IWS #42 Results

[EagleFan]

1. Worst head coach in your opinion.

Shula and LeBeau had the early lead, Kotite had a surge near the end but Shula had a couple late votes to be get the most votes.

Dave Shula - 6
Rich Kotite - 5 (oh the pain of the memories)
Dick LeBeau - 4
Marty Mornhenwig (sp?) - 3
Barry Switzer - 2
Mike Brown - 1
Bruce Coslet - 1
Jerry Glanville - 1
Bruce Belicheck - 1
Dave Campo - 1
Chan Gailey - 1
Ray Handley - 1
Wayne Fontes - 1

2. Specific Winter Olympic Event.

I put specific in there for a reason, so that hockey or skiiing wouldn't be an answer, I had hoped. It looks like those who followed the actual question are at a disadvantage, but this is I'm with stupid .

Hockey - 10 (Field, Ice, Men's...?)
Ice Hockey - 6 (Men's or Women's ?)
Men's Ice Hockey - 2
Figure Skating - 2 (Men's or Women's)
Curling - 1
Downhill Skiing - 1
Speed Skating - 1
Bobsled - 1
The 100 - 1
Men's Curling - 1
Women's Figure Skating - 1
Luge - 1

3. Name a team fro the USFL.

I was surprised how few votes the only dynasty of the league got, the Stars. I guess Donald Trump's money won out.

New Jersey Generals - 11
Los Angeles Express - 5
Houston Gamblers - 3
Michigan Panthers - 2
Birmingham Stallions - 1
Philadelphia Stars - 1
NY/NJ Knights - 1 (not the right league)
Tampa Bay - 1
Orlando Thunder - 1
Washington Federals - 1
Chicago Blitz - 1

4. Jim's next game.

I was hoping the earlier olympic question would bring out a few hockey and curling answers.

Front Office Baseball - 12
TCY 2 - 8
Front Office Curling - 3
Front Office Hockey - 2
FOF 5 - 1
Basketball - 1
OOTP6 - 1 (Marcus getting canned from his own game?)

5. Best game console in your opinion.

X-Box owners units...

Playstation 2 - 15
X- Box - 4
NES - 4
SNES - 2
Playstation - 1
Madden Football - 1
Techmo Bowl - 1

6. Whole number from 1 to 20.

Well split with the middle of the start, with a few mystery ones.

10 - 9
1 - 8
20 - 2
7 - 2
3 - 2
8 - 1
11 -1
13 - 1
2 - 1
No Answer - 1

7. Future Hall of Famer in the MLB.

If you didn't say Barry it's game over.

Barry Bonds - 18
Roger Clemens - 7
Greg Maddux - 1
Randy Johnson - 1
Alex Rodriquez - 1



Final Standings - 19,245,600 would be 100%
pjstp20 - 8,553,600 (44.4%)
MIJB#19 - 1,382,400 (7.1%)
Maple Leafs - 1,247,400 (6.5%)
Dutch - 1,069,200 (5.6 %)
JeeberD - 1,026,432 (5.3%)
albionmoonlight - 746,496 (3.9%)
Samdari - 498,960 (2.6%)
Butter_of_69 - 443,520 (2.3%)
KWhit - 427,680 (2.2%)
bryce - 342,144 (1.8%)
panerd - 332,640 (1.7%)
cuervo72 - 291,600 (1.5%)
Wolfpack - 291,600 (1.5%)
Shorty3281 - 155,520 (0.8%)
Draft Dodger - 48,600 (0.3%)
QuikSand - 47,520 (0.2%)
VPI97 - 36,960 (0.2%)
Blade - 32,400 (0.2%)
Frozen Rope - 32,400 (0.2%)
Chief Rum - 24,300 (0.1%)
rlfreeze - 22,400 (0.1%)
Mustang - 10,800 (0.1%)
TheLionKing - 9 720 (0.1%)
Anxiety - 9,600 (0.1%)
mrsimperless - 6,912 (0.04%)
Alf - 4,608 (0.02%)
Sybot - 280 (0.001%)
tucker342 - 96 (0.0005%)


The spreadsheet can be downloaded at www.simleagues.net/iws42.xlr

pjstp20 has the honors for IWS 43.

[tucker342]

wow, my first last place finish, that was pretty ugly...

