03:11 PM - November 3, 2013 by Steve_OSQJB checks in with his final Madden NFL 25 next-gen video. Hopefully EA Sports will start showing true gameplay on a standard camera angle this week.
Thoughts?
Madden NFL 25 News Post
03:11 PM - November 3, 2013 by Steve_OSQJB checks in with his final Madden NFL 25 next-gen video. Hopefully EA Sports will start showing true gameplay on a standard camera angle this week.
Thoughts?
Madden NFL 25 Videos
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What do these private conversations you've had prove anything? You've been saying this stuff for years. Why would we start believing you now?
Where is the proof? Where is the gameplay?
You can say you heard this or you heard that all day long and it isn't going to proove anything despite your belief that it should.
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Boilerbuzz @ 11/03/13 11:57 PM
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Boilerbuzz @ 11/04/13 12:03 AM
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Boilerbuzz @ 11/04/13 12:29 AM
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The JareBear @ 11/04/13 12:38 AM
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Haven't heard that before.
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I played gameday on PS1, 2K on PS2 and then was left with no choice but to start playing Madden. My thoughts, there needs to be another option for football fans. Doesn't even have to be NFL for me just another option for folks that enjoy to play football games. How can I get pumped for a new system when the game the sport that I wish to play most is represented by a company that hasn't even shown concern to putting out a quality product? EA is not a very good representation of the NFL, but since the actual players of the league are some pretty questionable characters, I guess its congruent.
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I'll just say this, I was told that if competition doesn't come back before Madden 15 releases, that another developer will have a seriously hard time trying to compete. You guys have no idea where this games about to go, this team has some serious plans for next gen. Don't kid yourself and think you're seeing everything they have in mind right now. I know they have to prove it, but until the game releases and people see it, they can't prove it, but it's coming.
I can't wait to visit these forums after M15 releases, people will be floored. Here in a few weeks some people will start to catch the vision once they play M25 next gen, but this is nothing compared to what's coming.
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TexasFan2005 @ 11/04/13 08:34 AM
One of the things that has always been concerning regarding EA Sports is the fact that they group all of their games together, like saying that each game shares "Ignite," "Living Worlds," etc.... This makes each game serve as a marketing tool for all others. For example, for someone who doesn't know any better, a person sees FIFA next gen on a screen at a major retailer, sees the crowd animations and atmosphere, then sees a box of Madden 25 with the same "Ignite" logos on it and says "hey, I love NFL Football, why not get an NFL representation of what I'm seeing here in FIFA. Here's my $60."
They need to individualize each of their sports games and give each its own flavor.
They need to individualize each of their sports games and give each its own flavor.
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Yup, I'm convinced we won't see 11V11 before release because people will be absolutely convinced it's the exact same as current gen.
EA won't take that risk of hurting their sales
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EA won't take that risk of hurting their sales
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In the NBA you have 12-15 player models per team, in the nfl you have 50-60 player models per team, you have 15-25k fans in NBA stadiums vs 70-100k in the NFL.
I think if 2k made a soccer game that would be a better comparison, especially with the stadium size. The NFL and football in general is just much more detailed than basketball and there's a lot more happening at once.
That doesn't take away from what NBA 14 team accomplished, I'm just saying its at a much smaller scale.
What I don't understand and would like an explanation on , probably from you, jp, since you've got your sources...
Why is everything else untouched?????
I can get myself to understand and tolerate the fact that M25 on next gen won't be such a breakthrough because of time/novelty limitations with the new consoles. Thus the team might have chosen to "lay the foundation" for future iterations....
But why da F is everything else the same... EA has always made it clear that they have different teams working on different aspects of the game; heck, they use it as an excuse not to answer questions "I don't know, that's not my department, that's a presentation issue..."
How come all the stat banners and presentation aspects look untouched... couldn't they have laid the foundation for the future in this area as well? What was the presentation department doing all this cycle? Please answer me that.
Where is the person/department in charge of providing us with up to date equipment such as gloves, mouthpieces, helmets, sleeves....? Were they working on gameplay then? or even worst all presentation efforts went into rendering each blade of grass?
There WILL NEVER BE a better chance for them to update player models, NEVER! and they passed on it... with the excuse of wanting to get other gameplay related things right first... what does a player model have to do with gameplay improvements... it's not like they're coding the game based on gameplay view... they code the game based on cgi'd dots and figures... both things can and should be developed simultaneously.
What is gonna be the excuse when CFM is exactly the same as CG?
Again, I can tolerate slow and gradual gameplay improvements... but where are the improvements to other areas? If you're gonna tell me that all their presentation efforts went into "living worlds" and what we've seen is what we're gonna get in M25 then you might as well realize that it's gonna take them damn well over an extra year to improve those other aspects of the game.
Bottom line is: You can't use one argument as an excuse and then disregard that same argument when it doesn't work for you.
If you have different departments working on each aspect of the game.. we should see improvements on each aspect of the game!
Why is everything else untouched?????
I can get myself to understand and tolerate the fact that M25 on next gen won't be such a breakthrough because of time/novelty limitations with the new consoles. Thus the team might have chosen to "lay the foundation" for future iterations....
But why da F is everything else the same... EA has always made it clear that they have different teams working on different aspects of the game; heck, they use it as an excuse not to answer questions "I don't know, that's not my department, that's a presentation issue..."
How come all the stat banners and presentation aspects look untouched... couldn't they have laid the foundation for the future in this area as well? What was the presentation department doing all this cycle? Please answer me that.
Where is the person/department in charge of providing us with up to date equipment such as gloves, mouthpieces, helmets, sleeves....? Were they working on gameplay then? or even worst all presentation efforts went into rendering each blade of grass?
There WILL NEVER BE a better chance for them to update player models, NEVER! and they passed on it... with the excuse of wanting to get other gameplay related things right first... what does a player model have to do with gameplay improvements... it's not like they're coding the game based on gameplay view... they code the game based on cgi'd dots and figures... both things can and should be developed simultaneously.
What is gonna be the excuse when CFM is exactly the same as CG?
Again, I can tolerate slow and gradual gameplay improvements... but where are the improvements to other areas? If you're gonna tell me that all their presentation efforts went into "living worlds" and what we've seen is what we're gonna get in M25 then you might as well realize that it's gonna take them damn well over an extra year to improve those other aspects of the game.
Bottom line is: You can't use one argument as an excuse and then disregard that same argument when it doesn't work for you.
If you have different departments working on each aspect of the game.. we should see improvements on each aspect of the game!
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From a business stand point in terms of revenue and revenue streams you're saying EA is going to deliver a better product in the future (one that they have yet to deliver) while using less resources and regardless of how good the game is, will result in a smaller bottom line. No NCAA Football for the forceable future which means any R&D done for football will now only benefit one game instead of two. The majority of critics here have still purchased Madden, as they have been for the last decade and the reason I'm pointing this out is because the fundamental flaws being pointed out here are not necessarily going to translate into to marketing material which in turn will not generate new sales. My point here being that outside of Tiburon purely wanting to take pride in their job's, there is no real financial incentive for EA to invest in creating a better product.
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