Short Trivia Q

JAG · 06-26-2003, 06:07 AM

What's the largest city in the U.S. with no major sports team? (meaning MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL presumably)

EagleFan · 06-26-2003, 06:21 AM

Cincinnati

QuikSand · 06-26-2003, 06:54 AM

Might depend on the definition of "city" but I think Las Vegas might be the answer.

QuikSand · 06-26-2003, 07:02 AM

This site lists Columbus, Ohio and Austin Texas as the #14 and #15 cities in the US - but it clearly is counting only the city proper - not the "metro area" and that makes a huge difference. I think most of us tend to think in terms of "market size" rather than municipal limits... I don't think anyone intuitively puts Columbus or Austin into their top 20 cities in the US, which reveals that this may not be the most intuitive way of thinking.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

Senator · 06-26-2003, 07:06 AM

Cloudcroft, New Mexico

JAG · 06-26-2003, 07:49 AM

Eagles fan: LOL

Quicksand: Good point, unfortunately it only says 'city', so I don't know what criteria it's going by. The answser given is El Paso, TX and gives the popluation as 612,000, so chances are it's not including metro area, not going by census numbers, and possibly just not correct. I don't believe Austin has any major sports teams (Columbus has the Blue Jackets).

Senator: Never heard of Cloudcroft. Good place to visit?

JAG

tucker342 · 06-26-2003, 01:53 PM

I bet Des Moines is up there...

QuikSand · 06-26-2003, 03:02 PM

Sorry... I forgot about the Blue Jackets...and about oggie generally, which is normal for me.

ctmason · 06-26-2003, 03:14 PM

There's no real answer to this, due to the variables Quik mentioned.

My guess is Austin. I can tell you that the answer to this same trivia question was San Jose, CA for years and years and years, until the Sharks came along.

Ryche · 06-26-2003, 03:16 PM

I would be Oklahoma City is the largest city without a pro sports franchise. If you mean largest by land area anyway. I believe Oklahoma City is behind only Los Angeles and Jacksonville.

Austin is the largest city by population, not including metro areas. Followed by Oklahoma City, Tucson and Las Vegas.

Anrhydeddu · 06-26-2003, 03:19 PM

QS, truthfully, I am a little surprised. That is not like you.

Leonidas · 06-26-2003, 03:24 PM

The site must be using old census data. Vegas is now over 1 million and still growing. I'd say Vegas is it now.

Ryche · 06-26-2003, 03:43 PM

The metro area of Vegas is no doubt over 1 million. The figures I saw just counted the city proper though.

Anrhydeddu · 06-26-2003, 03:52 PM

2000 Census Data

Top 50 Largest Cities

1. New York N.Y. 8008278
2. Los Angeles Calif. 3694820
3. Chicago Ill. 2896016
4. Houston Tex. 1953631
5. Philadelphia Pa. 1517550
6. Phoenix Ariz. 1321045
7. San Diego Calif. 1223400
8. Dallas Tex. 1188580
9. San Antonio Tex. 1144646
10. Detroit Mich. 951270
11. San Jose Calif. 894943
12. Indianapolis Ind. 791926
13. San Francisco Calif. 776733
14. Jacksonville Fla. 735617
15. Columbus Ohio 711470
16. Austin Tex. 656562
17. Baltimore Md. 651154
18. Memphis Tenn. 650100
19. Milwaukee Wis. 596974
20. Boston Mass. 589141
21. Washington DC 572059
22. Nashville-Davidson Tenn. 569891
23. El Paso Tex. 563662
24. Seattle Wash. 563374
25. Denver Colo. 554636
26. Charlotte N.C. 540828
27. Fort Worth Tex. 534694
28. Portland Ore. 529121
29. Oklahoma City Okla. 506132
30. Tucson Ariz. 486699
31. New Orleans La. 484674
32. Las Vegas Nev. 478434
33. Cleveland Ohio 478403
34. Long Beach Calif. 461522
35. Albuquerque N.M. 448607
36. Kansas City Mo. 441545
37. Fresno Calif. 427652
38. Virginia Beach Va. 425257
39. Atlanta Ga. 416474
40. Sacramento Calif. 407018
41. Oakland Calif. 399484
42. Mesa Ariz. 396375
43. Tulsa Okla. 393049
44. Omaha Neb. 390007
45. Minneapolis Minn. 382618
46. Honolulu CDP 2 Hawaii 371657
47. Miami Fla. 362470
48. Colorado Springs Colo. 360890
49. St. Louis Mo. 348189
50. Wichita Kans. 344284

QuikSand · 06-26-2003, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
QS, truthfully, I am a little surprised. That is not like you.

