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lolzcat
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Annapolis, Md
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OT - What do we learn from the "hot chicks" threads?
Okay, it's not why I come to this site. But in my mind, it's not the worst stuff here. I'm not complaining.
I wonder if there's anything that we might pick up from the "rate the hot chicks" threads and polls (and related stuff) that has become something of an institution around here recently. I know, I'm analytical to a fault. Still... I'm betting that this thread turns into a better source of amusement than analysis. |
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Cinn City
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This should be a poll.
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Keene, NH
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what do we learn?
we like hot chicks. duh.
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Maryland
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Yup, I think that's it. We like hot chicks. Pretty much sums it up.
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Chicago, IL
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Polls are over rated.
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lolzcat
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Annapolis, Md
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I'll offer one thought - a lot of this "hot chick" stuff seems to be a function of photography (or perhaps more appropriately stated, "presentation").
I'm basically convinced that men will drool over practically any woman who: -is not dramatically overweight -is not covered with festering boils -has reasonably normal features -and is captured with a fairly alluring pose I don't really excuse myself from this phenomenon... I just am aware that it seems to take place. Some of the women in the "hot chicks" threads, I'm guessing, aren't really all that spectacular in "real life." But, get them with proper makup and lighting, and dress them so they have the proper "come hither" look and/or the obligatory "clothes barely covering the essentials" pose, and you have the FOFC crowd trying to type with one hand. Fascinating. |
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lolzcat
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Annapolis, Md
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Jebus, in the time it took me to respond to my own thread, there are seventeen other responses. This "hot chicks" thing is really something.
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Chicago, IL
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Typing with one hand is not mentioned enough.
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Strategy Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: North Carolina
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To give you a serious answer, I think I learn that most guys only accept the cookie-cutter type of good-looking "hot chick."
To me it means that the images our media and culture throw at us are either exactly what we want, or they have successfully convinced us that these girls are exactly what we want. To me, most of them are so generic they aren't anything to get really excited about. |
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Manchester, CT
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I have not participated in these polls, but of course, I always took a peek at the pictures posted.
Could it be said that the ladies who were showing skin in the photos made it further into the game?
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Manchester, CT
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dola.....
or should i say "showing the MOST skin"
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lolzcat
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Annapolis, Md
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Another thing seems to be that the more revealing the photo, the more liekly that a "real" woman would show some sort of real life folds and wrinkles... the sort of thing that doesn't sell in the "hot chick" analysis. So, youy inevitably end up skewing away from, say, Valerie Bertinell (deliberate jab) and toward the sort of super-thin types that seem to be doing well in the contests.
Super thin with one (well, two) exceptions. We are Americans after all... in large part. |
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Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: On Lake Harriet
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I think you hit the nail on the head Marmel.
