Effect of Experience - Real Result

[Desnudo]

In a just completed friendly, my forward, whose previous best performance was 2 stars, and who had dropped in form from passable to inad., pulled 2.5 stars. He has Weak experience.

[Coffee Warlord]

Interesting.

I've got a friendly in a short while, with a wide range of experiences, and I know exactly what all their stars should be. I'll post results here.

[BillyNYC]

Originally posted by Desnudo
In a just completed friendly, my forward, whose previous best performance was 2 stars, and who had dropped in form from passable to inad., pulled 2.5 stars. He has Weak experience.

Does he have any specialties?

[TargetPractice6]

Im playing my starters in tomorrow's friendly. I can't wait to see how well Bautista does. Also remember that the effect of experience curently is only half of what the devs plan on it being.

[damnMikeBrown]

Was the forward effected by any weather as it pertains to the specialties he may have?

[MacroGuru]

You know, experience is going to kill me. I have a very young team (Most 17 - 19) and their experience is disastorous.

I think I am screwed.

[KevinNU7]

This should effect most of my starting line-up negatively since I'm a new team and pretty much fired all the old players on my team to load up on youth. This blows. I was pulling some good numbers and recently had some young gun midfielders pop, and now this is going to F-up my ratings for next season

[Desnudo]

To answer a few posts, no he doesn't have any specialities, unless you count Mediocrity. Although now he's my superstar #2 starter. I can't wait to see what happens if he gets to passable or solid form again.

[BillyNYC]

Experience doesn't just affect new teams

My team's got crap experience across the board really. I tried to build a young team that doesn't need replacement every 1-2 seasons.

As such, my keeper's passable in experience. Everyone else is below that, except my old Thai nat. teamer. He's brilliant, and hopefully will be a sizable help.

My concern with the rule changes is that it'll make having nat. teamers extremely important and place way too much of a premium on them. Additionally, the experience from being a nat. teamer is too much IMHO. A 20 year old Hong Kong U-20 shouldn't have more experience than a 33 year old regular (yet mediocre) starter for 10 seasons.

(Of course, I just bought a Hong Kong U-20...so it could potentially help me...but anyways)

[Desnudo]

I agree about the experience gained, even when it didn't matter much I thought it was garbage to get that much for national team. At least they did say that the effects would not be linear. So there's a much bigger difference between weak and poor vs. excellent and formidable, etc..

[Aesyrqwe]

my team is full of youngens..

my best experience is from my 28 (soon 29) year old 2.5 star forward. hes got weak experience..

-Aes-

[TargetPractice6]

I dont think its garbage to get that much experience. WE used to get supporters every time they played. Once they took those away, the only incentive to have national players is experience (well pride too). Otherwise there would be no reason to have a player that has an added risk of injury in national games.

[DataKing]

My concern isn't so much the national team players. They're such a small number (maybe a thousand, worldwide?) compared to the massive number of total players within Hattrick, that they won't throw things so heavily out of whack.

My concern is the massive difference in experience awarded for playing in a friendly match vs. playing in a national cup match. Even if a non-cup team plays an international friendly, every single player on a cup team earns ten times as much experience as the non-cup team for their Wednesday match. This is way too big of a disparity which affects way too many players to be considered reasonable.

Now, I'm not looking for friendly matches to give as much experience as cup matches, or even as much as league matches. But domestic and international friendlies should definitely be worth more than they are at present, experience wise. The current disparity is just too great.

[Coffee Warlord]

As someone also noted. There seems to be no logical progression on experience gains either, which is a huge problem, since experience is looking to be rather important here.

[apoc]

2.5 int friendlies are worth 1 league game in experience and 5 int friendlies are worth a cup game. I guess they could bump it up a little though

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by apoc
2.5 int friendlies are worth 1 league game in experience and 5 int friendlies are worth a cup game. I guess they could bump it up a little though

What's a regular friendly worth?

[damnMikeBrown]

Has that value been recently changed? What's most troubling is the -common- occurance of playing a guy for a couple seasons, with not 1 experience pop. Then, I play my keeper this year, and he gets 2. That means all experience is not equal, or all players do not react to experience equally.