[Dutch]

A respectable 4th place in my first IWS contest ever.

[MIJB#19]

No lies at all, I did take second place!
Not to mention with probably an all time lowest score for a second place with just 7.1%.

It's time to update my signature...

[Abe Sargent]

I am back in the rear sucking a hind cow's teet.


-Anxiety

[MIJB#19]

Originally posted by Dutch
A respectable 4th place in my first IWS contest ever.

According to the all time spreadsheet, this was your second participation.
You ended up 30th of 41 participants in the very first IWS.

[MIJB#19]

If pjstp20 does not want to host the next IWS, I'd be happy to host IWS#43.
If pjstp20 does want to host the next IWS, I'd be happy to participate in IWS#43.

[Dutch]

MIJB,

That's almost scary....people on FOFC know more about me than....I do? Perhaps my approval of Ronald Reagan is starting to make sense.

[MIJB#19]

Nah, I was just updating the all time scoring and your name was already on the list of participants.

Sadly, I can't upload (to my website) the updated spreadsheets at the moment, there seems to be a server error at UnitedStates.Com, again.

[pjstp20]

Originally posted by MIJB#19
If pjstp20 does not want to host the next IWS, I'd be happy to host IWS#43.
If pjstp20 does want to host the next IWS, I'd be happy to participate in IWS#43.

Have fun hosting. Damn I spanked all your asses huh?

[MIJB#19]

Originally posted by pjstp20
Have fun hosting. Damn I spanked all your asses huh?

Well eh, you're the man, you make the choice.

IWS#43 will be up on Monday, depending on research for good questions and feedback from non-participants.

[tucker342]

Don't make them too difficult

[tucker342]

I don't want to get last again...

[Samdari]

Ummm, technically, Ice Hockey is considered an "event" at the winter olympics.

[cuervo72]

Boy, that's the last time I'll be specific about something.

[Sybot]

Eeek. Next to last. I guess the NY/NJ Knights answer got me.

[JeeberD]

Another top five finish with no victories. Just call me Phil Mickelson...

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by cuervo72
Boy, that's the last time I'll be specific about something.

I recognize and still believe in the all-encompassing power of the gamemaster to be judge, and am certainly not looking to point fingers, but I think there's a constructive example here...

With the olympic sports question, it's clear that not everyone interpreted "specific" the same way. And the gamemaster is well within his rights to separate groups however he pleases.

That said - this split:

Hockey - 10 (Field, Ice, Men's...?)
Ice Hockey - 6 (Men's or Women's ?)
Men's Ice Hockey - 2
Figure Skating - 2 (Men's or Women's)
Curling - 1
Downhill Skiing - 1
Speed Skating - 1
Bobsled - 1
The 100 - 1
Men's Curling - 1
Women's Figure Skating - 1
Luge - 1

...ended up doing a few things that may not be desirable. First, since the responses just so happened to be in descending order of specificity, this scoring turns out to have totally screwed the people who did the best job of following directions. In my mind, it's fairly clear that the people answering hockey, ice hockey, and men's ice hockey all had the exact same sport in mind - but the person who followed directions and spelled out the gender and surface gets penalized the most of all due to other people's laziness. All in all, I'd rather see it the other way around.

For future IWS gamemasters, here's what I did in a similar circumstance some time ago. I decided that the "most precise" answer ought to be rewarded rather than penalized (especially in a circumstance where the precision was requested), and I decided to come up with what I judged to be "non-reciprocal" matches. So, in this case, I'd give points to the guy who said "men's ice hockey" for everyone who said "hockey," but not vice versa.

So, under that rule, here's how I'd have scored this set of responses:

Men's Ice Hockey - 18
Ice Hockey - 16
Hockey - 10
Women's Figure Skating - 3
Figure Skating - 2
Men's Curling - 2
Curling - 1
Downhill Skiing - 1
Speed Skating - 1
Bobsled - 1
The 100 - 1
Luge - 1


Okay, I admit the logic softens up a bit with regard to "men's curling" but everywhere else I think this provides the best balance of proper incentives.

Again, I am by no means challenging the scores above. Rather, these are submitted simply for consideration by future IWS gamemasters who face similar circumstances.

