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More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Pippen, Love, Davis, Ellis, Waiters and Iggy

04:41 PM - August 28, 2012 by Steve_OS

2K Sports has revealed more NBA 2K13 player ratings for 6 more players.

Scottie Pippen - 92
Kevin Love - 89
Anthony Davis - 80
Monta Ellis - 86
Dion Waiters - 71
Andre Iguodala - 87

Previously revealed NBA 2K13 player ratings below.

Kobe Bryant - 93
Carmelo Anthony - 92
Rajon Rondo - 90
Kevin Durant - 95
Blake Griffin - 87
Harrison Barnes - 75

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# 141 BlakkMajik3000 @ 08/29/12 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nokstar


	You're typing too much for nothing..I don't care if he would or wouldn't be the player he is with Jordan or without him ..I'm saying the player he is ...is not worth a 92 overall rating. He was a great player but not superstar material. In my book you arent worthy of a 90+ rating unless you are a superstar player. If we giving players like pippen a 92 then we are messing up the rating scale....there's only room for 8 points difference between him and the "perfect" player. The difference in play between Jordan/Kobe/lebron and pippen is well worth more than 6 or less points I'm sorry. Lebron averaged "prime" pippen numbers in his rookie season almost....21..5..6....playing with a bottom of the barrel cavs team at 19 years of age. Pippen didn't sustain anything over 20 points for like 7 years after his best statistical season...literally everything went down year after year...lebron is on year what...10 or 11? We don't even know if he's reached his prime yet and has already much better of a stud than pippen and your going to tell me pippen in his prime is a 92? If pippen at his best is a 92 than lebron has to be 105 when its all said and done...the rating scale is rendered off at that point. I hate that I even have to debate this because pippen is one of my favorite players and this whole thing gives off the impression to others that I don't like him or something...I'm just realistic. Your going to bring up pippen taking the bulls to the playoffs a random season compared to lebron doing that every year of his career pretty much...from the arguable worst team in the league to where's he's at now? Cmon man.. Here's a test for you..where do YOU put pippen on a top 20 list OF ALL TIME that you've watched play? Sent from my Verizon Galaxy S3

That's the thing though, in his prime, Pippen was a superstar player. However, you tend to get overlooked when you're playing with someone like Jordan.

If we're going top 20 of all time, limiting it to those I've watched play, he is in the top 5, and definitely my favorite SF of all-time.

# 142 iLLosophy @ 08/29/12 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeC


	Sorry rick...but he shot the 3 like he was an 87-88 3pt shooter.

This is one point where I don't agree with you on the Iggy argument. Guys who are 87-88 3pt shooters make a lot of contested threes. Don't get me wrong, he nailed open 3's, but 88 and above is for guys who can nail 3's with a hand in their face. Those weren't the type of shots Iggy was making his money off of.

# 143 Thunder Storm @ 08/29/12 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by iLLosophy


	This is one point where I don't agree with you on the Iggy argument. Guys who are 87-88 three 3pt shooters make a lot of contested threes. Don't get me wrong, he nailed them, but 88 and above is for guys who can nail 3's with a hand in their face. Those weren't the type of shots Iggy was making his money off of.

bingo.

This is where contested shot comes into play. 2K knows what they're doing, don't worry about the raw rating, other things will factor in and balance it out.

# 144 hoi514 @ 08/29/12 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BezO


	I believe you & others are putting too much into the stats. I'm looking at the skill set. Pippen & LeBron have a very similar skill set. Many times the stats have as much to do with the team make up as a player's skill. Quite a few of Pippen's teammates were 6'10-7'0. Giving up rebounds to them doesn't take away from his rebounding skill. IMO, he could score in more ways than LeBron because he could play in the post. But he played along side MJ, the best scorer of his generation. Giving up points to him doesn't take away from his scoring ability. Playing along side Jordan probably took away from his assist numbers too since MJ handled the ball so much & created much of his own shots. And I don't care what the numbers say. Pippen was a much better defender than LeBron is. IMO, he's the best perimeter defender of all time. On ball, playing the lanes, defending the post, coming from the weakside, chase down blocks, full court pressure on PGs... he did it all, consistently. *Edit: What individual ratings would you give LeBron over Pippen, and by how much? They try to put together teams now instead of grabbing all the best players... rebounders, defenders, 6th men, shooters, etc. That was not the case in '92. Outside of Laettner, that team was made up of the best players in the league at the time. There were no Chandlers, Hardens or Iguodalas on the original Dream Team. Isaiah got snubbed. Stockton should not have been on that team ahead of him. But no one is complaining about Pippen taking a more deserving player's spot. And I'm not aware of anyone turning down a spot on the original Dream Team.

it was totally different era, at the time when NBA teams drew bad blood. Isiah Thomas could've made Dream Team based on talent alone BUT inclusion of him would hurt the chemistry when number of players refused to have him on the team included Jordan, K Malone, Magic Johnson, etc.

