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The Return of Formation Subs in Madden NFL 17

Madden NFL 17 Associate Game Designer, Ryan "RG" Glick and the Madden team have sent us this exclusive blog covering the return of formation subs. Make sure to read it and post your thoughts.

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Madden has had its fair share of features come and go over its 27 year history.  One beloved Madden & NCAA feature that sadly was lost in the Gen 4 console transition was the ability to save formation specific substitution packages.  Now in Madden NFL 17 it gives me great joy to announce the return of formation substitutions within franchise mode. 

Before explaining how formation subs will work in Madden NFL 17, I want to say THANK You to our community because you truly were the ones who really drove this feature into Madden NFL 17.  

Now for a little back story about formation subs. It was originally a feature that was “out of scope” for Madden NFL 17 (meaning it was not scheduled to make it into the game).  That was until myself and the Madden NFL development team started to take note of all the support the feature was getting from the community.  All of your  and the GameChangers tweets, forum posts, wish lists, and feedback helped the team here at Tiburon know that this was a must have feature if we were serious about making significant changes to improving Franchise mode.  This was the type of feedback that made doing whatever work necessary to get this feature into Madden NFL 17.  

We are excited because the addition of formation subs is an example of our passionate community’s coming together to get a feature into the game.  So to all of you vocal Madden fans out there, please keep up the good work and continue to deliver feedback as you can make tremendous impact on the game.  

Now let’s talk about how the feature actually works. For those that are not familiar with formation subs, a quick high-level definition is that players now have the ability to set & save starters in specific positions based on formation regardless of how the players are sorted in the depth chart.  

Once in Franchise mode, the mechanic works as such:  

  • From the Franchise mode Hub scroll to the Manage Tab and select the My Coach menu.
  • From the My Coach menu Select Formation Subs  
  • The playbooks that load within the formation subs menu are the playbooks that you have set within the schemes section of the My Coach menu.  

  • Once in the Formation Subs menu toggle between offense and defense by simply pressing LB or RB (L1 or R1 on PS4).
  • Selected to edit offense or defense and then simply scroll through the different formations by navigating the L-stick while holding down LT (L2 on PS2).  Scroll over a formation you want to edit and let go of LT and the formation will populate. Then let go of LT they can use the L-stick to scroll through the different sets within the formation they selected.   

  • Next scroll to and highlight the set you want to edit they press the A button (X on PS2) which then allows you to scroll through the players within the selected set.  Then select the player you want to change by pressing the A button (X on PS2) after you've scrolled over and highlighted the player.  
  • From here scroll through the roster of players to choose your replacement.  Pressing the A button (X on PS2) on the selected replacement player subs him in for that formation.   

  • You can also reset a sub made to any given formation by selecting the formation you want to reset by pressing the RT button (R2 on PS4).  
  • When you are done making formation subs simply press B (O on PS4) to back out the formation subs menu and enter game to view your changes.  

Some additional things to keep in mind when using the feature are:

  • Formation subs carry from game to game unless you switch your playbook or resets the formation sub.  
  • You can still make formation subs when in game by using our legacy playcall screen formation sub feature.  This is done by picking plays by formation when at the play call screen by pressing RB when highlighting the formation you want to edit.  

The list of eligible players who can be subbed in at each position from the formation sub menu is:

  • QB = QB, K, P
  • HB = HB, FB
  • FB = FB, HB, TE
  • WR = WR, TE, HB
  • TE = TE, FB, LT, RT, MLB
  • LT = LT, LG, C, RG, RT
  • LG = LG, LT, C, RG, RT
  • C = C, LG, LT, RG, RT
  • RG = RG, RT, C, LG, LT
  • RT = RT, RG, C, LG, LT
  • LE - LE, RE, DT, ROLB, LOLB
  • RE = RE, LE, DT, ROLB, LOLB
  • DT = DT, LE, RE
  • LOLB = LOLB, ROLB, MLB, RE, LE
  • ROLB = ROLB, LOLB, MLB, RE, LE
  • MLB = MLB, ROLB, LOLB
  • CB = CB, FS, SS
  • FS = FS, SS, CB
  • SS = SS, FS, CB
  • K = K, P
  • P = P, K

Again, Thank You to the entire Madden Community for your constructive feedback year in and year out.  We look forward to watching you all continue to use your passion to make Madden the best it possibly can be.

Sincerely,

Ryan (RG) Glick 

Associate Game Designer


Member Comments
# 1 NFLfan80 @ 08/09/16 05:40 PM
Wait no special teams? Oh wait punting is probably under offense.
 
# 2 T4VERTS @ 08/09/16 05:42 PM
So because of the mechanic of it coming up under coaching scheme it sounds like it will not work with customs....bummer.
 
# 3 Tatupu_64 @ 08/09/16 05:48 PM
OH HELL YES

It may not be everything we want, but it is enough for me for this year
 
# 4 NotreDomer10 @ 08/09/16 05:49 PM
No WR at RB even though several teams do it in real life every game? makes sense....
 