Forgetting about hockey (oggie) is absolutely like me. I couldn't care less.

Anrhydeddu · 06-26-2003, 04:06 PM

2001 Data

Top 100 Metro Areas

1. New York-No. New Jersey-Long Island, NY- 19,876,488
2. Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County, CA 15,608,886
3. Chicago-Gary-Kenosha, IL-IN-WI 8,642,175
4. Washington-Baltimore, DC-MD-VA-WV 7,206,517
5. San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA 6,700,753
6. Philadelphia-Wilmington-Atlantic City, PA 5,971,860
7. Boston-Worcester-Lawrence-Lowell-Brockton 5,827,654
8. Detroit-Ann Arbor-Flint, MI 5,438,756
9. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX 4,683,013
10. Houston-Galveston-Brazoria, TX 4,320,041
11. Atlanta, GA 3,627,184
12. Miami-Fort Lauderdale, FL 3,515,358
13. Seattle-Tacoma-Bremerton, WA 3,367,872
14. Cleveland-Akron, OH 2,908,439
15. Phoenix-Mesa, AZ 2,839,539
16. Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI 2,792,137
17. San Diego, CA 2,722,650
18. St. Louis, MO-IL 2,557,806
19. Pittsburgh, PA 2,361,019
20. Denver-Boulder-Greeley, CO 2,318,355
21. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2,227,000
22. Portland-Salem, OR-WA 2,112,802
23. Cincinnati-Hamilton, OH-KY-IN 1,934,145
24. Kansas City, MO-KS 1,709,273
25. Sacramento-Yolo, CA 1,655,866
26. Milwaukee-Racine, WI 1,636,572
27. Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, VA 1,544,945
28. San Antonio, TX 1,511,386
29. Indianapolis, IN 1,503,468
30. Orlando, FL 1,467,045
31. Columbus, OH 1,460,242
32. Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC 1,350,243
33. New Orleans, LA 1,307,758
34. Las Vegas, NV-AZ 1,262,099
35. Salt Lake City-Ogden, UT 1,247,554
36. Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 1,164,721
37. Greensboro--Winston-Salem--High Point, N 1,152,779
38. Nashville, TN 1,134,524
39. Hartford, CT 1,105,174
40. Rochester, NY 1,086,082
41. Memphis, TN-AR-MS 1,083,186
42. Austin-San Marcos, TX 1,071,023
43. Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill, NC 1,050,054
44. Jacksonville, FL 1,034,604
45. Oklahoma City, OK 1,030,504
46. Grand Rapids-Muskegon-Holland, MI 1,026,295
47. West Palm Beach-Boca Raton, FL 1,018,524
48. Louisville, KY-IN 993,369
49. Dayton-Springfield, OH 944,934
50. Richmond-Petersburg, VA 943,264
51. Providence-Warwick-Pawtucket, RI 904,831
52. Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, SC 904,729
53. Birmingham, AL 900,029
54. Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY 876,420
55. Honolulu, HI 869,857
56. Fresno, CA 868,703
57. Tucson, AZ 780,150
58. Tulsa, OK 764,396
59. Syracuse, NY 740,771
60. El Paso, TX 701,576
61. Omaha, NE-IA 687,454
62. Albuquerque, NM 674,837
63. Knoxville, TN 654,181
64. Bakersfield, CA 628,605
65. Scranton--Wilkes-Barre--Hazleton, PA 621,641
66. Harrisburg-Lebanon-Carlisle, PA 615,025
67. Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA 613,836
68. Toledo, OH 611,805
69. Youngstown-Warren, OH 595,215
70. Springfield, MA 591,110
71. Baton Rouge, LA 570,165
72. Little Rock-North Little Rock, AR 552,194
73. Stockton-Lodi, CA 542,504
74. Sarasota-Bradenton, FL 538,783
75. Wichita, KS 530,508
76. Mobile, AL 527,118
77. McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX 510,922
78. Charleston-North Charleston, SC 509,856
79. Columbia, SC 503,948
80. Colorado Springs, CO 480,041
81. Fort Wayne, IN 477,536
82. Daytona Beach, FL 465,925
83. Melbourne-Titusville-Palm Bay, FL 460,977
84. Johnson City-Kingsport-Bristol, TN-VA 460,147
85. Augusta-Aiken, GA-SC 457,228
86. Lancaster, PA 454,063
87. Lakeland-Winter Haven, FL 448,646
88. Chattanooga, TN-GA 447,488
89. Lansing-East Lansing, MI 447,349
90. Kalamazoo-Battle Creek, MI 446,699
91. Lexington, KY 444,073
92. Des Moines, IA 429,717
93. Jackson, MS 425,383
94. Modesto, CA 421,818
95. Spokane, WA 404,650
96. Saginaw-Bay City-Midland, MI 402,949
97. Canton-Massillon, OH 402,644
98. Madison, WI 397,511
99. Pensacola, FL 397,085
100. Santa Barbara-Santa Maria-Lompoc, CA 390,199