It's like the age-old wet t-shirt contest chant, "Skin to win. Skin to win." I've also been surpised about how relatively poorly blondes have done. If you take Barbie as a guide for what the prototypical ideal woman would be, I'm not sure many of the finalists fit. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Maryland
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Hmm, I think you're probably right, though it has been interesting to see the differing opinions on many of the "hot chicks". One who someone thought was incredibly hot would be the complete opposite for someone else. I've always had a theory about attractiveness; that you can't see things just in terms of "hot", but need to "rate" (not a pc term, I know) attractiveness on three levels: "hotness", which is sheer animal attraction, "cuteness", which harder to describe but has to do with youth, energy, etc., and "beauty", which really more deals with facial features, grace, etc. There are many hot chicks which really aren't cute or beautiful, many beautiful women who aren't necessarily the hottest, etc. Back a decade or so ago I thought one of the most "well rounded" in these categories was Meg Ryan, cute, beautiful and hot all at the same time (IMO, anyway). |
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Keene, NH
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i like chicks
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Join Date: Jan 2002
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You are just not giving women covered with festering boils enough of a chance.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Where Hip Hop lives
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I learned I don't share the tastes of many of those here, as rarely has my choice for the best in the lot won the damn thing.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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I do not agree with one of your assessments about what makes a "hot chick":
"is not dramatically overweight" I think that the demand here is still for rail-thin women. I've seen comments in the hot chick threads like--"she seems a little chubby" used to describe women who, at worst, do not look malnourished. I also remember someone comment that he did not like the new girl intern in the Dell commercials because "she looks like she could become a porker."--The potential to become fat makes one ugly. There was also that thread about the guy who was deciding whether to sleep with one cheerleader sister or another (or something like that), where he made the comment that "you should not sleep with ugly chicks. You wouldn't sleep with fat chicks, so why is ugly any different?"--as if fat transcends ugly to become its own brand of repulsion. And of course, the description of a generic bad looking woman: "some fat ugly chick"--again, as if fat transcends ugly to become its own brand of repulsion. I am not picking on this board--these sentiments are expressed anytime I talk to guys. I just find it interesting that weight is, from what I have observed, by FAR the #1 factor in deciding whether a woman is hot or not. Considering that most Americans are overweight, I find it very interesting. Or maybe it is because so many of us are overweight that we decide that it has to be a beauty thing. Or--as one person has mused--the people who design fashion are gay men. These are people who do not like women's bodies. Therefore, they are pushing their ideal of the male body down our throats by projecting the super-skinny woman as the perfect woman. And we all eat it up because we are sheep. I don't agree with this theory, but I don't dismiss it out of hand, either. The only people of whom you can make fun in this PC world are fat people and rednecks. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 06-12-2003 at 01:04 PM. |
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Join Date: Jun 2003
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From my quick glance of the Hot Chicks thread earlier, I learned that some of us don't know what an attractive woman is. Tyra Banks over Katie Holmes. Puhleeze!!!
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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It seems we've found the person who doesn't know what an attractive woman is... it seems to be you .I don't think there is a woman out there that is as stunning as Tyra Banks.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Maryland
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Ok, ok, now hold on a second. My comment about the new Dell girl....I was posting that because I liked the other intern better that they had gotten rid of. I think the current one is cute enough, but she reminds me of girls in college who were cute, but not quite as cute some 40 pounds later. I just made the same comment about Genevieve from Trading Places; attractive, but a few years down the road, someone I could easily see being a LOT bigger than she is now. I personally like women who are NOT rail thin; I like women who have a nice hourglass figure (if anyone knows who they are, some of my favorite all-time playboy playmates are Donna Edmondson, Petra Verkaik, Sharry Konopski, Kerry Kendall and Marina Baker - back before they all had fake boobs and were blonde. Edit: Forgot Tanya Beyer...beautiful woman....). Last edited by cuervo72 : 06-10-2003 at 03:59 PM. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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I was pulling quotes from memory. I should have noted that in my post. I am sorry if I have misquoted or misstated anyone's statement.
I was trying to make a more generic point by using a diversity of specific examples. I meant no offense to anyone's specific statements and I am sorry if that came across. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Jul 2001
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Actually I think it's specifically related to cleavage. the chicks with their boobs popping out of whatever they are wearing do better they do in the hot chick survivor thing. I've often found that disappointing as the women I find the most stunningly beautiful are often fully clothed. |
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Akron, OH
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Theres a "Hot Chicks" thread somewhere ?
search ... Hot... Chicks |
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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I've learned that I must not be up on the current set of "hot chicks." 75% of them I either did not recognize the name, face, or body - at all.
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College Prospect
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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In general, I think everyone has a different taste in the type of women they prefer, as evident in the Hot Chick Survivor polls...how some of them went out before others in beyond me.