The best team assembled does not necessary putting 12 best players together. Skill set of these players need to be compatible and address teams needed. If not, Boozer would not been included in Redeem Team.

I have no problem with Chris Mullin on the Dream Team because that team needs an sharp shooter like him. In additional, he was a pretty good team defender and had almost 2 steal per game . The committee chose Christian Laettner instead of Shaq because of his ability to knock down perimeter shot and Laettner was NCAA champ. Dream Team did not need Shaq on the team to play against that level of competition. It might be different issue were 92 Dream Team is built to beat 2012 Team USA .

Anyways, Scottie Pippen is the best wing defender of all time. No questions about it. He may not be an elite offensive players but he is an ultimate team player who could make teammates involved in the game.

# 145 hoi514 @ 08/29/12 08:24 PM

get over it.... young fans think they are watching the best in NBA in this era... when the rules are favor to offensive players... it disrupt the flow of the game. Today's player is soft... just little contact... and that's called a FOUL..? David Stern deserved the blame ..... the rule encourage players to play on perimeter and discourage tough player work under baskets....

# 146 J_Posse @ 08/29/12 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by thuglife74


	you all need to realize pipp played in a much tougher era. i'd bet he could contend with lebron's numbers if he were in today's game and probably even surpass him. i am not impressed with today's nba. it's cool to discuss it and all, but don't complain because you CAN change the numbers.

No, Pippen wouldn't be able to exceed LeBron's current production. LeBron is bigger, faster, stronger and is a more natural scorer. Other than one-on-one perimeter defense, there isn't a thing on a basketball court that Scottie Pippen can do better than LeBron James.

# 147 rangerrick012 @ 08/29/12 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeC


	Sorry rick...but he shot the 3 like he was an 87-88 3pt shooter.

You dint know if that's bc teams left him open bc they don't think of him as a 3pt threat tho. The problem w 2k12 was contested shots going in too much, and guys like Dahntay Jones being rated as 3pt specialists. You put AI at 89 using 2ks scale and he'd be nearly unstoppable our three, which he is not.

To me 89/90 range should only be guys like Dirk who may not have high pct bc they take more, but can still kill you out there if hot. I wouldn't put Andre in that category, since it could be a 1 yr fluke due to him taking less 3s.

Edit: I see illosophy already mentioned the contested shot factor, good looks lol

# 148 Colts18 @ 08/29/12 09:31 PM

I believe reputation should be factored into ratings. Iggy shot a nice % from 3 last year. But he still isn't known as a shooter. Until year after year he shows that he can perform on that level, he shouldn't be rated the same way pure shooters are rated from deep.

85+ is for shooters. Iggy is not that. His reputation has to knock down that "earned" rating by a few points.

# 149 VDusen04 @ 08/29/12 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts18


	I believe reputation should be factored into ratings. Iggy shot a nice % from 3 last year. But he still isn't known as a shooter. Until year after year he shows that he can perform on that level, he shouldn't be rated the same way pure shooters are rated from deep. 85+ is for shooters. Iggy is not that. His reputation has to knock down that "earned" rating by a few points.

I'm not sure how I feel about that one. I'm not saying I disagree, but I'm not sure if I agree either. My initial thought is, if a player has a great shooting year, it should be reflected in that rating, reputation or not. For instance, Richard Hamilton shot about 30% from the arc between '03 and '05. He then worked on that shot and led the league in three point percentage in '06. I don't feel his previous shortcoming should reflect how good of a shooter he'd become.

# 150 Colts18 @ 08/29/12 09:54 PM

So if Kyle Korver shoots 30% for one year, he should be rated the same as someone that routinely shoots around the 30% mark? Everything he has done in the past shouldn't be considered?