albionmoonlight · 06-26-2003, 04:32 PM

The first metro area that I see on A's list w/o a team is Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, VA 1,544,945

Is that right?

JAG · 06-26-2003, 04:33 PM

Wow, wouldn't have picked VA Beach metro area for largest city including metro area without a major sports team.

Anrhy, you've been on quite an info hunt today.

JAG

Anrhydeddu · 06-26-2003, 04:48 PM

JAG, thanks, it comes with the territory of being a geographer.

Couple of trivia remarks that I have used to throw folks. Many are surprised that Atlanta is not the South's (non-Texas) largest city. Even Virginia Beach have been larger than Atlanta for a few decades.

I always like to shock folks in saying that San Antonio is a top 10 city (has been since 1980), most don't realize that. They were #10 but keeps moving up as Detroit goes down.

San Jose is #11 and bigger than San Francisco. Most, again, do not realize that even though San Jose has been stuck on #11 for quite a while.

When I got interested in this city list in the 1960s, the top 5 were NY-Chic-LA-Phil-Det (if I recall). The migration shifts since 1960 have been historic, along the lines of the post-Civil War shift to the North and the Westward migration before that.

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06-26-2003, 07:06 AM	#5
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06-26-2003, 03:24 PM	#12
Leonidas College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: East Anglia	The site must be using old census data. Vegas is now over 1 million and still growing. I'd say Vegas is it now. __________________ Molon labe

06-26-2003, 03:43 PM	#13
Ryche College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Highlands Ranch, CO, USA	The metro area of Vegas is no doubt over 1 million. The figures I saw just counted the city proper though. __________________ Some knots are better left untied.

06-26-2003, 06:54 AM	#3
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Might depend on the definition of "city" but I think Las Vegas might be the answer.

06-26-2003, 07:02 AM	#4
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	This site lists Columbus, Ohio and Austin Texas as the #14 and #15 cities in the US - but it clearly is counting only the city proper - not the "metro area" and that makes a huge difference. I think most of us tend to think in terms of "market size" rather than municipal limits... I don't think anyone intuitively puts Columbus or Austin into their top 20 cities in the US, which reveals that this may not be the most intuitive way of thinking. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

06-26-2003, 07:49 AM	#6
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Eagles fan: LOL Quicksand: Good point, unfortunately it only says 'city', so I don't know what criteria it's going by. The answser given is El Paso, TX and gives the popluation as 612,000, so chances are it's not including metro area, not going by census numbers, and possibly just not correct. I don't believe Austin has any major sports teams (Columbus has the Blue Jackets). Senator: Never heard of Cloudcroft. Good place to visit? JAG

06-26-2003, 01:53 PM	#7
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	I bet Des Moines is up there...

06-26-2003, 03:02 PM	#8
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Sorry... I forgot about the Blue Jackets...and about oggie generally, which is normal for me.

06-26-2003, 03:14 PM	#9
ctmason High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mesa, AZ	There's no real answer to this, due to the variables Quik mentioned. My guess is Austin. I can tell you that the answer to this same trivia question was San Jose, CA for years and years and years, until the Sharks came along.