That said, I do agree with the assessment that society's ideal of a beautiful women does hold sway with most men. There are obviously the exceptions, but overall, I think there is a cookie-cutter mentality. Maybe it has something to do with always wanting more and never being satisfied...you always want the perfect woman (and by that I mean society's ideal of a perfect woman) but she really doesn't exist. I think that most men just dream about that, but are based in reality...otherwise the Human Race would have been extinct a while ago. It is interesting that this all seems to be perpetrated by the Media. You can look at tribes who have no media and find very different ideals in what they look for in women.
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Join Date: Jun 2001
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This would be a good poll, but I will spare everyone. Out of the three descriptions above (cute, beautiful, and hot), I tend to favor cute. Cute girls have an inner light that beautiful or hot women don't. Cute girls have a lot more personality.
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Hockey Boy
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Royal Oak, MI
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I have "picked up" that my taste in women differs wildly from the vast majority of posters on this board. Wildly.
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College Starter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Calgary
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I remember watching a show where an anthropologist was espousing his theory regarding instinctive traits of human sexuality.
According to him, men were subconciously attracted to women with "clear whites of the eyes" and "unblemished skin", both apparently indications of good health. Rounded hips as an indication of fertility was also mentioned. Women were subconciously attracted to men with "broad shoulders tapering down like a V to the waist" (an indication of the ability to protect) as well as a "strong butt" (apparently an indication of the ability to penetrate/procreate). Cleavage was attractive to men because the shape is analogous to a woman's posterior. Moist succulent lips on the face were attractive because it made men instinctively think of, well... It was an interesting theory... I can't admit to looking at the whites of eyes but unblemished skin, cleavage and moist red lips are all attractive IMO. I think Quiksand, as usual, hit the nail on the head. Virtually all women can be made to look attractive with the right lighting, makeup, and pose and don't forget the airbrushing technique. |
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College Starter
Join Date: Oct 2000
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I learned that a fair amount of the fellows on this board have poor taste. Well... if you consider being unable to rate a group of amzingly to unbelievably attractice women acurately, they do.
Seriously, I do see the trend of cookie cutter girls making the finals. We seem to have a parade of mid-to-late twenties brunette caucasians that have name recognition, but not enough to name recognition to cause a backlash. I think this points to the lemming-like nature of mankind. I guess I can't complain. I've bought every Final Fantasy because I love FFVII. But they've all pretty much sucked after #7. |
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
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I learned that many on this board have a poor taste in women.
I'd have to agree with cthomer's cookie cutter theory. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Maryland
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No offense taken I may make comments about weight now and then, maybe sometimes I'm a little too harsh. But, I'm harsh on my own weight too :PAs for the voting in the hot chick polls, if they were a "beauty" poll or a "cuteness" poll, I might have personally voted differently. Is that Vergara (sp?) chick hot? Heck yeah. Is she beautiful? Not as much. Not as cute either. But she has a *great* body. Jolene Blalock is also hot but not as cute or beautiful (of course, they both got bounced relatively early). Now Faith Hill, she's beautiful (again, IMO). And Katie Holmes is darned cute...and has a pretty good body too. And I think Kodos' personality element of cuteness is right on, and the important part of my definition that I was missing. |
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Iowa City, IA
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The ugliest ones to me are the ones that are rail thin.
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: toronto
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2/3
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Allen Park, MI
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I think our taste as a board, collectively, is different then the most other guys. Here is FHM's 100 Sexiest List and how they fared in Hot Chick Survivor......
