 75

AT 61
PO 38

HS 51
SP 63
EURO 15

RUN 30
FADE 62
STEP 27
SPIN 83

DUNK 75

ALLEY 82
UG 60
DF 50
ST 36

UP 15
SP 49
ISO 71
UOB 13
SOB 35
SU 35
PU 99
GAG 61
TOUCH 96

SP 95
DR 75
AB 75
LP 25
DS 75
FU 75
BD 50

PH 65
PF 30
SS 70
HS 30

FP 99
TAO 50

HF 40
TC 32
PPL 65
OBS 63
CS 57
CF 39

HOTSPOTS
3L 5
3C 5
3R 5
HPL 30
HPC 25
HPR 30

LC 7
LW 31
TA 30
RW 25
RC 7

3LC 3
3LW 14
3T 8
3RW 11
3RC 7
MLB 13
MLW 13
MC 13
MRW 13
MRB 5

RHP 23
RLP 20
LHP 23
LLP 34

SIGNATURES
SF 55
SB 4
FADE SGR
CON NORM
ESC NORM
RUN BATH
FT HUND

DPU NOR
SPI N3
HOP N3

RFL SFH
RFA SK
RSS SPU
RH SH

PF F2
PH H3
PHS NO
PSS NO

IC 7
IBB 6
IS 2
IST 1
ISOHE 3
ISIZE F2
ISC C1
ISIO BH5
ISE B4

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ('87)

Spoiler

ATTRIBUTES KAJ '87
SI 94
SC 92
SM 75
3PT 33
FT 71
L 29
D 34
SD 91
SIT 77
OHD 42
BS 50
PASS 63
BLK 70
STL 43
HAN 90
OBD 40
OR 72
DR 77
DLP 77
OA 90
DA 87
OC 70
DC 70
CON 85
STM 80
SPD 54
Q 52
STR 75
VERT 54
HST 56
DUR 82
POT 99
EMO 60

ABILITIES
FAD A
DPU P
SPI A
STE A
RU A
HOP P
SPI P
EUR P
SIZE P
HES P
CR P
IN P
SPI P
BB P
STE P
FAD G
HOP G
SHIM GR
HOOK GR
DROP GR
DRIVE GR
SPIN GR

TENDEN
ST 78
IN 70
CL 70
MID 30
3PT 0
PUT 55

DR 15

PULL 0

PUMP 17
TT 17
TTS 44
NTT 88

SD 90
SIZE 0
HES 10

DR 60

CR 5
SP 0
STE 0
HAL 0
DC 0
BB 0
HES 0
IAO 0
SD 75

AT 31
PO 41

HS 15
SP 0
EURO 0

RUN 17
FADE 29
STEP 24
SPIN 85

DUNK 45

ALLEY 40
UG 43
DF 57
ST 40

UP 0
SP 92
ISO 33
UOB 34
SOB 79
SU 8
PU 99
GAG 39
TOUCH 78

SP 35
DR 99
AB 50
LP 0
DS 65
FU 5
BD 75

PH 99
PF 0
SS 25
HS 0

FP 10
TAO 0

HF 45
TC 26
PPL 27
OBS 24
CS 60
CF 45

HOTSPOT
3L 0
3C 0
3R 0
HPL 40
HPC 20
HPR 40

LC 4
LW 33
TA 33
RW 25
RC 5

3LC 0
3LW 0
3T 0
3RW 0
3RC 0
MLB 16
MLW 24
MC 25
MRW 14
MRB 21

RHP 13
RLP 33
LHP 22
LLP 32

SIG
SF 49
SB 16
FADE SSK
CON SET STIFF
ESC STIFF
RUN BANG
FT KAJ

DPU ST5
SPI B
HOP B

RFL SHF
RFA SHF
RSS SD
RH SF

PF F7
PH KAJ
PHS B
PSS B

IC 3
IBB 2
IS 3
IST 2
ISOHE 2
ISIZE 3
ISC 2
ISIO 3
ISE 2

[spudnique]

I am a little bummed at the lack of legends focus. I was hoping for something new and unique. Dream team and 01 Sixers is nice but lacked the punch I was hoping for. I kind of think it comes down to ego for some of these retired players. "Oh Barkley got paid...how much? Oh, you need to pay me that too" kind of thing. It is also a bit strange that we can have Barkley on the Dream Team but there is no classic team. Seriously....what kind of confusing legal stuff is that?

Anyhow, I am getting more and more curious about that whole 2kShare thing people have mentioned and some sort of "Kennedy?" DLC that allowed you to add a ton of classic players to the DLC.

Can anyone break down what happened and how it worked?
Can anyone explain 2kShare? I have never seen or used it.
Will this 2kShare be an possible option for some "created" legends to fill the voids on 2K13?

Sorry for my ignorance but I think I missed a nice perk in 2k12.

