07:07 PM - August 25, 2010 by blackflash83
This video explains what Real AI will bring to the table in NBA Elite 11.
NBA Elite 11 News Post
07:07 PM - August 25, 2010 by blackflash83NBA Elite 11 Videos
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Hopefully this years game can bring that extra layer of depth. Besides I really like going into the academy and working on different aspects of my game was cool to do.
This time around it may actually be a key to success too with everything being so skill driven which is exactly how I would want it to be anyway.
First let me say I am very hopeful about this game. I enjoyed Live 08-10.
I could be wrong here, but I really haven't seen any physics in this game. Every video we have seen has shown sliding where there should be physics, or no effect on a players momentum when there should be.
Did I miss a video where the physics were more apparent?
I could be wrong here, but I really haven't seen any physics in this game. Every video we have seen has shown sliding where there should be physics, or no effect on a players momentum when there should be.
Did I miss a video where the physics were more apparent?
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I guess we are going to have to wait for either the demo or an extended 5on5 video to see how much of an effect the physics can have on the game though..
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I will say that even if they aren't great this year, I still applaud them for going this route. Its definitely something they can build on, and the direction sports games should be going.
I wouldn't group sliding and physics together though. rEAnimator posted a couple times that a bug was resulting in the physics and the footplanting systems fighting each other.
I wonder more about the AI. What is Krstic doing in that play at the end where Durant dunks? His man is getting ready to help on Durant, he should be ready for a dump off or positioning for rebound. At the very least he should be paying attention to the play. Instead he's looking off to the bench, maybe setting a pointless screen. Nevermind that Kaman's block attempt is the same disappointing jump straight in the air nowhere near Durant challenge that was in previous years.
@YM, Demo is probably still 2 weeks off at the earliest, that's practically an eternity on these boards. 3 if you're on XBL Silver.
I wonder more about the AI. What is Krstic doing in that play at the end where Durant dunks? His man is getting ready to help on Durant, he should be ready for a dump off or positioning for rebound. At the very least he should be paying attention to the play. Instead he's looking off to the bench, maybe setting a pointless screen. Nevermind that Kaman's block attempt is the same disappointing jump straight in the air nowhere near Durant challenge that was in previous years.
@YM, Demo is probably still 2 weeks off at the earliest, that's practically an eternity on these boards. 3 if you're on XBL Silver.
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"Real AI"? judging by the video, it just sounds like a fancy term for a long two-player animation sequence. you know, the stuff everybody's been complaining about the past couple of years in bball video games...
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Rocboyz101 @ 08/25/10 09:41 PM
Im kinda at a lost for words with that dunk around the 1 min mark..
I can't begin to understand how one comes to the conclusion that REAL AI is a "long two-player animation sequence".
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rEAnimator @ 08/25/10 10:03 PM
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1. Real AI has nothing to do with animations. It's essentially recording joystick inputs and playing them back on AI controlled players when the player is in the same situation as when the inputs were recorded.
2. There is nothing two player about REAL AI. REAL AI sequences are played back on only one player at a time, in this case, the CPU ball carrier.
I'm sure stepsix will be in here shortly to answer all the questions in detail as this was one of his big features for the year.
Basically, when you are playing against Kevin Durant in the game when he has the ball it will be as if you're playing an online game against him since he recorded all the moves in all the contexts based on how he would want to play.
But you can still steal the ball, or interrupt what he's doing, and he can still change sequences at any time to react to what you're doing.
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Huh? It sounds nothing like that
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dirtypuppet @ 08/25/10 10:26 PM
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rEAnimator @ 08/25/10 10:37 PM
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The real innovation from a gameplay standpoint is in the system that detects the context in the game and matches it to the context in a recording.
From a technical standpoint though, mocapping these sequences as animations would be impossible both from a money standpoint and a memory standpoint.
It is financially prohibitive to fly out every NBA star to do massive amounts of moves in all possible situations.
And from a memory standpoint it is absolutely impossible to fit that much animation on current generation consoles.
By recording inputs, we can record 100 times more data for all the contexts needed, and do that for 1000 times more players than if it was animation.
We can also get people to mimic real life player tendencies a lot easier by using the joystick, and in the case of Kevin Durant, get the real life players to do it.
Hopefully that clears things up.
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dirtypuppet @ 08/25/10 10:44 PM
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1:09-1:16 was quite interesting. Thats some serious leaping ability with a defender in front of you.
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As an example, if a player tends to pull up when challenged on a drive, if he's mid-drive and someone gets in his lane, synergy will influence him to 'shoot'. Real AI then acts at a lower level, looking to see where the defense is, what sequences a player has, and then pick the best one. It might select a cross-over -> step-back -> jumper, or spin move -> leaner, depending on the defense and what type of player it is.
These are recorded sequences played back on cpu players, so in that sense they are scripted. There are a number of aspects that make them organic in nature though. Firstly, they are playing back on a dynamic animation system. If a sequence has a spin, but you cut it off, the animation will not just plow through you. It also looks at where the defender currently is relative to the recorded sequence, and he's too far out of position, it can break out and choose a different sequence. In that sense it is just as dynamic as the underlying animation system, and with the two systems combined you get some really cool and varied behaviour.
We've never had something like this for performing moves - it has always been 'hard-coded' as to when to do a cross-over vs spin move, and it ends up looking very generic. In addition chaining moves into relevant combos was non-existent.
This isn't just signature stuff, this encompasses every move performed by the AI. More prominent players get their own specific sequences, but we also have sets for power post players for example, as well as even more generic "what to do when a user is trapping in the back court" type stuff. So far we have thousands of sequences, and at this point in the project, if we see a situation that needs a new one, we just record it and throw it into ANT.
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