06-26-2003, 03:16 PM	#10
Ryche College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Highlands Ranch, CO, USA	I would be Oklahoma City is the largest city without a pro sports franchise. If you mean largest by land area anyway. I believe Oklahoma City is behind only Los Angeles and Jacksonville. Austin is the largest city by population, not including metro areas. Followed by Oklahoma City, Tucson and Las Vegas. __________________ Some knots are better left untied.

06-26-2003, 03:19 PM	#11
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	QS, truthfully, I am a little surprised. That is not like you.

06-26-2003, 03:52 PM	#14
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	2000 Census Data Top 50 Largest Cities 1. New York N.Y. 8008278 2. Los Angeles Calif. 3694820 3. Chicago Ill. 2896016 4. Houston Tex. 1953631 5. Philadelphia Pa. 1517550 6. Phoenix Ariz. 1321045 7. San Diego Calif. 1223400 8. Dallas Tex. 1188580 9. San Antonio Tex. 1144646 10. Detroit Mich. 951270 11. San Jose Calif. 894943 12. Indianapolis Ind. 791926 13. San Francisco Calif. 776733 14. Jacksonville Fla. 735617 15. Columbus Ohio 711470 16. Austin Tex. 656562 17. Baltimore Md. 651154 18. Memphis Tenn. 650100 19. Milwaukee Wis. 596974 20. Boston Mass. 589141 21. Washington DC 572059 22. Nashville-Davidson Tenn. 569891 23. El Paso Tex. 563662 24. Seattle Wash. 563374 25. Denver Colo. 554636 26. Charlotte N.C. 540828 27. Fort Worth Tex. 534694 28. Portland Ore. 529121 29. Oklahoma City Okla. 506132 30. Tucson Ariz. 486699 31. New Orleans La. 484674 32. Las Vegas Nev. 478434 33. Cleveland Ohio 478403 34. Long Beach Calif. 461522 35. Albuquerque N.M. 448607 36. Kansas City Mo. 441545 37. Fresno Calif. 427652 38. Virginia Beach Va. 425257 39. Atlanta Ga. 416474 40. Sacramento Calif. 407018 41. Oakland Calif. 399484 42. Mesa Ariz. 396375 43. Tulsa Okla. 393049 44. Omaha Neb. 390007 45. Minneapolis Minn. 382618 46. Honolulu CDP 2 Hawaii 371657 47. Miami Fla. 362470 48. Colorado Springs Colo. 360890 49. St. Louis Mo. 348189 50. Wichita Kans. 344284