[VDusen04]

Quote: Originally Posted by spudnique

I am a little bummed at the lack of legends focus. I was hoping for something new and unique. Dream team and 01 Sixers is nice but lacked the punch I was hoping for. I kind of think it comes down to ego for some of these retired players. "Oh Barkley got paid...how much? Oh, you need to pay me that too" kind of thing. It is also a bit strange that we can have Barkley on the Dream Team but there is no classic team. Seriously....what kind of confusing legal stuff is that? Anyhow, I am getting more and more curious about that whole 2kShare thing people have mentioned and some sort of "Kennedy?" DLC that allowed you to add a ton of classic players to the DLC. Can anyone break down what happened and how it worked? Can anyone explain 2kShare? I have never seen or used it. Will this 2kShare be an possible option for some "created" legends to fill the voids on 2K13? Sorry for my ignorance but I think I missed a nice perk in 2k12.

I think money is an issue. But I also think principle plays a role. Some players are just very protective with whom they lend out their name. Nike? Sure. Lender's Bagels? Maybe. Yankee Candles? Hell yes. Visual Concepts? Not so sure. Maybe the money for being on 2K doesn't match what they'd get for being one of the sole spokesmen for one of the other companies. Also, at least one legend (Barkley) brought up the fact that he usually doesn't like associating with the NBA because he doesn't like the lack of support they provide for his retired teammates (and others before him). So that's likely why he okay'd a Dream Team appearance but not classic NBA team.

Regarding filling in missing legends, I think it might depend upon what system you have. I've heard the PS3 isn't as compatible in this regard as the 360. 2KShare is simply an online roster sharing feature. To access, you'd boot up the game, go to "Features", click on "2KShare" and find the roster you desire by either searching by gamertag (of the person who made the roster) or by file name (ex: 1995). On the 360, there's a user named portlandblazer who's been cranking out incredible classic rosters for years, so I can usually search his username on 2KShare and find his latest awesome work.

Now, about the workaround last year. 2K offered a DLC midway through their release, the Legends Showcase, which took place in New York. This showcase featured dozens of classic players not included in the regular version of 2K (Alex English, Rick Barry, prime Vince Carter, etc.). 360 users (and maybe PS3) were able to find a way to shift these players from the DLC to the regular game (along with many classic jerseys unique to the DLC). This allowed the classic rosters created to be much more authentic, as a user-made '93 Suns team could then have nearly every player except for Charles Barkley, since Dan Majerle, Tom Chambers and company were in the DLC.

I think it's too early to tell what players will be unlockable by experienced game editors this year.

[VDusen04]

In case anyone feels they can make a real looking Dr. J but just does not have the attribute numbers:

Julius Erving (1977)

Spoiler

ATTRIBUTES Dr. J '77
SI 95
SC 84
SM 73
3PT 60
FT 78
L 99
D 99
SD 92
SIT 95
OHD 75
BS 81
PASS 70
BLK 76
STL 86
HAN 89
OBD 88
OR 69
DR 73
DLP 68
OA 91
DA 91
OC 94
DC 90
CON 95
STM 95
SPD 91
Q 88
STR 84
VERT 99
HST 88
DUR 95
POT 97
EMO 60

ABILITIES
FAD G
DPU G
SPI G
STE G
RU A
HOP GR
SPI GR
EUR GR
SIZE G
HES A
CR G
IN A
SPI G
BB A
STE A
FAD G
HOP G
SHIM G
HOOK G
DROP G
DRIVE G
SPIN G

TENDEN
ST 77
IN 81
CL 71
MID 68
3PT 11
PUT 80

DR 75

PULL 60

PUMP 59
TT 73
TTS 47
NTT 29

SD 21
SIZE 75
HES 45

DR 50

CR 75
SP 50
STE 38
HAL 0
DC 15
BB 53
HES 25
IAO 41
SD 51

AT 72
PO 56

HS 80
SP 81
EURO 0

RUN 26
FADE 54
STEP 50
SPIN 63

DUNK 99

ALLEY 99
UG 67
DF 60
ST 56

UP 39
SP 4
ISO 85
UOB 35
SOB 4
SU 26
PU 75
GAG 57
TOUCH 99

SP 35
DR 75
AB 40
LP 10
DS 25
FU 40
BD 40

PH 25
PF 70
SS 20
HS 90

FP 42
TAO 40

HF 25
TC 42
PPL 81
OBS 81
CS 60
CF 35

HOTSPOT
3L 17
3C 10
3R 8
HPL 16
HPC 27
HPR 22

LC 8
LW 41
TA 27
RW 17
RC 7

3LC 22
3LW 19
3T 9
3RW 8
3RC 15
MLB 7
MLW 7
MC 4
MRW 4
MRB 5

RHP 15
RLP 27
LHP 21
LLP 37

SIG
SF ERV
SB ERV
FADE JSMALLKI2
CON N
ESC N
RUN SH
FT ERV

DPU N10
SPI N2
HOP N

RFL GD
RFA SHP
RSS SQ
RH SHIGH

PF F9
PH H1
PHS N
PSS N

IC 1
IBB 5
IS 2
IST 5
ISOHE 1
ISIZE 2
ISC 7
ISIO 3
ISE 1

LAYUP ERVING
DUNK WJOHN
SD1 TP
SD2 WIND CLU
SD3 REV SWI

[Zach_Novak]

01-02 Kings without Webber is pointless... look at the year after without him.

