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RabbitHole Sliders

Posted on July 5, 2017 at 08:08 AM.

Mlb Spring training sliders soon!

Peace

Greetings!

I have done slider sets for nhl, madden, and the show for countless years now without publishing them. The truth is not every user is the same skill level.(I'm A+ when it comes to pitching and a C- when it comes to hitting) Thus one set just doesn't fit em all. That is why I'm working on this project. I've always thought of sliders as a sort of rabbit hole where your just barely almost perfectly set up, but not. So I decided to do a set and would love it if you boys could post some results as I will be doing as well. I took the averages of 7 operation sports guys including myself and created the set with the intent of tweaking when a proper sample set has been established. Please download this set and post your results you can find the sliders in the vault as...

RabbitHole

The following threads are created by the users I used to input the data...

*Fenwaymac 2017 Variety Hitting and Scoring Sliders are really good sliders and I use them frequently, however, I omitted them due to wanting to limit the amount of data to crunch

TNK MLB 2017 SLIDERS
TNK MLB 2017 SLIDERS

Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 17 Timed/Classic Simulation All-Star Slider
Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 17 Timed/Classic Simulation All-Star Sliders

Mike Lowe MLB The Show '17 Sliders
Mike Lowe MLB The Show '17 Sliders

Stats-Based CPU Sliders [MLB 17 Version]
Stats-Based CPU Sliders [MLB 17 Version]

Cycloniac's TrueSim MLB 17 Sliders
Cycloniac's TrueSim MLB 17 Sliders

Miamikb 2017 Mlb The Show Mom sliders
Miamikb 2017 Mlb The Show Mom sliders

Note: I added my own slider set into the averages they were...
5,7,5,3,5,7,5,5,6,4,4,4,2,4,4,3,3,5,6,5,4,5,6,5,5, 5,5,3,4,6,3,3,6,5,8,10,10

While these are the averages its important to note personal play style and the complexity of statistics, here's the verdict...

Settings:

In terms of strike zone, balks, and hot zones being on or off its really a wash. However, a slight edge goes to sim based play so no hot zones or strike zones. The same applies to type of hitting/pitching etc. For example, analog vs pulse or zone vs directional are a wash, personal preference. All aspects of fielding are similar

Hitting Difficulty: All-Star
Pitching Difficulty: All-Star
Fielding Difficulty: All-Star

*presentation is on you

SLIDERS
Dynamic Difficulty Sensitivity

Human:

Contact_6_6
Power_7_7
Timing_4.14_4
Foul Frequency_2.85_3
Solid Hits_5_5
Starter Stamina_6_6
Reliever Stamina_5.14_5
Pitch Control_4.28_4
Pitcher Consistency_6.14_6

CPU
CPU Contact_5_5
CPU Power_5.42_5
CPU Timing_4.28_4
CPU Foul Frequency_3_3
CPU Solid Hits_4.57_5
CPU Starter Stamina_5.42_5
CPU Reliever Stamina_4.71_5
CPU Pitcher Control_5.28_5
CPU Pitcher Consistency_4.57_5
CPU Strike Frequency_4.71_5
CPU Manager Hook_5_5
CPU Pickoffs_4.71_5

Other
Fastball Pitch Speed_5.14_5
Offspeed Pitch Speed_5.71_6
Fielding Errors Infield_7.71_8
Fielding Errors Outfield_6.71_7
Throwing Errors Infield_7.71_8
Throwing Errors Outfield_7.57_8
Fielder Run Speed_3.28_3
Fielder Reaction_3.42_3
Fielder Arm Strength Infield_5.28_5
Fielder Arm Strength Outfield_4.57_5
Baserunner Speed_4.28_4
Baserunner Steal Ability_5.57_6
Baserunner Steal Frequency_6.14_6
Wind_5_5
Injury Frequency_7.42_7
Trade Frequency: This should be adjusted according to schedule. Start at ten during spring training and decrease by 2 per month

