BREAKING NEWS: KOBE

vtbub · 07-18-2003, 04:06 PM

One count of sexual assault filed.

Charges 4 years to life in prision and 20 years probation if found guilty.

Bryant due back in court August 6th.

Anrhydeddu · 07-18-2003, 04:08 PM

Plea bargain, suspended sentence and community service. You'll see.

vtbub · 07-18-2003, 04:11 PM

He'd have to register as a sex offender in that case.

Anrhydeddu · 07-18-2003, 04:12 PM

In just Eagle Co.?

Philliesfan980 · 07-18-2003, 04:13 PM

IF HE'S GUILTY (***IMPORTANT***), he should do the time.

seriously, if any one of us was found guilty of this crime , squeeky clean record or not, we'd be thrown in jail.

Ideas?

vtbub · 07-18-2003, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
In just Eagle Co.?

Not really sure how that works. Isiddiqui?

Noop · 07-18-2003, 04:25 PM

Damn I hate that bitch for trying to fuck up his career. She just want to get money from him. Bitch....

noop

Craptacular · 07-18-2003, 04:27 PM

Obey your thirst Kobe.

Franklinnoble · 07-18-2003, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Noop
Damn I hate that bitch for trying to fuck up his career. She just want to get money from him. Bitch....

noop

Yeah, of course. It MUST be the woman that's lying. I mean, after all, pro athletes don't ever abuse women, do they?

Anrhydeddu · 07-18-2003, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Noop
Damn I hate that bitch for trying to fuck up his career. She just want to get money from him. Bitch....

noop

Remind the Eagle Co. DA not to call you for jury duty.

Noop · 07-18-2003, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Yeah, of course. It MUST be the woman that's lying. I mean, after all, pro athletes don't ever abuse women, do they?

I bet the bitch is lying cause she wants money period! I'm only 16 and I know when a bitch see's me she only see's dollar $$$. And I had a close friend get charged for the same cause she wanted money from him and she was lying. Moral of this is gold diggin ass hoes aint and never will be shit.

noop

Philliesfan980 · 07-18-2003, 04:33 PM

Ok, in all seriousness guys, what will happen to him if he's found guilty?

Noop · 07-18-2003, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
Remind the Eagle Co. DA not to call you for jury duty.

I cant be on a jury(to young

) but I seen what a charge like this do to people.

noop

vtbub · 07-18-2003, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by Philliesfan980
Ok, in all seriousness guys, what will happen to him if he's found guilty?

Some combo of jail and probation.

damnMikeBrown · 07-18-2003, 04:35 PM

If he's guilty, he deserves to get a prison style 'triple-double'. That being guys three times his size, double teaming on him.

Anrhydeddu · 07-18-2003, 04:35 PM

Quote:

I bet the bitch is lying cause she wants money period! I'm only 16 and I know when a bitch see's me she only see's dollar $$$. And I had a close friend get charged for the same cause she wanted money from him and she was lying. Moral of this is gold diggin ass hoes aint and never will be shit.

The operative word.

Philliesfan980 · 07-18-2003, 04:38 PM

Is there any way he will avoid prison if he's found guilty? Does anyone know what he actually did? (It wasn't rape was it?).

Ryan S · 07-18-2003, 04:38 PM

This case brings up something I don't like about sexual assault trials.

They should either name both the accuser and the accused, or give both the right to anonymity.

I don't think it is right that the mans name is dragged through the mud before he has been found guilty of any crime, while the woman is unnamed even if she is proven to be a liar.

Franklinnoble · 07-18-2003, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Noop
I bet the bitch is lying cause she wants money period! I'm only 16 and I know when a bitch see's me she only see's dollar $$$. And I had a close friend get charged for the same cause she wanted money from him and she was lying. Moral of this is gold diggin ass hoes aint and never will be shit.

noop

Horns never mentioned having any kids...

Franklinnoble · 07-18-2003, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryan S
This case brings up something I don't like about sexual assault trials.

They should either name both the accuser and the accused, or give both the right to anonymity.

I don't think it is right that the mans name is dragged through the mud before he has been found guilty of any crime, while the woman is unnamed even if she is proven to be a liar.

