MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

[MLB Bob]

Quote: Originally Posted by turkeybird86

Do you people watch baseball at all? How is Votto not a 99 but Pujols is? What was Pujols BA last year? .285? What was Votto's? Oh yeah .337. How about OBP? Votto lead the leauge with .474. Pujols? .343. He barely got on base as well as Votto hit. Votto's WAR was a win higher, and he missed 50 games. Idiots.

Wow awesome way to make your point, that swayed my opinion...thumbs up Im glad you set us all straight.

It might be that in the Algorithm takes into account a lot of things, like Pujols much better K% and typically better power numbers, less games missed, better ISO. other than one great year, Pujols matched or did better than Votto over the last 3 years, and that was 2010...there are legitimate reasons...and hey feel free to rerate your favorite guy to what you want...

Just checking the stats I checked Pujols contact% compared to Votto...since they use contact as a rating and not AVG..Pujols blows Votto away..Guessing 1 basemen are ranked by Power first, other batting stats second with durability, arm and defense being last...Votto maybe becoming the better all round player but the stuff that is being considered more heavily, Pujols pretty much wins it..

[SoxFan01605]

Quote: Originally Posted by mmorg

Did anybody ever complain about "too many full red bar players" in previous years?

Yes, although the argument came in a slightly different form ("why is Adrian Gonzalez rated the same as Pujols!?!"- this from 09 or 10, I believe, with Ramone having to explain that 2 players with a full bar aren't necessarily equal). It's far worse now though, simply because people have harder "proof" that ratings are "wrong."

Personally, I've never cared about the overall number. My question is "do the ratings translate well on the field and in simulation?" If the answer is yes, a game can rate them in roman numerals for all I care. All I know is that Votto, Pujols, Trout, et al. will likely put up numbers pretty damn comparable to real life...I have several years of this game's history to back me up on that.

[3fiddy]

I like the number ratings , it saves time comparing bars (analog to digital ) comes to mind. Lets face it guys we don't keep the ratings they give us anyway (OSFM). So I'm not looking too deep into the overalls. They will change when Knight and crew are finished. I heard the ratings guy for madden talking one time ab how he had to paint a picture of the league with the ratings. Would anyone select Colorado for a franchise besides the diehard Rockie fans ?? Would you if you had 2-99s to trade away for prospects ?? Plus they got a 2 in 25 shot at winning an Exhibition game. That's how I make my peace.

We don't know how to calculate overall yet
So and so is better
Well my team will be centered around power , defense , and young pitching Knights gonna get us a good roster and figure out the bs in between

[turkeybird86]

Quote: Originally Posted by MLB Bob

Wow awesome way to make your point, that swayed my opinion...thumbs up Im glad you set us all straight. It might be that in the Algorithm takes into account a lot of things, like Pujols much better K% and typically better power numbers, less games missed, better ISO. other than one great year, Pujols matched or did better than Votto over the last 3 years, and that was 2010...there are legitimate reasons...and hey feel free to rerate your favorite guy to what you want... Just checking the stats I checked Pujols contact% compared to Votto...since they use contact as a rating and not AVG..Pujols blows Votto away..Guessing 1 basemen are ranked by Power first, other batting stats second with durability, arm and defense being last...Votto maybe becoming the better all round player but the stuff that is being considered more heavily, Pujols pretty much wins it..

You're right. Who cares about things like OBP and AVG when we can look at contact %. Votto has one of the best line drive percentages in the game. He was on pace to demolish the doubles record before he got injured. He hits the ball "dead on" better. Yeah, Pujols hits more HRs, whoop de doo. How did those Angels do last year with all those HR's? Oh yeah, couldn't even make the playoffs.

[MLB Bob]

Quote: Originally Posted by turkeybird86

You're right. Who cares about things like OBP and AVG when we can look at contact %. Votto has one of the best line drive percentages in the game. He was on pace to demolish the doubles record before he got injured. He hits the ball "dead on" better. Yeah, Pujols hits more HRs, whoop de doo. How did those Angels do last year with all those HR's? Oh yeah, couldn't even make the playoffs.

No one said OBP and AVG isnt important, but where is the AVG attribute? or the OBP attribute...did I miss it? I know theres a contact attribute so logically youd use that..no? 1B is a power position so yes HRs are a big deal. And so what if Votto was on PACE for a doubles record..he got hurt and didnt..cant rewrite history or say that anything is for sure...and one player doesnt make a team. Votto got it a lot...A LOT easier with Pujols out of the division and is playing against better teams on a more consistent basis so no need to compare...but if you want to live in the fantasy world that a video game should rate players only on the cherry picked stats for your favorite player thats fine..the rest of us use perspective and allow a little leeway..cause its a video game..that can be edited. Cherrio mate

[seanjeezy]

Ummm... the contact rating in-game is derived from a player's batting average so technically Votto has been better than Pujols in that department... Pujols has more power and perhaps a slightly better glove so his superiority is justified IMO.

[WarningTrackPower]

Sorry if this has been asked:

Seeing that a player's overall is partially based on the position they play, how would a utility (an utility?? sounds funny haha) player be rated. I assume the overall rating would be based off of their primary position. Do secondary positions come into play at all? Was David Ortiz rated as a DH or a first baseman?

I'm just curious is all. I'm not huge ratings guy. For the most part I know who's good and who's not.

[MLB Bob]

Quote: Originally Posted by seanjeezy

Ummm... the contact rating in-game is derived from a player's batting average so technically Votto has been better than Pujols in that department... Pujols has more power and perhaps a slightly better glove so his superiority is justified IMO.

Just because your AVG is derived from contact doesn't mean many other attributes do not affect avg. so comparing contact to contact shouldn't be wrong

I get what you're saying, but the contact rating increases the size of the PCI. AVG in game is affected by discipline(AI or human) vision(AI or human) power (power rating) so correlating contact% with a larger PCI seemed like a better fit for me. When I do my own ratings I do %'s of several of these stats to make a contact rating..the algorithm used, Im sure it is more complex than AVG=Contact in The Show.