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Old 08-06-2010, 12:14 AM   #17
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Re: Wilt Chamberlain better than Jordan?

If both of these players were coming out of college/high school today I would take Chamberlain every day of the week.

Doesn't answer the question but comparing players who never played against each other is always hypothetical.
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Old 08-06-2010, 12:46 AM   #18
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Re: Wilt Chamberlain better than Jordan?

Chamberlain played in an era where the best in the nation or world wasnt playing in the league. Although foreign player werent all over the league in Jordan era like they are now Jordan still played in an era where the greatest athletes in the nation played hoops.
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:41 AM   #19
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Re: Wilt Chamberlain better than Jordan?

wilt is not the best player ever for reasons far simpler than his own talents, the quality of his teammates or the quality of his competition. wilt did not value winning over his own statistical pursuits. it's why he stopped playing defense when he was in foul trouble. it's why he pursued scoring despite the crippling effect it had on his team. it's why he lacked killer instinct.

wilt himself said winning simply didn't mean that much to him, especially when compared to russell.

jordan would have wilted him.
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:52 AM   #20
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Re: Wilt Chamberlain better than Jordan?

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Cross comparing eras FTL.
Regardless of the era, Wilt was a supreme athlete. He had a beautiful, dominating game and even ran track in college:

"He ran the 100-yard dash in 10.9 seconds, put the shot 56 feet, triple jumped more than 50 feet, and won the high jump in the Big Eight track and field championships three straight years."


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He could score in a number of different ways, pass, rebound, and block shots. Of course, he was also a ball hog and an a**hole, but so was Jordan.
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Old 08-06-2010, 03:19 AM   #21
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Re: Wilt Chamberlain better than Jordan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MQiELR_MxE

'Nuff said, Jordan was better, look at the video, pretty deep stuff.
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Old 08-06-2010, 09:24 AM   #22
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Wilt accomplished every possible feat in the NBA. I doubt he could've done muck more than the insane statistics he put up. Winning didn't always come first for him, unfortunately a lot of players have thought the same way. Yet, he still won two championships and led two of the all-time best teams.



Winning cures all wounds. I'm sure had Wilt won more championships people wouldn't look at his accomplishments/attitude so negatively. Plenty of championship winning players have had a "me-first" attitude at some point in their career, such as Kobe Bryant, Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan and Hakeem Olajuwon, but they didn't have the greatest winner ever (Russell) and the greatest dynasty in NBA history in their way every season. Maybe he should have relinquished some of the scoring duties earlier in his career, but that wouldn't have guaranteed anything against Russell, Cousy, Havlicek, Heinsohn, Sharman, etc.
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Old 08-06-2010, 09:28 AM   #23
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Re: Wilt Chamberlain better than Jordan?

people are making too many excuses for wilt. he got worse the bigger the stage got, as his playoff averages went down across the board aside from rebounds. he did not play defense when he was in foul trouble because of his fixation on never fouling out. he was not a player you wanted to rely on in the clutch or with high stakes. he was a polarizing figure in every locker room he ever entered. he admitted that winning wasn't that big a deal to him. and the notion that his teammates were inadequate or not as good as russell's is a myth.

i'm not knocking him, obviously i think he's one of the 10 best players to ever play basketball, but people are making excuses for him like he played with scrubs or has gotten a raw deal for what he accomplished. you can't be the best if you never wanted to be the best.
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Old 08-06-2010, 10:36 AM   #24
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Back then there were not as many skilled basketball players as there are today. Basketball was a relatively young sport, and the best players then were head and shoulders above their peers. To get an idea of the talent gap, think about the Original Dream team versus the world.

In many respects, it was like having several professional athletes playing league ball at a local YMCA. The pros will be able to do virtually anything they want to do. Even then, a few of the regular guys will be able to put up some numbers. But they will need more shots to get these numbers, which will drive down the overall shot percentages. If the major stars of that era had their shooting percentages taken out of the equation, I am sure the league FG percentages would be much worse than they already are.

The pace of game can be attributed to an emphasis on passing and fast breaking vs. less sophisticated defenses and offenses. There was not as much dribbling then, as there is now. There were not many strong ball handlers. The defenders were allowed to be more physical, but with defensive schemes being less team oriented, it was easier for a physically superior player to absorb the initial contact and make a play.

In essence, it is like playing that older, slower guy at the YMCA. You can get past him at will. His only defense is to wrap you up or hack you.

Wilt was a physical marvel for the time. He was also one of the only players that was really into working out. He was the most dominant individual of his era. Taller, stronger, faster than everyone else at his position, it was like a man playing with boys.

Jordan's peers played at a higher level than Wilt's. Jordan faced a bevy of players that were closer to him in athletic ability, basketball savvy, and competitive nature than Wilt ever did. The problem for them, is that Jordan was the only person that was able to package everything into a 6'6 frame.

Putting them into each other's era would most likely see Jordan's numbers sky rocket, as there would be even less people to keep up with him physically. Wilt would still be good, but he would have to get used to having to combat taller, faster, and stronger centers.

Since Wilt was already a strong user of weight training and the exercise science of the time, the workouts of today would only marginally increase his physical prowness.

Jordan, on the other hand would be one of the only ppl in the NBA using weights as part of his basketball regimen.

As it stands, Micheal Jordan was able to do more with his ability than Wilt, and was tested more by his peers. His mental ability allowed him to rise above all challengers.

Wilt was the most dominant player of his time, but he was unable to find a way to consistently use his superior gifts to help his team win.

While Wilt had more of a clear cut advantage over his peers, teamwise he did much less over his career. As such, he has to be considered a bit of an underachiever.

No one expected Micheal Jordan to be as great as he was. He willed himself to greatness. His will to win drove him to overachieve.

In the end, the difference is competitive nature. Jordan wanted it more than Wilt. He made winning his obsession. This, and only this is the reason why I feel safe saying that MJ was the greater player.
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