They have to assume she's the victim here, and therefore doesn't need her name dragged through the mud.

If the case turns out to prove that Kobe is innocent, then I'm with you - her name should be made public.

atatange1 · 07-18-2003, 04:40 PM

I've been watching all this on ESPN. Am I the only one who thinks the alleged victim is gonna get put through the ringer? And ESPN will just keep replaying all the negative stuff about her on SportsCenter. All I've heard is "how will this affect the NBA season?" how bout, how badly will the affect the victim (allegedly)?

vtbub · 07-18-2003, 04:41 PM

It's rape, Sexual Assault is just a nice word for it.

On Ryan's point, pieces of her past and personality were featured front and center on the cable news channels here. We may not see what she looks like, but we will here a lot about her.

Anrhydeddu · 07-18-2003, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by atatange1
I've been watching all this on ESPN. Am I the only one who thinks the alleged victim is gonna get put through the ringer? And ESPN will just keep replaying all the negative stuff about her on SportsCenter. All I've heard is "how will this affect the NBA season?" how bout, how badly will the affect the victim (allegedly)?

It doesn't matter, noop has already declared that Kobe is the victim. But as media-centric trials goes, we will never know.

Philliesfan980 · 07-18-2003, 04:43 PM

So, now that he's been "charged" when does he offically have to turn himself in. It says that he has to go back to court in Aug, but doesn't he have to be arrested? Make him post bail at least.

Franklinnoble · 07-18-2003, 04:45 PM

He already posted $25k bail.

MylesKnight · 07-18-2003, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
Plea bargain, suspended sentence and community service. You'll see.

I think that's the bottom line.

Anyways, what is he doing cheating on his wife? Has anyone had a chance to check out what she looks like? WOW!!!

Philliesfan980 · 07-18-2003, 04:50 PM

This is great. I always thought he was a stuck up punk. He's going to 1. lose his wife, and 2. ruin his rep. And thats even if he's innocent of the criminal charges.

Anrhydeddu · 07-18-2003, 04:56 PM

Noop, yet you say nothing about him cheating on his wife or do you think that's an acceptable thing to do?

Franklinnoble · 07-18-2003, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by Philliesfan980
This is great. I always thought he was a stuck up punk. He's going to 1. lose his wife, and 2. ruin his rep. And thats even if he's innocent of the criminal charges.

If I'm Mrs. Kobe, I'm hiring a top-notch divorce attorney and taking him to the cleaners... right after the end of next season when he signs a fat free agent contract.

Then again... if I were Mrs. Kobe, I'd have other issues to worry about...

Philliesfan980 · 07-18-2003, 05:09 PM

Yeah, I mean, what are the chances that he got caught cheating on his first time??? I'd def be getting checked out throughly if I were her.

As for the possible trial. Do you think they'd really wait to the end of the season to start it?

IMetTrentGreen · 07-18-2003, 05:13 PM

well at least now he should have some "street cred"

Blackadar · 07-18-2003, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Noop
I bet the bitch is lying cause she wants money period! I'm only 16 and I know when a bitch see's me she only see's dollar $$$. And I had a close friend get charged for the same cause she wanted money from him and she was lying. Moral of this is gold diggin ass hoes aint and never will be shit.

noop

Yep, you've got the life experience to make an informed, educated, rational decision.

VPI97 · 07-18-2003, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Noop
I bet the bitch is lying cause she wants money period!

He probably should have thought about that before he stuck his dick into some random woman who wasn't his wife.

DeToxRox · 07-18-2003, 05:21 PM

David Aldgride is now reporting the Portland Trail Blazers are showing interest in Kobe Bryant.

Of course, this is a fleeting cause, as a few years ago, they couldn't pull the trigger on that Jason Kidd deal.

MrBug708 · 07-18-2003, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by vtbub
It's rape, Sexual Assault is just a nice word for it.

Curious, but if it's rape, what is the difference between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd degree Sexual Assault?

Franklinnoble · 07-18-2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by MrBug708
Curious, but if it's rape, what is the difference between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd degree Sexual Assault?

Probably akin to the difference between abortions in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd trimester... we make ourselves feel better by putting a degree of measurement on it, but in the end, a kid is still getting killed... or, in this case, somebody's still getting f*cked.