Cincinnati Reds Depth Chart - 2018

Catcher
Devin Mesoraco
Tyler Stephenson
Chris Okey
Rob Brantly

First Base
Joey Votto
Rhys Hoskins
Gavin LaVelley

Second Base
Jose Peraza
Dilson Herrera
Brandon Dixon

Third Base
Nick Senzel
Taylor Sparks
Conor Gillaspie
Alex Blandino

Shortstop
Corey Seager
Alfredo Rodriguez
Blake Trahan
Calten Daal

Left Field
Jesse Winker
Tyler Goeddel
Angelo Hidalgo
T.J. Friedl

Center Field
Billy Hamilton
Arismendy Alcantara
Phil Ervin
Isaiah White

Right Field
Jorge Soler
Taylor Trammell
Aristides Aquino
Adrian Padilla

Starting Pitcher
Felix Hernandez
Julio Teheran
Steven Matz
Amir Garrett
Brent Honeywell
Tony Santillan

Relief Pitcher
Adam Chambers
Nick Neidhert
Brandon Finnegan
Marcos Valdez
Michael Lorenzen
Jimmy Herget

Closer
Raisel Iglesias
Tanner Scott

Designated Hitter
Angelo Hidalgo

GAME DETAILS
AWAY Cardinals 3
HOME Reds 4
Great American Ball Park
(550 ft elevation)October 12, 2017
Attendance: 42,319 (100% capacity)

BOXSCORE
Team/Gamer 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Cardinals/(CPU) 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 3 7 0
Reds(OuttaNaptown) 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 1 4 9 0

ST LOUIS CARDINALS

BATTER AB R H RBI BB SO HR AVG

Diaz, SS 4 1 1 0 0 1 0 .250
Fowler, CF 4 0 2 1 0 1 0 .500
Thames, 1B 4 0 0 0 0 2 0 .000
Grichuk, LF 4 0 1 0 0 3 0 .250
Gonzalez, 2B 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 .250
1-Wong, PR-2B 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Piscotty, RF 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 .000
Oh, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Duke, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
a-Adams, PH 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 .000
Cecil, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Gyorko, 3B 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Molina, C 3 1 2 1 0 0 1 .667
Wainwright, P 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 .000
Lyons, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Santana, RF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

Totals 33 3 7 3 0 11 1

Pitcher IP H R ER BB SO ERA
Wainwright 5.0 6 3 3 2 1 5.000
Lyons 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
S. Oh 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Z. Duke 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 .000
Cecil (L, 0-1) 0.1 2 1 1 0 0 27.000

Totals 8.1 9 4 4 2 1

CINCINNATI REDS

BATTER AB R H RBI BB SO HR AVG
Hamilton, CF 4 1 2 1 0 0 0 .500
Peraza, 2B 4 0 1 1 0 0 0 .250
Seager, SS 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 .250
Votto, 1B 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 .250
Winker, RF 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 .000
Senzel, 3B 3 1 2 0 1 0 0 .667
Mesoraco, C 4 0 1 2 0 0 0 .250
Hidalgo, LF 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1.000
Schebler, LF 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Stroman, P 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
a-Alcantara, PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Chambers, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
b-Brantly, PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Scott, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Valdez, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Iglesias, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

Totals 32 4 9 4 2 1 0

Pitcher IP H R ER BB SO ERA
Stroman 4.0 2 1 1 0 5 2.000
Chambers 3.0 2 0 0 0 4 .000
Scott (H, 2) 0.2 1 1 1 0 0 6.000
Valdez (H, 2) 0.1 1 0 0 0 1 .000
Iglesias (W, 1-0) 1.0 1 1 1 0 1 4.000
Totals 9.0 7 3 3 0 11

GAME SUMMARY
Inning 9:
Cardinals batting. Iglesias pitching. Grichuk struck out on a slider low and in. Gonzalez tripled to left. Adams pinch hit for Duke. Wong pinch runs for Gonzalez. Adams sacrificed to Iglesias (1-3 SH). Wong scores. Honeywell in bullpen. Gyorko grounded out to Iglesias (1-3).
Runs: 1 Hits: 1 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 10 Runners Left On: 0

Reds batting. Rosenthal in bullpen. Wong substituted for Gonzalez. Cecil pitching. Winker popped out to Molina (P2). Siegrist in bullpen. Senzel doubled to left. Mesoraco lined to left for a single. Senzel scores.*
Runs: 1 Hits: 2 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 5