# 151 TheBrooklynBaller @ 08/29/12 10:00 PM

I'm a die hard Bulls fan... For you guys saying Pippen doesn't deserve a 92 rating you must be out of your mind. Pippen was hands down the best man to man defender on the team and Jordan will admit to that because the majority of his steals came from intercepting passes in the lanes. Pippen guarded the best player on the other team night in and night out. He guarded Magic in the first finals they won... You guys who doubt Pippen tell me who else could have guarded Magic?? He don't put up scoring numbers because he was the facilitator in the triangle offense... With Jordan and most of the PG's sitting on the outside to shoot threes all day as the teams always had a heavy influence of shooters like Paxson, Hodges, Armstrong and Tucker. Pippen almost lead the Bulls back to a Finals appearance in Jordan's absence of it wasn't for that phantom call on Hubert Davis, we might be talking about Pippen having 7 rings. Is he the greatest?? No... But he was one of the greatest all around players in NBA history just for the fact that he changed the game with defense and being a point forward. If you didn't witness it first hand then you really don't value what type of player Pippen was, he was part of one of the greatest duos in history with Jordan. Pippen is one of those guys who's career numbers shouldn't be reflective of what he was... A top 50 player of all time for what he contributed to those 6 Chicago Bulls championships.

# 152 eko718 @ 08/29/12 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nokstar


	He was going against those players playing alongside the greatest player of all time..he DID NOT have the scoring load and pressure on him

I don't understand your point here. It seems that "scoring" is the focal point of your argument. riddle me this;

In his 14 year career, Magic Johnson averaged over 20 points only 4 times. The highest of those seasons he averaged 24 ppg. In fact, with the exception of assists, Magics numbers were very similar to Pippen's numbers. Magic Johnson also played with the NBA's all time leading scorer Kareem Abdul Jabbar, who by many is considered the greatest center of all-time.

By your logic, it would appear that because Magic didn't have the "scoring load and pressure on him" in that he played with the greatest center of all time and a Hall of Fame small forward in James Worthy, that this somehow diminishes his greatness as a player. Is that what you are suggesting?

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	..lebron has had this load his entire career minus two years...there is NO comparison. Playing alongside the greatest player of all time >>>>>>>>>>>leading a team that had the worst record in the league after he left to multiple playoffs and finals as the leading scorer and facilitator.

How did Lebron get into the conversation and what is the relevance of Lebron vs. Pippen? First of all, the guy will likely be rated 98 overall, so I don't see the connection. Secondly, numbers are meaningless if you don't win.

Lebron is my guy because he's on my team, but how can you venture to diminish Pippen's accomplishments because he played with Jordan without diminishing Lebron's for playing with Wade and Bosh? Please tell me what it was exactly Lebron accomplished before coming to the Heat? Sure he led the Cavs to the Finals...and got swept. Sure he led them to the playoffs, so did Pippen 2 consecutive seasons during Jordan's retirement.

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	And yes. I grew up watching pippen and Jordan's ENTIRE career...I am 30 years old.

I'm sure you did. But what you are saying suggests you really didn't pay attention. Lest you forget, Jordan accomplished little more than scoring titles in the league before Pippen came to the Bulls. Jordan has Pippen to thank for those rings, the same way Shaq has Kobe to thank, Isaiah Thomas has the bad boys to thank, Magic Johnson has Kareem and Worthy to thank and the list goes on.

# 153 Nokstar @ 08/29/12 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eko718


	I don't understand your point here. It seems that "scoring" is the focal point of your argument. riddle me this; In his 14 year career, Magic Johnson averaged over 20 points only 4 times. The highest of those seasons he averaged 24 ppg. In fact, with the exception of assists, Magics numbers were very similar to Pippen's numbers. Magic Johnson also played with the NBA's all time leading scorer Kareem Abdul Jabbar, who by many is considered the greatest center of all-time. By your logic, it would appear that because Magic didn't have the "scoring load and pressure on him" in that he played with the greatest center of all time and a Hall of Fame small forward in James Worthy, that this somehow diminishes his greatness as a player. Is that what you are suggesting? How did Lebron get into the conversation and what is the relevance of Lebron vs. Pippen? First of all, the guy will likely be rated 98 overall, so I don't see the connection. Secondly, numbers are meaningless if you don't win. Lebron is my guy because he's on my team, but how can you venture to diminish Pippen's accomplishments because he played with Jordan without diminishing Lebron's for playing with Wade and Bosh? Please tell me what it was exactly Lebron accomplished before coming to the Heat? Sure he led the Cavs to the Finals...and got swept. Sure he led them to the playoffs, so did Pippen 2 consecutive seasons during Jordan's retirement. I'm sure you did. But what you are saying suggests you really didn't pay attention. Lest you forget, Jordan accomplished little more than scoring titles in the league before Pippen came to the Bulls. Jordan has Pippen to thank for those rings, the same way Shaq has Kobe to thank, Isaiah Thomas has the bad boys to thank, Magic Johnson has Kareem and Worthy to thank and the list goes on.