100- Jillian Barberie (Eliminated in Round 1 of Season 4) 99- Kelly Brook (Eliminated in Round 5 of Season 8) 98- Angie Everhart (Eliminated in Round 4 of Season 8) 97- Stacy Kamano 96- Christina Ricci 95- Sofia Vergara (Eliminated in Round 4 of Season 7) 94- Gisele Bündchen (Eliminated in Round 1 of Season 8) 93- Courteney Cox Arquette 92- Jamie Sale 91- Shannon Elizabeth (Finished in 17th Place) 90- Amanda Peet 89- Rebecca Gayheart 88- Drew Barrymore 87- Melissa Joan Hart (Eliminated in Round 2 of Season 4) 86- Cindy Crawford 85- Rose McGowan 84- Neve Campbell 83- Lauren Bush 82- Jules Asner (Still Alive- Winner of Season 8) 81- Maria Bartiromo 80- Kate Hudson 79- Maria Menounos 78- Sandra Bullock 77- Monica Bellucci (Eliminated in Round 5 of Season 7) 76- Ashanti 75- Molly Sims (Eliminated in Round 3 of Season 8) 74- Julia Roberts 73- Jennifer Connelly 72- Angelica Bridges 71- Kim Smith (Finished in 13th Place) 70- Jill Arrington (Eliminated in Round 1 of Season 6) 69- Jolene Blalock (Eliminated in Round 6 of Season 6) 68- Kelly Ripa 67- Penelope Cruz (Eliminated in Round 2 of Season 6) 66- Taryn Manning 65- Jaime Pressly 64- Reese Witherspoon (Eliminated in Round 5 of Season 4) 63- Gwen Stefani 62- Krista Allen 61- Liv Tyler (Eliminated in Round 2 of Season 8) 60- Alicia Keys 59- Natalie Portman (Eliminatd in Round 6 of Season 3) 58- Rebecca Romijn-Stamos (Eliminated in Round 7 of Season 6) 57- Jenny McCarthy 56- Pink 55- Jeri Ryan (Eliminated in Round 1 of Season 2) 54- Holly Marie Combs 53- Elisha Cuthbert (Still Alive- Winner of Season 5) 52- Nicole Eggert 51- Mandy Moore 50- Amy Smart 49- Heather Graham (Eliminated in Round 3 of Season 6) 48- Charisma Carpenter (Eliminated in Round 3 of Season 5) 47- Beth Ostrosky 46- Kim Cattrall 45- Gena Lee Nolin (Eliminated in Round 7 of Season 2) 44- Katie Holmes (Finished in 16th Place) 43- Heidi Klum (Eliminated in Round 7 of Season 4) 42- Lucy Liu 41- Alyson Hannigan 40- Jessica Simpson (Eliminated in Round 8 of Season 8) 39- Leeann Tweeden (Eliminated in Round 7 of Season 5) 38- Jessica Biel 37- Ashley Judd (Eliminated in Round 4 of Season 1) 36- Salma Hayek (Finished in 24th Place) 35- Cameron Diaz 34- Catherine Zeta-Jones (Eliminated in Round 6 of Season 8) 33- Jenna Jameson (Eliminated in Round 2 of Season 5) 32- Yasmine Bleeth 31- Shakira (Eliminated in Round 6 of Season 5) 30- Nicole Kidman (Eliminated in Round 3 of Season 1) 29- Nikki Cox (Eliminated in Round 5 of Season 6) 28- Eliza Dushku (Eliminated in Round 2 of Season 1) 27- Mariah Carey 26- Charlize Theron 25- Tiffani Thiessen 24- Kristin Kreuk (Eliminated in Round 4 of Season 3) 23- Janet Jackson 22- Catherine Bell 21- Beyonce Knowles (Eliminated in Round 6 of Season 4) 20- Christina Aguilera (Eliminated in Round 2 of Season 3) 19- Sarah Michelle Gellar (Eliminated in Round 3 of Season 2) 18- Elizabeth Hurley (Still Alive- Winner of Season 4) 17- Jessica Alba (Still Alive) 16- Shania Twain (Eliminated in Round 8 of Season 5) 15- Jennifer Aniston (Finished in 12th Place) 14- Denise Richards (Eliminated in Round 4 of Season 2) 13- Faith Hill (Finished in 15th Place) 12- Jennifer Love Hewitt (Still Alive- Winner of Season 1) 11- Ali Landry (Still Alive) 10- Brooke Burke (Still Alive- Winner of Season 2) 9- Anna Kournikova (Finished in 26th Place) 8- Jennifer Garner (Finished in 23rd Place) 7- Pamela Anderson (Eliminated in Round 1 of Season 5) 6- Angelina Jolie (Eliminated in Round 5 of Season 1) 5- Jennifer Lopez (Eliminated in Round 1 of Season 7) 4- Alyssa Milano (Still Alive- Winner of Season 3) 3- Carmen Electra (Eliminated in Round 5 of Season 2) 2- Britney Spears (Eliminated in Round 7 of Season 1) 1- Halle Berry (Finished in 20th Place) Last edited by TLK : 06-10-2003 at 10:31 PM. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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Two-Thirds!!!