Inning 8:
Cardinals batting. Scott pitching. Iglesias in bullpen. Molina grounded out to Peraza (4-3). Santana flied out to Schebler (F7). Diaz doubled to left. Valdez pitching. Cingrani in bullpen. Fowler grounded to center for a single. Diaz scores. Thames struck out chasing a fastball high and in.
Runs: 1 Hits: 2 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 16 Runners Left On: 1

Reds batting. Duke pitching. Hamilton flied out to Fowler (F8). Cecil in bullpen. Peraza bunted out to Gyorko (5-3). Seager grounded to center for a single. Votto grounded out to Thames (3U).
Runs: 0 Hits: 1 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 7 Runners Left On: 1

Inning 7:
Cardinals batting. Gonzalez was called out on strikes looking on a fastball high and in. Piscotty grounded out to Senzel (5-3). Gyorko grounded out to Seager (6-3).
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 10 Runners Left On: 0

Reds batting. Oh pitching in a double switch with Santana batting. Mesoraco grounded out to Diaz (6-3). Schebler grounded out to Thames (3-1). Brantly pinch hit for Chambers. Brantly grounded out to Gonzalez (4-3).
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 8 Runners Left On: 0

Inning 6:
Cardinals batting. Lorenzen in bullpen. Cingrani in bullpen. Diaz grounded out to Seager (6-3). Fowler hit to right for a single. Thames flied out to Winker (F9). Grichuk struck out chasing a low curveball.
Runs: 0 Hits: 1 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 9 Runners Left On: 1

Reds batting. Lyons pitching. Valdez in bullpen. Votto flied out to Grichuk (F7). Duke in bullpen. Winker grounded out to Thames (3U). Senzel grounded out to Diaz (6-3).
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 5 Runners Left On: 0

Inning 5:
Cardinals batting. Chambers pitching. Piscotty struck out swinging late at a high fastball. Gyorko popped out to Senzel (P5). Molina grounded to left for a single. Wainwright struck out chasing a fastball high and in.
Runs: 0 Hits: 1 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 21 Runners Left On: 1

Reds batting. Oh in bullpen. Lyons in bullpen. Hamilton tripled to center. Peraza flied out into a double play (F7-2 DP). Hamilton out. Seager struck out chasing a curveball low and in.
Runs: 0 Hits: 1 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 9 Runners Left On: 0

Inning 4:
Cardinals batting. Schebler substituted for Hidalgo. Thames grounded out to Peraza (4-3). Grichuk struck out chasing a curveball low and away. Gonzalez grounded out to Votto (3U).
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 8 Runners Left On: 0

Reds batting. Votto grounded to center for a single. Winker walked. Senzel walked. Mesoraco grounded out to Diaz on a deflected hit (6-3). Votto scores. Winker advances to 3rd. Senzel advances to 2nd. Bowman in bullpen. Schebler reached first on fielder's choice (1-2 FC). Winker out. Senzel advances to 3rd. Alcantara pinch hit for Stroman. Alcantara flied out to Grichuk (F7).
Runs: 1 Hits: 1 Walks: 2 Errors: 0 Pitches: 16 Runners Left On: 2

Inning 3:
Cardinals batting. Molina homered to left.* Wainwright struck out chasing an outside fastball. Diaz was called out on strikes looking on a fastball low and in. Fowler struck out on a fastball high and in.
Runs: 1 Hits: 1 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 13 Runners Left On: 0

Reds batting. Chambers in bullpen. Hidalgo grounded and deflected off shortstop Diaz for a single. Stroman bunted out to Gyorko (5-3). Hidalgo advances to 2nd. Hamilton doubled to left. Hidalgo scores. Hidalgo was injured, replaced by Schebler. Peraza lined to right for a single. Hamilton scores.* Seager grounded into a double play (4-6-3 DP). Peraza out.
Runs: 2 Hits: 3 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 8 Runners Left On: 1

Inning 2:
Cardinals batting. Grichuk grounded to left for a single. Gonzalez popped out to Seager (P6). Piscotty flied out to Hamilton (F8). Gyorko popped out to Mesoraco (P2).
Runs: 0 Hits: 1 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 12 Runners Left On: 1

Reds batting. Votto lined out to Gyorko (L5). Winker flied out to Fowler (F8). Senzel tripled to right. Mesoraco flied out to Fowler (F8).
Runs: 0 Hits: 1 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 16 Runners Left On: 1

Inning 1:
Cardinals batting. Stroman pitching. Diaz grounded out to Peraza (4-3). Fowler popped out to Mesoraco (P2). Thames struck out chasing a high fastball.
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 11 Runners Left On: 0

Reds batting. Wainwright pitching. Hamilton grounded out to Thames (3U). Peraza flied out to Piscotty (F9). Seager grounded out to Wainwright (1-3).
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 8 Runners Left On: 0

* Go-Ahead Play

UMPIRES
HP: Eric Summersgill. 1B: Freddie Ferguson. 2B: Joe MacDonald. 3B: Carl Dixon.