MrBug708 · 07-18-2003, 05:31 PM

So, would this be something like, it seemed like a good idea, we went with it, I wanted him to stop and he finished up anyways?

neofied · 07-18-2003, 05:35 PM

The thing is that this is one of those cases where a plea bargain can work against you. Yes, he would have to register as a sex offender and that mark would stay with him for life.

I believe he would have to register as a sex offender wherever he lived. Meaning, he'd have to register in L.A. County or whatever place he lives in SoCal.

Regardless of where he registers, he'd still be considered a registered sex offender by just about everyone. Sort of like the Scarlet Letter.

TroyF · 07-18-2003, 05:37 PM

Anrh,

I doubt very seriously you'll see a plea bargain in this case. Not saying it couldn't happen, but I don't believe it will .

People simply do not understand the county this took place in. They don't charge celebrities if they don't have to. They cater to making sure celebs have a high degree of privacy.

I told everyone when the charges originally broke that I prayed I was wrong, but that he'd be charged and this would go to trial. Kobe has a huge advantage in winning the case. They have to prove without a reasonable doubt something occured. If the bruising on her isn't bad, it'll be tough to prove that fact.

Still, I think they probably have some heavy duty evidence against Kobe. They would never have arrested him without it. The fact they spent as long as they did before making the official charge indicates much of that evidence checked out.

On a side note, I don't think Kobe has any desire to cop a plea in this case. A majority of the people I've heard in the media and have talked to in person are siding with him. I don't think he wants to admit guilt of anything. Now that he's charged, he's going to either want the charge thrown out of court or he's going to want a jury to find him not guilty.

TroyF

VPI97 · 07-18-2003, 05:38 PM

First Degree Sexual Assault - Involves sexual intercourse or contact with a person without their consent which: (a) causes pregnancy and/or great bodily harm to that person, (b) involves the use or threat of a dangerous weapon, or (c) involves the use or threat of violence and is aided or abetted by one or more other persons.
Second Degree Sexual Assault - A situation involving sexual intercourse or contact without the consent of the person and included one of the following: bodily injury, inability to give consent, use or threat of force or violence or two or more people were involved.
Third Degree Sexual Assault - Involves sexual intercourse and lack of consent of the person.

TroyF · 07-18-2003, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by MrBug708
So, would this be something like, it seemed like a good idea, we went with it, I wanted him to stop and he finished up anyways?

I don't think any of us can judge what it was. Unless you've talked to Kobe or the girl or have a way to get to the evidence the Eagle County DA is holding, we have no idea.

The girl could certainly be a gold digger. If she is, she'll likely have a past of some sort. If she's worked at the hotel for any length of time at all, she's dealt with a ton of Hollywood and sports stars. Was Kobe the first she could seduce? Were there others she slept with where she didn't file charges?

We just don't know.

What we do know for a fact now is that Kobe used horrific judgement. In his position, you simply don't nail the 19 year old desk clerk at a hotel. Everytime you do something like that when you are in the public eye, you are playing russian roulette. Have an affair with a Laker Girl. Find a high class call girl (who are all over Vail and Aspen). Don't look for 19 year old girls. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

TroyF

Franklinnoble · 07-18-2003, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TroyF

What we do know for a fact now is that Kobe used horrific judgement. In his position, you simply don't nail the 19 year old desk clerk at a hotel. Everytime you do something like that when you are in the public eye, you are playing russian roulette. Have an affair with a Laker Girl. Find a high class call girl (who are all over Vail and Aspen). Don't look for 19 year old girls. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

True. Even a top-notch call girl wouldn't cost Kobe more than $1000. His attorney probably charged him 3x that just to prepare one public statement...

GrantDawg · 07-18-2003, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by VPI97

Third Degree Sexual Assault - Involves sexual intercourse and lack of consent of the person.

Boy, that is going to be hard to prove. That suggests no proof of force, just some sort of coercion ("I said stop and he didn't"). It is he said, she said unless they have a witness or video tape.

Franklinnoble · 07-18-2003, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by GrantDawg
Boy, that is going to be hard to prove. That suggests no proof of force, just some sort of coercion ("I said stop and he didn't"). It is he said, she said unless they have a witness or video tape.