Having a defined value for experience given in a match is rather meaningless if the amount needed to pop is random.

[Doug5984]

For me this change is very bitter sweet- I have an old midfield 32, 33, 29...with one winger who is 32. Thier experience are as follows- inadequate, passable, poor, passable. the bitter sweet part was I just sold the 32 year old winger with passable experience...he was about the same ratings as a new youth pull but i decided to keep the youth pull since he was younger and a youth pull of mine, now if i had known about this change I would have sold the youth pull instead, oh well. Hopefully the gain experience has will really help my midfield since I will be struggling to avoid auto-demotion in IV.

[Coffee Warlord]

My keeper, who has played every match, league, cup & friendly for the entire season, is still at disastrous form.

Go figure.

[Airhog]

sweet, my foward has passable experience, that means he should hit 3 stars, maybe even more.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by apoc
2.5 int friendlies are worth 1 league game in experience and 5 int friendlies are worth a cup game. I guess they could bump it up a little though

My god! A cup game is worth two fixtures!! This definately needs to change. There's no way cup games should be worth nearly this much. To say nothing for what a U-20 or Nat team gets.

SI

[Alf]

In real life football, Cup games are really more important (experience wise) than regular season league games. C'est la vie !

[Desnudo]

Do friendlies flagged as "Cup" matches count for the 2.5 gain?

[ausonny]

Originally posted by Desnudo
Do friendlies flagged as "Cup" matches count for the 2.5 gain?

unfortunately no.

[BishopMVP]

Just for some more information on possible effects:

Stefan Pettersson (77647)
34 years, inadequate form, healthy

A controversial person who is balanced and honest.
Has outstanding experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Speciality: Quick

Nationality: Sverige
Assessed value: 12 000 US$
Wage: 900 US$/week including 20% Bonus

Stamina: passable Goaltending: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: solid

His highest ratings before today for me was *** at CD. Today when "Weather conditions were fairly good for football", he tossed up ***~. As you can see, he is in inadequate form. The 74,000 I paid for this guy is looking very good now indeed.

[Bee]

He'll make a heckuva coach too.

[DukeRulesMAB]

Wow, that guy'll be a sweet coach when he's eligible, too. Congrats.

[BishopMVP]

If I didn't already have a solid coach I'd turn him into an excellent player-coach right now. Now I'll wat until my solid starts deteriorating past disastrous experience. Only problem with Petterson is controversial/inadequate could hurt team spirit.

[TargetPractice6]

The contro personality shouldn't do anything as long as you another played with better leadership (and its even debatable whether or not coaches can be the team leader).

[BishopMVP]

Originally posted by TargetPractice6
The contro personality shouldn't do anything as long as you another played with better leadership (and its even debatable whether or not coaches can be the team leader).

And to think I was debating whether to put in something about TP6 showing up and denouncing team chemistry

[Richards]

Originally posted by Alf
In real life football, Cup games are really more important (experience wise) than regular season league games. C'est la vie !

I totally agree. Among other things, I take experience expanded to mean - experience in competitive situations - IRL, a friendly would give you next to none, while a cup game a lot, national team even more...so I think it's pretty close to about right.

Look at it this way, in american football, when it comes playoff time, a premium is placed on "Playoff Experience" implying that it is much more valuable than regular season game. Another example, let's say you had a QB who was 28, and had played in 30 preseason games, 2 full seasons worth--ONLY. Would you want him in the big playoff game for you? His experience is pretty low.

I'd put a friendly futbol match even lower on the competitive scale than a preseason football game, so the experience gained for friendly should be very low, comparatively.

so if you look at it this way, a friendly is roughly a preseason game, cup games = playoffs, and national team games = the coveted "Super Bowl Experience", it seems about right. Now whether playoff and super bowl experience really count for all that much, thats another thread...

[sterlingice]

But as it's weighted now, in game, a 2nd year QB on a good team who makes the Super Bowl has more experience than a 30yo veteran QB who has only played in 2 playoff games with a perennial loser. The veteran QB should have the edge in experience.

SI