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AWAY Cardinals 0
HOME Reds 4

Great American Ball Park
(550 ft elevation)October 12, 2017
Attendance: 42,319 (100% capacity)

BOXSCORE
Team/Gamer 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Cardinals/(CPU) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 1
Reds(OuttaNaptown) 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 3 X 4 6 0

ST LOUIS CARDINALS
BATTER AB R H RBI BB SO HR AVG
Diaz, SS 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 .250
Fowler, CF 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 .000
Piscotty, RF 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 .000
Thames, 1B 4 0 0 0 0 3 0 .000
Grichuk, LF 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 .500
Gonzalez, 2B 3 0 1 0 1 0 0 .333
Gyorko, 3B 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 .000
a-Adams, PH-3B 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 .000
Molina, C 3 0 2 0 0 1 0 .667
1-Wong, PR-C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Gomber, P 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 .000
b-Santana, PH 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1.000
2-Bader, PR 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Oh, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 33 0 7 0 1 10 0

Pitcher IP H R ER BB SO ERA
Gomber (L, 0-1) 7.0 4 1 1 0 3 1.000
S. Oh 1.0 2 3 3 0 1 6.000

Totals 8.0 6 4 4 0 4

CINCINNATI REDS
BATTER AB R H RBI BB SO HR AVG
Hamilton, CF 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 .000
Peraza, 2B 4 1 2 0 0 0 0 .500
Senzel, 3B 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 .250
Seager, SS 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 .333
Votto, 1B 4 1 1 3 0 1 1 .250
Mesoraco, C 4 0 1 1 0 1 0 .250
Winker, LF 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Matz, P 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Valdez, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Cingrani, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
De Sclafani, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
a-Alcantara, PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Scott, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Lorenzen, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Chambers, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Aquino, RF 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 .000
Totals 32 4 6 4 0 4 1

Pitcher IP H R ER BB SO ERA
S. Matz (W, 1-0) 6.0 2 0 0 0 7 .000
Valdez (H, 3) 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Cingrani (H, 1) 0.1 1 0 0 0 1 .000
De Sclafan... (H, 1) 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 .000
Scott (H, 3) 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 5.000
Lorenzen (H, 1) 1.1 2 0 0 1 1 .000
Chambers (S, 1) 0.1 0 0 0 0 1 .000
Totals 9.0 7 0 0 1 10

GAME SUMMARY
Inning 9:
Cardinals batting. Piscotty popped out to Peraza (P4). Thames struck out swinging late at an inside fastball. Grichuk lined to right for a single. Gonzalez walked. Chambers pitching. Adams struck out swinging late at a low fastball.
Runs: 0 Hits: 1 Walks: 1 Errors: 0 Pitches: 27

Inning 8:
Cardinals batting. Adams pinch hit for Gyorko. Scott pitching. Adams popped out to Votto (P3). Molina lined to right for a single. Santana pinch hit for Gomber. Lorenzen pitching. Santana grounded and deflected off shortstop Seager for a single. Molina advances to 2nd. Wong pinch runs for Molina. Diaz flied out to Aquino (F9). Bader pinch runs for Santana. Fowler flied out to Hamilton (F8).
Runs: 0 Hits: 2 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 17 Runners Left On: 2

Reds batting. Adams substituted for Gyorko. Wong substituted for Molina. Oh pitching. Iglesias in bullpen. Chambers in bullpen. Hamilton popped out to Diaz (P6). Duke in bullpen. Peraza lined to center for a single. Senzel flied out to Piscotty (F9). Peraza reached 2nd on a passed ball. Seager was hit by a pitch. Votto homered to center. Peraza scores. Seager scores. Mesoraco was called out on strikes looking on a fastball down the middle.
Runs: 3 Hits: 2 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 20 Runners Left On: 0