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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No, I think the Askman poll is the one that's off
.Halle Berry as #1? While she is nice, she ain't a #1!!!
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Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
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I think it is what is on the inside of a woman that matters most.
It just so happens that I really like women who I am constantly going inside. |
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College Starter
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: The Mad City, WI
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Some of us need to type with our feet.
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College Starter
Join Date: Oct 2000
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So... now that we are about a year removed from these things-- Have we actually learned anything.
I mean-- Denise Richards was #14 on FHMs list and now that we're seeing her goodies she's rating much worse. |
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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I hate old threads that I think are new, though I'm not sure why. That's the only thing I've learned.
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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not a singler picture yet in this thread....that must be some kind of record...or at least a bust to expectations...were slipping. Where's sov?
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Big Ten Country
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Some girls are bigger than others.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Kansas City, MO
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On a personal level, I think that is what makes her attractive to most guys. If it weren't for the shape of her body, she wouldn't make a lot of "hot" lists. So in her case, if she added 40 pounds, it would be devestating to her rankings, where as someone else who has other pluses might be able to pull it off. |
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Early, TX
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Fat chicks need love too. Strangely enough, I kind of like my women a bit chunky, so I guess that's why I got so many dates in my day (i.e. - before 7 months ago).
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Based on the "What the hell do you look like?" threads, there is no one here who could date Reese Whitherspoon, although a couple might pull it off if they had a lot more money. Yet guys who are significantly overweight and not the best looking knife in the drawer turn their nose up at women who if they were sitting at the next table in a bar they would be drooling over. There is nothing more ironic than an overweight guy rejecting a woman because she is perceived to be overweight. I say that because my observation has shown me that guys who are overweight will think a woman is overweight and therefore unattractive even if she is less overweight than he is. Kate Winslett is someone I find very attractive and she is an actress who the media makes out to be always battling here weight. If she is overweight -- and that's a judgement call -- she is certainly a lot less overweight than I am. How can I reject her for a flaw when my own flaw is much worse? On he FHM list above, I have no doubt that most guys at FOFC would rate a large percentage of these women as not being their cup of tea, yet if presented the opportunity they would go at it like a dog to a bone. Not to inspire a famous line, but I think most guys -- some marriage vows notwithstanding -- would have sex with Bea Arthur is she came onto them. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Edmond, OK
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Maryland
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Oh, I figured Genevieve was pretty tall. And I'm not saying she isn't just fine as she is, I think she's very attractive - you just wonder if someday she's going to pull a Kirstie Alley
And yeah, her breasts do usually look pretty huge on TV. ![]() Now...this brings me to something that I've been noticing watching HGTV. Is it me, or are some of these women Amazon-tall? Candice Olson (Devine Design), ok, she's an ex-volleyball player. But Debbie Travis (DT Facelift, DT Painted House) and Vicki Norris (sometimes on Mission Organization) also seem to be near that 6' range. Nothing groundbreaking, just an idle observation...
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Based on the type of body that gets high marks around here (i.e. unusually tall and very skinny), I would say that most of the guys voting in these polls have never in their lives had physical contact with a woman who actually is unusually tall and very skinny.
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Maryland
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That comment reminds me...saw a picture of Keira Knightly in an old People that was talking about weight...WAY too skinny.
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