[lsalas76]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlatantBlack

it probably has something to do with money, contracts, the league's treatment of its retired players, greed, stupid hubris ("no video game could ever do my talent justice!"), agents, or blah blah blah whatever. given their personalities (what little we think we know) Kareem isn't too big of a shocker. but Doc and Webber? those two seem very odd to me. then again back before 2k11 was released i assumed both Charles and Reggie would jump at the chance to be in the game; i was obviously wronger than wrong. hah "wronger"

Quote: Originally Posted by VDusen04

I think that's the long and short of it. My personal theory is 2K maxed out on legends in 2K12. I think they were probably able to get some folks to sign last year they likely wouldn't have had a chance to pick up for any other edition, just because there was a primary legend focus last year. For instance, we hand't seem Kareem in years prior to 2K12. Now that the smoke's cleared, I think it's unavoidable that some stars either weren't satisfied with their likeness, didn't care for the money received, or felt they did 2K the favor 2K requested and now would like to go back to not being involved with making more money for the NBA by lending their likeness.

Quote: Originally Posted by VDusen04

I think money is an issue. But I also think principle plays a role. Some players are just very protective with whom they lend out their name. Nike? Sure. Lender's Bagels? Maybe. Yankee Candles? Hell yes. Visual Concepts? Not so sure. Maybe the money for being on 2K doesn't match what they'd get for being one of the sole spokesmen for one of the other companies. Also, at least one legend (Barkley) brought up the fact that he usually doesn't like associating with the NBA because he doesn't like the lack of support they provide for his retired teammates (and others before him). So that's likely why he okay'd a Dream Team appearance but not classic NBA team. I think it's too early to tell what players will be unlockable by experienced game editors this year.

yeah for all these reasons stated above in the previous posts is most likely why these players are not in. I am disappointed that they are not in but what can we do. It may or may not have been 2k's fault. Well at least the game was executive produced by Jay-z and his name will be all over the game and at least we'll get to play as Justin Bieber, and all that beats out not having Jabbar, Dr. J, and C-Web.

[Goffs]

Quote: Originally Posted by VDusen04

In case anyone feels they can make a real looking Dr. J but just does not have the attribute numbers: Julius Erving (1977) Spoiler ATTRIBUTES Dr. J '77 SI 95 SC 84 SM 73 3PT 60 FT 78 L 99 D 99 SD 92 SIT 95 OHD 75 BS 81 PASS 70 BLK 76 STL 86 HAN 89 OBD 88 OR 69 DR 73 DLP 68 OA 91 DA 91 OC 94 DC 90 CON 95 STM 95 SPD 91 Q 88 STR 84 VERT 99 HST 88 DUR 95 POT 97 EMO 60 ABILITIES FAD G DPU G SPI G STE G RU A HOP GR SPI GR EUR GR SIZE G HES A CR G IN A SPI G BB A STE A FAD G HOP G SHIM G HOOK G DROP G DRIVE G SPIN G TENDEN ST 77 IN 81 CL 71 MID 68 3PT 11 PUT 80 DR 75 PULL 60 PUMP 59 TT 73 TTS 47 NTT 29 SD 21 SIZE 75 HES 45 DR 50 CR 75 SP 50 STE 38 HAL 0 DC 15 BB 53 HES 25 IAO 41 SD 51 AT 72 PO 56 HS 80 SP 81 EURO 0 RUN 26 FADE 54 STEP 50 SPIN 63 DUNK 99 ALLEY 99 UG 67 DF 60 ST 56 UP 39 SP 4 ISO 85 UOB 35 SOB 4 SU 26 PU 75 GAG 57 TOUCH 99 SP 35 DR 75 AB 40 LP 10 DS 25 FU 40 BD 40 PH 25 PF 70 SS 20 HS 90 FP 42 TAO 40 HF 25 TC 42 PPL 81 OBS 81 CS 60 CF 35 HOTSPOT 3L 17 3C 10 3R 8 HPL 16 HPC 27 HPR 22 LC 8 LW 41 TA 27 RW 17 RC 7 3LC 22 3LW 19 3T 9 3RW 8 3RC 15 MLB 7 MLW 7 MC 4 MRW 4 MRB 5 RHP 15 RLP 27 LHP 21 LLP 37 SIG SF ERV SB ERV FADE JSMALLKI2 CON N ESC N RUN SH FT ERV DPU N10 SPI N2 HOP N RFL GD RFA SHP RSS SQ RH SHIGH PF F9 PH H1 PHS N PSS N IC 1 IBB 5 IS 2 IST 5 ISOHE 1 ISIZE 2 ISC 7 ISIO 3 ISE 1 LAYUP ERVING DUNK WJOHN SD1 TP SD2 WIND CLU SD3 REV SWI

Skill signature set?

[cjquatro]

I'd rather play as Bieber then Dr.J. Seriously.

I'd trade Bow Wow for C-Webb though