I'm planning on selling the videotape on E-bay this weekend.

andy m · 07-18-2003, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Noop
I bet the bitch is lying cause she wants money period! I'm only 16 and I know when a bitch see's me she only see's dollar $$$. And I had a close friend get charged for the same cause she wanted money from him and she was lying. Moral of this is gold diggin ass hoes aint and never will be shit.

noop

your pathetic sexist language suggests you have serious issues with females. good luck figuring this out, because it's something you really need to get sorted.

Ryan S · 07-18-2003, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by Franklinnoble
They have to assume she's the victim here, and therefore doesn't need her name dragged through the mud.

But they also must assume Kobe is innocent until proven guilty, so he should not be named either.

If he is innocent, he does not need his name dragged through the mud. This charge is so serious that it will leave a mark against his name even if he is proven to be totally innocent.

GrantDawg · 07-18-2003, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Ryan S
But they also must assume Kobe is innocent until proven guilty, so he should not be named either.

If he is innocent, he does not need his name dragged through the mud. This charge is so serious that it will leave a mark against his name even if he is proven to be totally innocent.

Agreed. Doesn't the British courts have a rule along this line (or maybe the Canadians)?

MrBug708 · 07-18-2003, 06:38 PM

Franklin, you could probably sell the tape to Kobe a lot more then on the internet.

On second thought....

sabotai · 07-18-2003, 07:03 PM

"Probably akin to the difference between abortions in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd trimester... we make ourselves feel better by putting a degree of measurement on it, but in the end, a kid is still getting killed... or, in this case, somebody's still getting f*cked."

Worst. Analogy. Ever.

TroyF · 07-18-2003, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by GrantDawg
Boy, that is going to be hard to prove. That suggests no proof of force, just some sort of coercion ("I said stop and he didn't"). It is he said, she said unless they have a witness or video tape.

Thing is, he's not being charged with that.

Exact wording of Kobe Bryant's charge

I'd bet money they have some serious bruising evidence. Maybe not only penetration bruising. (evidence of arms being forcibly held, that type of thing)

It's going to be a LONG 6 months for Kobe Bryant.

TroyF

07-18-2003, 04:11 PM	#3
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	He'd have to register as a sex offender in that case. __________________

07-18-2003, 04:25 PM	#7
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida	Damn I hate that bitch for trying to fuck up his career. She just want to get money from him. Bitch.... noop __________________ Living in an Oligarchy. Last edited by Noop : 07-18-2003 at 04:25 PM.

07-18-2003, 04:41 PM	#22
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	It's rape, Sexual Assault is just a nice word for it. On Ryan's point, pieces of her past and personality were featured front and center on the cable news channels here. We may not see what she looks like, but we will here a lot about her. __________________

07-18-2003, 05:38 PM	#40
VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Kennesaw, GA	First Degree Sexual Assault - Involves sexual intercourse or contact with a person without their consent which: (a) causes pregnancy and/or great bodily harm to that person, (b) involves the use or threat of a dangerous weapon, or (c) involves the use or threat of violence and is aided or abetted by one or more other persons. Second Degree Sexual Assault - A situation involving sexual intercourse or contact without the consent of the person and included one of the following: bodily injury, inability to give consent, use or threat of force or violence or two or more people were involved. Third Degree Sexual Assault - Involves sexual intercourse and lack of consent of the person. __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

07-18-2003, 04:08 PM	#2
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	Plea bargain, suspended sentence and community service. You'll see.

07-18-2003, 04:12 PM	#4
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	In just Eagle Co.?

07-18-2003, 04:13 PM	#5
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	IF HE'S GUILTY (*IMPORTANT*), he should do the time. seriously, if any one of us was found guilty of this crime , squeeky clean record or not, we'd be thrown in jail. Ideas?

07-18-2003, 04:27 PM	#8
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	Obey your thirst Kobe.

07-18-2003, 04:33 PM	#12
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	Ok, in all seriousness guys, what will happen to him if he's found guilty?

07-18-2003, 04:35 PM	#15
damnMikeBrown College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cincinnati, OH	If he's guilty, he deserves to get a prison style 'triple-double'. That being guys three times his size, double teaming on him.

