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Originally Posted by funnyfiggy (Post 2044575886)

1. I can say anyone is a good defender. Just because someone defends a position doesn't mean they defend it well. Regardless, I agree he is a good defender, not a lockdown defender.

2. Stats by themselves do not reflect anything, particularly when a player averages 4.4 assists to 2.7 turnovers. That is a player who should be recognized as a player capable of running an offense?

3. I will admit I was wrong. 63 overall is reasonable for Leonard. I just assumed offensive awareness jacked up overall. It certainly does for point guards.

1. Batum has given Rose/CP3/Dirk/LeBron fits

2. Am I saying he's a PG? No. His current 44 pass rating is severely underrated. He's been magnificent with his distribution since a few weeks back. He does initiate the offense a great deal. He's starting to pass... a lot and the CPU won't play that way unless he's given the "Point Forward" notion. Heck if I wanted to give him the correct play style it'd be "all around" however he wouldn't distribute with how it's coded now.

3. I don't deal in overalls. I want my Blazers to play as they do in real life at the moment.

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

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Originally Posted by Batum Shaka Laka (Post 2044575957)

1. Batum is an overrated defender because of his steals and blocks numbers. With Batum on the court, the Trailblazers allow 109.1 points per 100 possessions. With him off the court, the Trailblazers allow 103.9 points per 100 possessions. They allow 5.2 points points less when Batum is off the court. Does that really strike you as a player capable of locking down the opponents's top scoring option.

2. His turnovers come from bad passes, not handling the ball. 43 of them were bad passes, while only 21 were ball handling, roughly a 2:1 ratio, while the average point guard has roughly a 3:2 ratio, which shows that Batum does not pass the ball at a great clip because more of his passes are off their mark.

3. Overall should factor into your decision making process because it is crucial for Association mode, which I can only assume you do if you use edited rosters.

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Originally Posted by funnyfiggy (Post 2044576144)

1. So one player guards five? Lol one of the worst uses of statistics I've ever seen. Overrated? Ha! That's why Stott's and McMillan both trusted him to defend the opposing teams top scorer? But hey armchair OS user, you know more than they do.

2. Where's your source? 2:1 3:2 not much of a difference simply just the volume of pass attempts? Batum is yet again at it tonight even pulling "Rubios".

3. No, not really. A player playing as they play in real life is MUCH more important than a players cumulative overall rating.

Also Batum is the ONLY player in the entire NBA in the top 40 of steals/assists/blocks/rebounds/points categories! Speaks to how well rounded he truly is.

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

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Originally Posted by Batum Shaka Laka (Post 2044574846)

Portland Changes needed!

Lillard "Closer"

Batum "Lockdown defender"

J.J Hickson "Hustle Points"

Wesley Matthews "Scrapper"

Attribute changes:

J.J. Hickson (73-78 OVR):

Shot inside from 91 to 93

Offensive Rebounding from 80 to 87

Defensive rebounding from 73 to 89

Low post offense from 68 to 71

Post hook from 59 to 75

Low post defense from 64 to 72

Defensive Awareness from 64 to 70

Nicolas Batum (79-80 OVR):

Play style "Point Forward"

Shot 3pt from 85 to 83

Pass from 44 to 74

On-ball defense from 82 to 85

"Play pass lane" tendency from 69 to 81

Meyers Leonard(59-63 OVR):

Free throw from 73 to 88

Offensive rebound from 68 to 73

Defensive rebound from 64 to 68

Offensive awareness from 38 to 61

Commit foul tendency from 58 to 70

Contest shot tendency from 62 to 71

Wesley Matthews (77-78 OVR):

Shot inside from 77 to 79

Shot close from 77 to 81

Shot medium from 67 to 74

Shot 3pt from 84 to 86

Free throw from 86 to 74

Shoot in traffic from 63 to 65

Bro this is a sig skill "what should be added". The OP NEVER said anything about ratings. C'mon man. You know better. If you are gonna post this stuff post it in the 2k insider thread that was made for him/her/ghost. Or in your very own Portland trailblazer "2k hates portland, change this rating" thread.

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Originally Posted by iRepIndiana (Post 2044576284)

Just trying to get it out there for the insider to see.

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

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Originally Posted by Batum Shaka Laka (Post 2044576188)

When did we start talking about well rounded? I thought we were talking about point forward and defense.

1. If a player can lockdown a team's top scoring option, than the team will score less points because their top scoring option will be inefficient. So if Batum was actually shutting down a top scoring option, than the points opposing teams were scoring would be less, not more. Players who are lockdown defenders make their team's defense better, not worse.

2. Stat gotten off of 82games.com The issue is that his turnovers are off of bad passes, not handling the ball. Point guards have good ball handling skills, so logically considerably more of their turnovers would come off of bad passes than ball handling mistakes. Batum with his lesser ball handling skills makes more bad passes compared to ball handling turnovers than the average point guard.

Therefore, Batum is a considerably lesser passer because he has a higher ratio of bad passes to bad ball handling than the average point guard. Basically, this means that despite being an inferior ball handler, he still turns the ball over more by bad passes than bad ball handling, which equates to bad passing.

Also, do not be so dismissive of the difference between 2:1 and 3:2. 2:1 is 33% worse, so a sizable difference.

3. I can see how we disagree here. I don't play online much, mostly association mode. I want young players to sim accurately, and I care considerably less how they perform when I control them.

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

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Originally Posted by gator3guy (Post 2044575574)

I guess you could give Evan Turner corner specialist if you knock down his 3 point rating. Looking back that's probably how they should have done it. He has to get the Scrapper sig though. I think this is a must. Statistically, he is one of the best, if not the best, rebounding guards of all-time!!! They also need to give him the ability to push the ball after a rebound (I forget what its called). He almost always pushes the ball after a rebound, not to mention he plays the point sometimes.

I completely agree with everything you said up there. The sig skill you might be referring to for Turner would be Break Starter . I thought of that before too but it seems pretty useless. I haven't seen anyone with that sig skill except Lamar Odom. lol.

Plus, I think these players need a "Yes" in the Play Initiator part.
Evan Turner
Carmelo Anthony
JJ Redick
Andre Iguodala
Manu Ginobili
Kevin Durant
Paul Pierce

More signature skill suggestions:
Jrue Holiday - Finisher
Spencer Hawes - Spot Up Shooter (lol but looking like he deserves it lately.)
Jared Sullinger - Scrapper
Chris Paul - Lockdown Defender (I'd replace the Oop.)
Greivis Vasquez - Dimer
Anthony Davis - Hustle Points
Derrick Favors - Bruiser