# 5 Mauer4MVP @ 08/09/16 05:49 PM
Am I reading this right? You can't put a WR at HB? That'd be pretty dumb.

Also looks like you can't put JJ Watt at tight end. Again, pretty dumb.

This honestly kind of defeats the point of the feature for me.
 
# 6 2_headedmonster @ 08/09/16 05:51 PM
This is a lot time coming. Glad it's here.
 
# 7 DiscountCleric @ 08/09/16 05:52 PM
Just me, or are there a bunch of references to the PS2 controls in this blog?
 
# 8 Brooklynbks4 @ 08/09/16 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by NotreDomer10
No WR at RB even though several teams do it in real life every game? makes sense....
Thought the same thing. Had plans to have some wrs in the backfield

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# 9 VinnyVegas28 @ 08/09/16 05:59 PM
Just want to say how much I appreciate the devs for finally adding this feature back in along with fully editable players was a long time coming. THANK YOU

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# 10 khaliib @ 08/09/16 06:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynbks4
Thought the same thing. Had plans to have some wrs in the backfield

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Work around is change position to RB, and use AWR rating to fudge the OVR higher to continue holding depth chart position amongst the WR group.

Stats will still tally as a WR etc...

Only problem I can see is if programming won't allow 80's #'s to be in the backfill
 
# 11 Mauer4MVP @ 08/09/16 06:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by khaliib
Work around is change position to RB, and use AWR rating to fudge the OVR higher to continue holding depth chart position amongst the WR group.

Stats will still tally as a WR etc...

Only problem I can see is if programming won't allow 80's #'s to be in the backfill
The problem is that means this is an incomplete formation subs feature and to be quite frank is kind of ridiculous. Putting a WR at HB should be a basic function in formation subs.

The limitations severely hinder the resource that it can be. It essentially makes the feature pointless for me.
 
# 12 StayPlation82 @ 08/09/16 06:08 PM
if i F-sub two TEs into a 4WR Spread set, will i be able to no huddle into Ace Formation based on personnel? i feel like the Patriots are going to do a lot of this this year. like when they had Hernandez back in the day.
 
# 13 Tengo Juego @ 08/09/16 06:19 PM
The positions being restricted kills all excitement. Sure, now I can finally change personnel groupings per formation. But I can't, without changing positions, put Randall Cobb or Ty Montgomery at RB. Or Morgan Burnett at LB. Because... Balance concerns? Both of these things are going to happen on the field this season.
 
# 14 sportsfan1976 @ 08/09/16 06:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mauer4MVP
Am I reading this right? You can't put a WR at HB? That'd be pretty dumb.

Also looks like you can't put JJ Watt at tight end. Again, pretty dumb.

This honestly kind of defeats the point of the feature for me.
I agree its a half *** feature so no one on defense can play on offensive.
 
# 15 DeuceDouglas @ 08/09/16 06:24 PM
Good to see that they will indeed save game-to-game. Like I said in the other thread, I really hope this can pave the way for more personnel features like custom packages. Also they definitely need to find a way to make customs be available in CFM and hopefully that will be the next logical step with this.
 
# 16 DeuceDouglas @ 08/09/16 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tengo Juego
The positions being restricted kills all excitement. Sure, now I can finally change personnel groupings per formation. But I can't, without changing positions, put Randall Cobb or Ty Montgomery at RB. Or Morgan Burnett at LB. Because... Balance concerns? Both of these things are going to happen on the field this season.
Agreed. Not sure why it would be made so restrictive. Since it's only a CFM feature it should have been, at the very least, something a commissioner had control over.
 
# 17 JayD @ 08/09/16 06:28 PM
Dang! I was really hoping we didnt need to use 32 team control to get formation subs. I was hoping the CPU did their own.
 
# 18 CM Hooe @ 08/09/16 06:36 PM
The position restrictions are cumbersome, but I'd rather have formation subs with restrictions than none at all.

If I were to guess, the restrictions are a philosophical holdover from the "cheese preventing" mentality of Gen 2, where everyone clamored very hard for these sorts of things (in particular, WR at TE was a big no-no that people fought hard against, and that's still in place here). Based on the comments here, however, attitudes appear to have shifted on that front.

To be clear, I'm also in the "give us more flexibility" camp, but I can understand the though process for rolling this out initially with the restrictions in place. To be honest, I expected them.

Might be worth checking also - do these restrictions match those of the depth chart and in-game formation substitutions?
 
# 19 Quentin32 @ 08/09/16 06:38 PM
I kno this is about to sound crazy, but this confirmed I'm not getting or playing 17'

I'm tight right now
 
# 20 StayPlation82 @ 08/09/16 06:43 PM
As a work around, does the Green Bay and LA playbooks have the WR at HB package? if so, from the NCAA days just make sure not to change the HB to someone else in that formation sub and you should be able to still use the package. at this point though it's all speculation. not even sure if those packages were in for M16.
 


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