07-18-2003, 04:38 PM	#17
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	Is there any way he will avoid prison if he's found guilty? Does anyone know what he actually did? (It wasn't rape was it?).

07-18-2003, 04:38 PM	#18
Ryan S Quarterback Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: London, England	This case brings up something I don't like about sexual assault trials. They should either name both the accuser and the accused, or give both the right to anonymity. I don't think it is right that the mans name is dragged through the mud before he has been found guilty of any crime, while the woman is unnamed even if she is proven to be a liar.

07-18-2003, 04:40 PM	#21
atatange1 High School JV Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: WA state	I've been watching all this on ESPN. Am I the only one who thinks the alleged victim is gonna get put through the ringer? And ESPN will just keep replaying all the negative stuff about her on SportsCenter. All I've heard is "how will this affect the NBA season?" how bout, how badly will the affect the victim (allegedly)?

07-18-2003, 04:43 PM	#24
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	So, now that he's been "charged" when does he offically have to turn himself in. It says that he has to go back to court in Aug, but doesn't he have to be arrested? Make him post bail at least.

07-18-2003, 04:45 PM	#25
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	He already posted $25k bail.

07-18-2003, 04:50 PM	#27
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	This is great. I always thought he was a stuck up punk. He's going to 1. lose his wife, and 2. ruin his rep. And thats even if he's innocent of the criminal charges.

07-18-2003, 04:56 PM	#28
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	Noop, yet you say nothing about him cheating on his wife or do you think that's an acceptable thing to do?

07-18-2003, 05:09 PM	#30
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	Yeah, I mean, what are the chances that he got caught cheating on his first time??? I'd def be getting checked out throughly if I were her. As for the possible trial. Do you think they'd really wait to the end of the season to start it?

07-18-2003, 05:13 PM	#31
IMetTrentGreen College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Austin, Texas	well at least now he should have some "street cred"

07-18-2003, 05:21 PM	#34
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	David Aldgride is now reporting the Portland Trail Blazers are showing interest in Kobe Bryant. Of course, this is a fleeting cause, as a few years ago, they couldn't pull the trigger on that Jason Kidd deal.

07-18-2003, 05:31 PM	#37
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	So, would this be something like, it seemed like a good idea, we went with it, I wanted him to stop and he finished up anyways?

07-18-2003, 05:35 PM	#38
neofied Banned Join Date: Jun 2003	The thing is that this is one of those cases where a plea bargain can work against you. Yes, he would have to register as a sex offender and that mark would stay with him for life. I believe he would have to register as a sex offender wherever he lived. Meaning, he'd have to register in L.A. County or whatever place he lives in SoCal. Regardless of where he registers, he'd still be considered a registered sex offender by just about everyone. Sort of like the Scarlet Letter.

07-18-2003, 05:37 PM	#39
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Anrh, I doubt very seriously you'll see a plea bargain in this case. Not saying it couldn't happen, but I don't believe it will . People simply do not understand the county this took place in. They don't charge celebrities if they don't have to. They cater to making sure celebs have a high degree of privacy. I told everyone when the charges originally broke that I prayed I was wrong, but that he'd be charged and this would go to trial. Kobe has a huge advantage in winning the case. They have to prove without a reasonable doubt something occured. If the bruising on her isn't bad, it'll be tough to prove that fact. Still, I think they probably have some heavy duty evidence against Kobe. They would never have arrested him without it. The fact they spent as long as they did before making the official charge indicates much of that evidence checked out. On a side note, I don't think Kobe has any desire to cop a plea in this case. A majority of the people I've heard in the media and have talked to in person are siding with him. I don't think he wants to admit guilt of anything. Now that he's charged, he's going to either want the charge thrown out of court or he's going to want a jury to find him not guilty. TroyF

07-18-2003, 06:38 PM	#48
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Franklin, you could probably sell the tape to Kobe a lot more then on the internet. On second thought....

07-18-2003, 07:03 PM	#49
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	"Probably akin to the difference between abortions in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd trimester... we make ourselves feel better by putting a degree of measurement on it, but in the end, a kid is still getting killed... or, in this case, somebody's still getting f*cked." Worst. Analogy. Ever.

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