Inning 7:
Cardinals batting. Valdez pitching. Piscotty flied out to Hamilton (F8). Cingrani pitching. De Sclafani in bullpen. Scott in bullpen. Thames struck out chasing a curveball low and away. Grichuk doubled to left. De Sclafani pitching. Gonzalez grounded to center for a single (8-2). Grichuk out.
Runs: 0 Hits: 2 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 15 Runners Left On: 1

Reds batting. Lorenzen in bullpen. Winker grounded out to Gonzalez (4-3). Alcantara pinch hit for De Sclafani. Alcantara flied out to Piscotty (F9). Aquino flied out to Fowler (F8).
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 4 Runners Left On: 0

Inning 6:
Cardinals batting. Gomber struck out chasing a slider low and away. Diaz lined out to Aquino (L9). Fowler flied out to Winker (F7).
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 11 Runners Left On: 0

Reds batting. Peraza lined to center for a single. De Sclafani in bullpen. Cingrani in bullpen. Valdez in bullpen. Senzel lined out to Diaz (L6). Seager flied out to Fowler (F8). Votto reached first on a fielding error by Gonzalez on a deflected hit (E4). Peraza advances to 2nd. Oh in bullpen. Lyons in bullpen. Peraza reached 3rd on a wild pitch. Votto reached 2nd on a wild pitch. Mesoraco popped out to Gonzalez (P4).
Runs: 0 Hits: 1 Walks: 0 Errors: 1 Pitches: 11 Runners Left On: 2

Inning 5:
Cardinals batting. Gonzalez grounded out to Senzel (5-3). Gyorko was called out on strikes looking on a low changeup. Molina was called out on strikes looking on a curveball low and away.
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 12 Runners Left On: 0

Reds batting. Matz popped out to Molina (P2). Aquino struck out chasing a high fastball. Hamilton struck out chasing an inside slider.
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 14 Runners Left On: 0

Inning 4:
Cardinals batting. Piscotty struck out swinging late at a high fastball. Thames grounded out to Peraza (4-3). Grichuk popped out to Votto (P3).
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 8 Runners Left On: 0

Reds batting. Peraza popped out to Diaz (P6). Senzel grounded to left for a single. Seager reached first on fielder's choice (FC). Senzel advances to 2nd. Votto struck out chasing a high fastball. Mesoraco lined to center for a single. Senzel scores. Seager advances to 3rd.* Winker flied out to Grichuk (F7).
Runs: 1 Hits: 2 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 16 Runners Left On: 2

Inning 3:
Cardinals batting. Gyorko grounded out to Seager (6-3). Molina grounded to right for a single. Gomber reached first on fielder's choice (3-6 FC). Molina out. Diaz lined to right for a single. Gomber advances to 2nd. Fowler grounded out to Seager (6-4). Diaz out.
Runs: 0 Hits: 2 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 18 Runners Left On: 2

Reds batting. Matz grounded out to Diaz (6-3). Aquino popped out to Thames (P3). Hamilton grounded out to Gyorko (5-3).
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 6 Runners Left On: 0

Inning 2:
Cardinals batting. Thames was called out on strikes looking on a changeup low and away. Grichuk grounded out to Seager (6-3). Gonzalez grounded out to Peraza (4-3).
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 11 Runners Left On: 0

Reds batting. Seager doubled to center. Votto grounded out to Gonzalez (4-3). Seager advances to 3rd. Mesoraco lined out to Gyorko (L5). Winker flied out to Fowler (F8).
Runs: 0 Hits: 1 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 6 Runners Left On: 1

Inning 1:
Cardinals batting. Matz pitching. Diaz struck out chasing a low curveball. Fowler struck out chasing a slider low and in. Piscotty popped out to Peraza (P4).
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 11 Runners Left On: 0

Reds batting. Gomber pitching. Hamilton grounded out to Gomber (1-3). Peraza flied out to Piscotty (F9). Senzel grounded out to Diaz (6-3).
Runs: 0 Hits: 0 Walks: 0 Errors: 0 Pitches: 6 Runners Left On: 0

* Go-Ahead Play

UMPIRES
HP: Jerry Hillsdale. 1B: Kenny Janzen. 2B: Mike Fillmore. 3B: Rusty Valentine.