Madden NFL 15 Trailer and Screenshots - Player Sense 2.0

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxFan01605

Heh...I did a double take when I saw who responded to that CB. Welcome back! (I don't post that often anymore, so my apologies if I'm behind the curve on you reemergence). Anyway, you may be right...although I'm hesitant to trust Madden AI with such concepts. As long as it all works without being cheap though, I guess it doesn't matter much. We'll see.

It's a fair concern.

It's not unrealistic for a DB to break before a ball is thrown in anticipation but with computer programming involved you never know.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxFan01605

Heh...I did a double take when I saw who responded to that CB. Welcome back! (I don't post that often anymore, so my apologies if I'm behind the curve on you reemergence). Anyway, you may be right...although I'm hesitant to trust Madden AI with such concepts. As long as it all works without being cheap though, I guess it doesn't matter much. We'll see.

Thanks for the welcome!

I'm hesitant as well to give them the benefit of the doubt that the AI will work in a way that doesn't feel cheap/robotic/or "cheating".

[The JareBear]

Am I wrong or were "disguised coverages" something that were supposedly added to the game a couple years ago? Maybe I have it mixed up here.

The video looks pretty good. Would like to know that "Coach Sense" has been improved too, in regards to CPU play calling and game management.

[kjcheezhead]

All in all not too bad considering wr/db interaction wasn't worked on much. The vid shows alot of aggressive db play, but the wrs attempts look half hearted still. That Jordy Nelson curl route was my least favorite. He leans back away from the ball and let's the db undercut him. He should attack the ball and lean into the pass. Not run back 5yards toward the line of scrimmage like they do now, but lean in and go after it.

[friscob]

Better pass rush, better coverage, reduced qb accuracy .... im excited. Now give me some franchise info already!

[noplace]

Looked like classic mirroring to me and the animations look really bad..

[RexDEAFootball]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

I'm wondering if they are trying to simulate a DB reading the QB's eyes, at least that is how I took it. That line had me scratching my head as well.

Actually this came from Cortez Allen from the Pittsburgh Steelers and Stevenson Sylvester from the Buffalo Bills. We had both guys down here for a week working with us on coverage. They explained to us that in zone coverage, they break as soon as they see the QB locks his shoulder to throw. We scale break time by the zone coverage rating, so you will really only see this from 90+ rated zone coverage defenders.
Trust me we are well aware of psychic DB concerns and this will NOT be in the game.

[SoxFan01605]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

It's a fair concern. It's not unrealistic for a DB to break before a ball is thrown in anticipation but with computer programming involved you never know.

I agree. If that is indeed the concept (getting a good read/jump, so to speak), I'd think that would be better suited towards the play recognition rating or, better still, a separate trait related to DB aggressiveness to make it a risk/reward based system (i.e. a higher rated defender is more likely to make the right jump vs a lower rated guy).

Tying it towards the coverage rating itself (and making such reaction a product of higher rated defending) is what I'm concerned with since it would seem to eliminate the risk of making a bad jump and merely make such early reads the norm for high rated defenders).

Hopefully further details explain it better and can allay my concerns.

EDIT: This was posted while I was typing:

Quote: Originally Posted by RexDEAFootball

Actually this came from Cortez Allen from the Pittsburgh Steelers and Stevenson Sylvester from the Buffalo Bills. We had both guys down here for a week working with us on coverage. They explained to us that in zone coverage, they break as soon as they see the QB locks his shoulder to throw. We scale break time by the zone coverage rating, so you will really only see this from 90+ rated zone coverage defenders. Trust me we are well aware of psychic DB concerns and this will NOT be in the game.

That sounds like a reasonable explanation. I'll be interested to see how it's executed, thanks!