I appreciate pippens ability...but I don't think he's a 92.

If pippen is a 92...magic is 97 at least...lebron is magic on steroids.

All I'm saying is if you give pippen a 92..that leaves a bunch of players basically with the same rating that shouldn't be. There's too many players better than pippen for him to be a 92...that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Seems to me you guys want to make his defense all the reason why he is a 92. I bring up points because lebron does what he does better (besides on ball defense) and scores more with the entire focus of the opposing team on him for most of his career...I refuse to believe pippen is only 6 or less points worse than lebron assuming he is a 98 in this game...he's definitely not a 99.

Sent from my Verizon Galaxy S3

# 154 Colts18 @ 08/29/12 10:25 PM

With Magic Johnson's defensive inabilities and lack of athleticism if he was honestly rated there is no way he would even crack a 90. But he is an all time great so the casuals couldn't be able to accept that.

# 155 eko718 @ 08/29/12 10:54 PM

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	If pippen is a 92...magic is 97 at least...

You don't understand the rating system it sounds like. And this is the ill-logic that arbitrary focus on overall ratings without understanding the mechanics that undergirds them produces.

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	All I'm saying is if you give pippen a 92..that leaves a bunch of players basically with the same rating that shouldn't be. There's too many players better than pippen for him to be a 92...that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Doesn't matter if a bunch of guys have a 92. Overall is just a cumulative reflection of individual ratings. Overalls reflect the skill of the individual. It should not be an if-then proposition. If Lebron is rated this, then Kobe is rated that, then D Wade is rated this, etc.

Feel free to stick to your story, we are all entitled opinions but unfortunately, your story has a shaky plot.

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	I refuse to believe pippen is only 6 or less points worse than lebron assuming he is a 98 in this game...he's definitely not a 99.

Again, these are the type arbitrary statements that reveal a lack of understanding for how the rating system works. Too many people here rate on emotion rather than reality.

# 156 Thunder Storm @ 08/29/12 11:05 PM

they need to get rid of overall ratings and replace it with grades or stars or something ... I just saw someone say Magic should be 97 because Pippen is 92.

so basically in 2012 there are 2K fans who STILL don't understand that the ratings are just a formula, and the overall is not relative to stardom.

# 157 stillfeelme @ 08/30/12 12:47 AM

Iggy gets no respect. He was an 86 in 2K12 he went up by one in 2K13 to 87. He is not a selfish player looking to jack shots up. That is probably one of his negatives and he doesn't drive enough to get to the freethrow line. He is probably the second best passing SF in the league. I would call him the ideal 2nd tier player because he can play off the ball, play solid defense and score without plays designed for him. Denver would be a good fit for him, uptempo and he can feed other players if need be.

# 158 youALREADYknow @ 08/30/12 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Storm


	they need to get rid of overall ratings and replace it with grades or stars or something ... I just saw someone say Magic should be 97 because Pippen is 92. so basically in 2012 there are 2K fans who STILL don't understand that the ratings are just a formula, and the overall is not relative to stardom.

No need to remove the rating. I'd rather remove the social value of baseless opinions instead. Learn to ignore the noise unless it's backed by actual evidence.

It doesn't matter whether you use stars, grades, 25-99, or 1-10 because people will always find a way to compare and contrast. It's human nature.

# 159 ojandpizza @ 08/30/12 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by iLLosophy


	Neither has lebron

LeBron at this point is by far a better player than Pippen IMO

# 160 ojandpizza @ 08/30/12 01:27 AM

I have no idea why everyone is complaining.. Those are not terrible ratings for the majority of players mentioned.. Why don't some of you stop reading stats and percentages and actually watch some damn games.. C'mon

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