Are Console Developers Doing Enough to Punish Cheaters?

MMChrisS · 03-19-2009, 01:21 PM

Gamers who have some experience playing PC games are undoubtedly familiar with Valve Corporation and its homegrown anti-cheat client.

Valve's innovative "VAC" (Valve Anti-Cheat) has gone through two iterations -- the marginally successful VAC1 and the industry-leading VAC2 -- since its implementation into the classic online shooter, Counter-Strike, way back in 2002.

The service has done so well that, if one was to name any of the most popular PC shooters right now (Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress 2, Counter-Strike, etc.), there is a good chance that it is being "watched over" by Valve's VAC client.

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Methlab · 03-19-2009, 02:57 PM

GReat article. But from a guy who is about to purchase NHL09, should I pass? Is the online unplayable, because that is all I care about.

wEEman33 · 03-19-2009, 03:24 PM

NHL '09 has been cheater-free since the patch that came out a few weeks ago, so you don't have worry about them affecting your online experience.

2 or 3 months ago, however, it was a totally different story; the game was, as the article says, unplayable due to the rampant cheating.

For EA to completely ignore the impact that those cheaters had on the online experience during that time is a disservice to all the honest players in the game's community.

The Sim God · 03-19-2009, 04:14 PM

i like this article

if they cheat ban that ps3/xbox SERIAL NUMBER from going online.

even if you make another account (free ps3, 50 on xbox lvie) you will NOT be able to play online on the system that you cheated on.

imagine if little timmy cheats and got Timmy Sr ps3 banned online.

MassNole · 03-19-2009, 05:03 PM

So what happens then if you buy a used system of a cheater? No XBL or PSN for you?

sb24 · 03-19-2009, 05:51 PM

Well once we get those websites that sell guides to glitching games (just saw maddens), the developers should be able to stop that. If you have a guy showing you that they make the qb stand in front of the line by doing xxx, then you should be able to stop that. I dont program games, but going off released patches, they can correct errors after the game was shipped. I know you will never catch everything, but when there a guide on how to glitch, cant you put things in place to stop those glitches?

goh · 03-19-2009, 06:07 PM

They're doing too much offline and not nearly enough online wich is why I don't even bother playing online. All the people I marked with bad rep on XBL nearly all still have a 5 star rep.

Matt Diesel · 03-19-2009, 07:13 PM

I dont understand the mentality of video game cheaters. What does it provide them? How exactly is it fun to cheat? It takes away the whole purpose of the game. 'Game' being the operative word here.

wEEman33 · 03-19-2009, 07:36 PM

The mentality is "win at all costs"--only winning matters--that's what people are taught these days.

And because there are no "costs" when it comes to cheating in console gaming, the cheater's mentality prevails.

As many parents as are content to let video games raise their kids these days, maybe it's time for the console developers to realize that they need do a little parenting themselves and teach these kids a lesson about integrity.

Cheating needs to have "costs," otherwise, it will continue to dominate and ruin the online experience for people who play their games the right way.

CreatineKasey · 03-19-2009, 09:18 PM

You hit the nail on the head with the entitlement generation. It seems like so many youth in this generation feel entitled to everything without earning it. Along with this they fail to abide by powerful values that guided our society for centuries. It saddens me to see this attitude and I really strive to not be associated with it, as I'm only 22 and am within this "spoiled brat" generation.

03-19-2009, 01:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
MMChrisS Steve says I'm Pitiful OVR: 52 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 1,227	Are Console Developers Doing Enough to Punish Cheaters? Gamers who have some experience playing PC games are undoubtedly familiar with Valve Corporation and its homegrown anti-cheat client. Valve's innovative "VAC" (Valve Anti-Cheat) has gone through two iterations -- the marginally successful VAC1 and the industry-leading VAC2 -- since its implementation into the classic online shooter, Counter-Strike, way back in 2002. The service has done so well that, if one was to name any of the most popular PC shooters right now (Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress 2, Counter-Strike, etc.), there is a good chance that it is being "watched over" by Valve's VAC client. Read more - Are Console Developers Doing Enough to Punish Cheaters?

03-19-2009, 05:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
sb24 Pro OVR: 19 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 992	Re: Are Console Developers Doing Enough to Punish Cheaters? Well once we get those websites that sell guides to glitching games (just saw maddens), the developers should be able to stop that. If you have a guy showing you that they make the qb stand in front of the line by doing xxx, then you should be able to stop that. I dont program games, but going off released patches, they can correct errors after the game was shipped. I know you will never catch everything, but when there a guide on how to glitch, cant you put things in place to stop those glitches?

03-19-2009, 06:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
goh All Star OVR: 22 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 6,587	Re: Are Console Developers Doing Enough to Punish Cheaters? They're doing too much offline and not nearly enough online wich is why I don't even bother playing online. All the people I marked with bad rep on XBL nearly all still have a 5 star rep. __________________ Nov. Buy list: Dragon Age Origins Rent list: Band Hero,Lego Rock Band,NCAA 10,Assassin's Creed II, Karaoke Revolution Gaming hate list: Sony (everything I bought from them broke PS3 included),2K "sim" baseball,Sony again (no Show),Gamestop (exclusives when not everyone has a Gamestop)

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03-19-2009, 02:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Methlab MVP OVR: 13 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,442	GReat article. But from a guy who is about to purchase NHL09, should I pass? Is the online unplayable, because that is all I care about.

03-19-2009, 03:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
wEEman33 Pro OVR: 25 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 926	NHL '09 has been cheater-free since the patch that came out a few weeks ago, so you don't have worry about them affecting your online experience. 2 or 3 months ago, however, it was a totally different story; the game was, as the article says, unplayable due to the rampant cheating. For EA to completely ignore the impact that those cheaters had on the online experience during that time is a disservice to all the honest players in the game's community.

03-19-2009, 04:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
The Sim God Banned OVR: 16 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: FORT LAUDERDALE, FL PSN:DonVCorleone Posts: 510	i like this article if they cheat ban that ps3/xbox SERIAL NUMBER from going online. even if you make another account (free ps3, 50 on xbox lvie) you will NOT be able to play online on the system that you cheated on. imagine if little timmy cheats and got Timmy Sr ps3 banned online.

03-19-2009, 05:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
MassNole The Eskimo Spy Ferret OVR: 62 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In a state of paranoia Posts: 15,652	So what happens then if you buy a used system of a cheater? No XBL or PSN for you?

03-19-2009, 07:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
Matt Diesel football withdrawal OVR: 19 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pittsburgh,PA Posts: 1,365	I dont understand the mentality of video game cheaters. What does it provide them? How exactly is it fun to cheat? It takes away the whole purpose of the game. 'Game' being the operative word here.

03-19-2009, 07:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
wEEman33 Pro OVR: 25 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 926	The mentality is "win at all costs"--only winning matters--that's what people are taught these days. And because there are no "costs" when it comes to cheating in console gaming, the cheater's mentality prevails. As many parents as are content to let video games raise their kids these days, maybe it's time for the console developers to realize that they need do a little parenting themselves and teach these kids a lesson about integrity. Cheating needs to have "costs," otherwise, it will continue to dominate and ruin the online experience for people who play their games the right way.

03-19-2009, 09:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
CreatineKasey MVP OVR: 42 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,978	You hit the nail on the head with the entitlement generation. It seems like so many youth in this generation feel entitled to everything without earning it. Along with this they fail to abide by powerful values that guided our society for centuries. It saddens me to see this attitude and I really strive to not be associated with it, as I'm only 22 and am within this "spoiled brat" generation.