[EagleFan]

Couterpoint. It's not a quiz of knowledge, but an I'm with Stupid. The whole idea of the contest is to predict the possible answers supplied by others, whether those answers are right or wrong.

[QuikSand]

And of course, the whole thing is open to interpretation by the gamemaster, which is absolutely beyond dispute. I'm not trying to suggest your method was wrong, only that it creates some perverse inventives that future gamemasters might seek to avoid. This seems to me to be one way to do so.

You can get downright ridiculous with parsing out various "different answers" - do you punish every person who misspells a word in their otherwise high-scoring answer? Is the person who typos "hokcey" instead of "hockey" deserving of a last place finish? Technically, it's a different answer than the others, right?

Again, it's entirely up to the gamemaster, who is free to resolve any of these things in advance to the extent practical or desirable. In my judgment, a sound strategy is to pursue the most sensible rewards for what seem to be the most common answers - with the GM's best judgemnt involved.

[EagleFan]

The worst part is that I had an example written in but was afraid that it would lead the answers and I didn't want to 'lead the witness'.

[Marmel]

Quiksand, are you mad because you didn't win your 17th IWS contest?

[Anrhydeddu]

Originally posted by EagleFan
Couterpoint. It's not a quiz of knowledge, but an I'm with Stupid. The whole idea of the contest is to predict the possible answers supplied by others, whether those answers are right or wrong.

It is my opinion in that I believe QS has a fairly good handle on the rules and intent.

[cuervo72]

I understand both points, and should have known that being "with stupid", nobody would be specific (just kidding)

But for a couple of my past questions....

Name a Brady:
Marsha - 8
Marcia - 3

Name a European auto nameplate:
Mercedes - 4
Mercedes-Benz - 2

Now the first was mainly a spelling issue, the second had to do with level of detail (my Elvis song question could have been a complete mess). I lumped them together for scoring, but then I didn't say to be specific, which EF did. So I have no issue with the scoring, I'm just kicking myself for being TOO specific (one of the rules on Jeopardy - don't be specific until they ask you to be).

edit: technically, for #1 I listed "Rich Kotite, the damn bastard."

[EagleFan]

There's a difference between spelling errors and lack of detail.

If my directions tell you to stop at the second house on the right, or stop at the second red house on the right, it can be two entirely different places, or the same place. Now if I said scond house on the right, you can still figure out the spelling error.

What if 2 people said women's hockey and 2 said men's hockey. Would you give the points from hockey to each of the two groups. What is someone said field hockey? Would they get credit for the hockey answers as well?

Wow, MIJB#19 finishes in second and there's a backlash to it.

[EagleFan]

Oh, and Rich Kotite is a damn bastard!!!

I might have counted any votes that simply said 'The damn bastard' as Rich Kotite votes.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by EagleFan
There's a difference between spelling errors and lack of detail.

If my directions tell you to stop at the second house on the right, or stop at the second red house on the right, it can be two entirely different places, or the same place. Now if I said scond house on the right, you can still figure out the spelling error.

What if 2 people said women's hockey and 2 said men's hockey. Would you give the points from hockey to each of the two groups. What is someone said field hockey? Would they get credit for the hockey answers as well?

Wow, MIJB#19 finishes in second and there's a backlash to it.

Actually, QS's scoring would take care of that, as you would score it 2+hockey, 2+hockey, 1+hockey.

That's one thing about IWS as opposed to MMR - for MMR, you can penalize for answers that are incorrect, whereas you can't do that in IWS (or at least it hasn't been done). In your house analogy, I would argue that those that answered "hockey" would have wound up on the second house on the right, even though you specifed the second red house on the right.

[MIJB#19]

Myself, I remember awnsering: (Ice) Hockey
And that was because I expected some people to post hockey, others to post ice hockey and basically none would type men's ice hockey.

With me currently hosting, there seem to be little changes on these kind of issues, only one question is very open for awnsers, while the others only have obvious awnsers or are a spelling contest.

The end of the line is that though QuikSand made the rules, every participant agrees with the one sentance being the decission maker:

All determinations of “matches” and anything else requiring judgment fall to that of the sole administrator of this puzzle, FILL IN NAME. You can reduce the need for doubt and judgment by properly spelling your submissions, being clear, that sort of thing.