06-26-2003, 04:06 PM	#16
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	2001 Data Top 100 Metro Areas 1. New York-No. New Jersey-Long Island, NY- 19,876,488 2. Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County, CA 15,608,886 3. Chicago-Gary-Kenosha, IL-IN-WI 8,642,175 4. Washington-Baltimore, DC-MD-VA-WV 7,206,517 5. San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA 6,700,753 6. Philadelphia-Wilmington-Atlantic City, PA 5,971,860 7. Boston-Worcester-Lawrence-Lowell-Brockton 5,827,654 8. Detroit-Ann Arbor-Flint, MI 5,438,756 9. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX 4,683,013 10. Houston-Galveston-Brazoria, TX 4,320,041 11. Atlanta, GA 3,627,184 12. Miami-Fort Lauderdale, FL 3,515,358 13. Seattle-Tacoma-Bremerton, WA 3,367,872 14. Cleveland-Akron, OH 2,908,439 15. Phoenix-Mesa, AZ 2,839,539 16. Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI 2,792,137 17. San Diego, CA 2,722,650 18. St. Louis, MO-IL 2,557,806 19. Pittsburgh, PA 2,361,019 20. Denver-Boulder-Greeley, CO 2,318,355 21. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2,227,000 22. Portland-Salem, OR-WA 2,112,802 23. Cincinnati-Hamilton, OH-KY-IN 1,934,145 24. Kansas City, MO-KS 1,709,273 25. Sacramento-Yolo, CA 1,655,866 26. Milwaukee-Racine, WI 1,636,572 27. Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, VA 1,544,945 28. San Antonio, TX 1,511,386 29. Indianapolis, IN 1,503,468 30. Orlando, FL 1,467,045 31. Columbus, OH 1,460,242 32. Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC 1,350,243 33. New Orleans, LA 1,307,758 34. Las Vegas, NV-AZ 1,262,099 35. Salt Lake City-Ogden, UT 1,247,554 36. Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 1,164,721 37. Greensboro--Winston-Salem--High Point, N 1,152,779 38. Nashville, TN 1,134,524 39. Hartford, CT 1,105,174 40. Rochester, NY 1,086,082 41. Memphis, TN-AR-MS 1,083,186 42. Austin-San Marcos, TX 1,071,023 43. Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill, NC 1,050,054 44. Jacksonville, FL 1,034,604 45. Oklahoma City, OK 1,030,504 46. Grand Rapids-Muskegon-Holland, MI 1,026,295 47. West Palm Beach-Boca Raton, FL 1,018,524 48. Louisville, KY-IN 993,369 49. Dayton-Springfield, OH 944,934 50. Richmond-Petersburg, VA 943,264 51. Providence-Warwick-Pawtucket, RI 904,831 52. Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, SC 904,729 53. Birmingham, AL 900,029 54. Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY 876,420 55. Honolulu, HI 869,857 56. Fresno, CA 868,703 57. Tucson, AZ 780,150 58. Tulsa, OK 764,396 59. Syracuse, NY 740,771 60. El Paso, TX 701,576 61. Omaha, NE-IA 687,454 62. Albuquerque, NM 674,837 63. Knoxville, TN 654,181 64. Bakersfield, CA 628,605 65. Scranton--Wilkes-Barre--Hazleton, PA 621,641 66. Harrisburg-Lebanon-Carlisle, PA 615,025 67. Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA 613,836 68. Toledo, OH 611,805 69. Youngstown-Warren, OH 595,215 70. Springfield, MA 591,110 71. Baton Rouge, LA 570,165 72. Little Rock-North Little Rock, AR 552,194 73. Stockton-Lodi, CA 542,504 74. Sarasota-Bradenton, FL 538,783 75. Wichita, KS 530,508 76. Mobile, AL 527,118 77. McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX 510,922 78. Charleston-North Charleston, SC 509,856 79. Columbia, SC 503,948 80. Colorado Springs, CO 480,041 81. Fort Wayne, IN 477,536 82. Daytona Beach, FL 465,925 83. Melbourne-Titusville-Palm Bay, FL 460,977 84. Johnson City-Kingsport-Bristol, TN-VA 460,147 85. Augusta-Aiken, GA-SC 457,228 86. Lancaster, PA 454,063 87. Lakeland-Winter Haven, FL 448,646 88. Chattanooga, TN-GA 447,488 89. Lansing-East Lansing, MI 447,349 90. Kalamazoo-Battle Creek, MI 446,699 91. Lexington, KY 444,073 92. Des Moines, IA 429,717 93. Jackson, MS 425,383 94. Modesto, CA 421,818 95. Spokane, WA 404,650 96. Saginaw-Bay City-Midland, MI 402,949 97. Canton-Massillon, OH 402,644 98. Madison, WI 397,511 99. Pensacola, FL 397,085 100. Santa Barbara-Santa Maria-Lompoc, CA 390,199

06-26-2003, 04:32 PM	#17
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	The first metro area that I see on A's list w/o a team is Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, VA 1,544,945 Is that right?

06-26-2003, 04:33 PM	#18
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Wow, wouldn't have picked VA Beach metro area for largest city including metro area without a major sports team. Anrhy, you've been on quite an info hunt today. JAG

06-26-2003, 04:48 PM	#19
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	JAG, thanks, it comes with the territory of being a geographer. Couple of trivia remarks that I have used to throw folks. Many are surprised that Atlanta is not the South's (non-Texas) largest city. Even Virginia Beach have been larger than Atlanta for a few decades. I always like to shock folks in saying that San Antonio is a top 10 city (has been since 1980), most don't realize that. They were #10 but keeps moving up as Detroit goes down. San Jose is #11 and bigger than San Francisco. Most, again, do not realize that even though San Jose has been stuck on #11 for quite a while. When I got interested in this city list in the 1960s, the top 5 were NY-Chic-LA-Phil-Det (if I recall). The migration shifts since 1960 have been historic, along the lines of the post-Civil War shift to the North and the Westward migration before that.

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