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Join Date: Nov 2001
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Ethical Question about keeping money.
Here's the short of it.
As I posted a week or so ago, I quit my job at a grocery store. My mom finally got around to picking up my check from my last week there (I didn't want to go back). I get home from my other job, and she says there are 2 checks. I am a suprised, as there should only be 1 check. I open the first check, and it is normal, about 110 or so. I open the second check, and it says 375 (500 before taxes). I'm like "holy shit" and take it to my mom. She says this can't be right, as am I. She says I should give it back, I say fuck em. They screwed me over for 7 weeks there, and they deserve to be fucked in the ass. And 375 wont kill a major corp. Anyway, the check says it is retro pay. So we go look at my prior stubs from the first 4 weeks I worked there. This is b/c I wasn't paid for the first 5 weeks I wroked there, and they got me the checks 5 or 6 weeks late. We compute all the numbers, and it seems the new check is about $25 different from the other 4 checks combined. The hours are pretty close as well. She thinks they may have paid me twice for the first 4 weeks. I say its close, and its a maybe (probable). She is debating whether to let me keep the money (that and they never got my tax forms correct, so I've been paying about $20 too much in taxes each week). Ethical question: Should I keep the money or not? I say yes, part out of bitterness and part out of logic. If I find $20 on the street, or someone errs in my favor when giving me change (or the bank messes up by like $20) you would keep the money regardless. To me the amount shouldn't determine whether it is right or wrong. Would you keep the money? Esentially it is out of my hands. My mom said put it in the bank, but she needs to think about whether I can keep it. I told her if I put it in the bank, its mine, I'm not taking it out. My girl says keep it, they've fucked me over enough (plus she wants a ring, and I can't do it with the $$$$ I have now) And if you want to see my thread of grievances to see the bitterness angle, I can dredge it up as well. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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Keep it.
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Iowa City, IA
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keep it
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: toronto
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The extra $20 could be acrued vacation pay?
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Keene, NH
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"My girl says keep it, they've fucked me over enough (plus she wants a ring, and I can't do it with the $$$$ I have now)"
typical.
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
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I'd probably keep it, but I wouldn't kid myself that its the right thing to do. I normally give back incorrect change, as I don't want the poor cashier to get hosed. Here I'd attempt to justify it as payback for poor working conditions. If I didn't spend it soon, I'd probably be guilty enough to give it back.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Not getting too technical here, but there any number of school's of logic you could use to justify any position you want. That's part of the problem with logic.
At a previous employer, while I was on vacation the whack jobs in charge canned my boss. Unbeknownest to me, he hadn't turned in my vacation time off sheet to payroll, so when they laid off my entire department a month later, they paid me for the week of vacation. It took less than a second for me to cash that check. This company treated me and other employees very poorly and I had ZERO sympathy for them. One could argue that it was stealing, although I think that a week of vacation pay didn't even begin to make up for what they stole from me over two years. That being said, if I'm ever given too much change, if I catch it I always return it. I gave a clerk at McDonald's a $20 once and he gave it back to me with my change. When I pointed it out to him, at first he didn't believe me, then when he realized I was right, he said, "I can't believe you fixed that. I've never had anybody do that before. You get cookies man, you get cookies." And he proceeded to shove about five boxes of McDonald's cookies into my bag. So honesty can pay off. In the end, what you do has to be something that you are comfortable with. I'd also crunch the numbers again before you do anything, just to make sure there was an error. Retro pay can be confusing. |
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Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
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women will do anything for a ring (it has its perks... so to speak).
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
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I will admit I normally give back incorrect change.
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Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
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double dola,
my ethics are much more in line with the late night crowd than the afternoon/evening ![]() |
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Keene, NH
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I would keep it too.
mostly, because I wouldn't have taken the time to try to figure out why I got it. I would have just assumed that if they gave it to me, I had earned it.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Austin, Texas, USA
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Disco Stu says you got screwed!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - So keep it.
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: VA
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Keep it and use it to hire a hit on the entire corp....................or you can just keep it.
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Somerville, MA
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if you don't want to keep it i'd be more than happy to take it
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Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hometown of Canada
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It could be the pay you're suppossed to get for vacation or something? When I worked at A&W, I got a lot more money on my last pay cheque than I was suppossed to get, but the employer said it was the accumulation of vacation money.. or something like that.
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Iowa City, IA
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If you don't want it, can I have it?
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Location: Somerville, MA
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i already called dibs ![]() |
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Whittier
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Keep it. It'll be awhile, while the corporation figures out its numbers for their correct total, so there is at least anouther 10 days or so. Plus your time and money invested in getting it fixed wont be worth it
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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You get cookies, man! You get cookies!
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Burke, VA
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Has anybody picked up on the fact that Easy is going to propose soon, yet his mom is still making monetary decisions for him?
I think the real question here is not "Do I keep the money"? It's "How do I get my balls re-attached?" ![]() BTW, if you're not entitled to it, my advice is give it back.
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Join Date: May 2003
Location: heaven
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In front of the question you put "Ethical Question."
If it is ethics you want, you have to give it back, or there are no ethics involved. I may be stupid, but I agree with Cam (not that Cam is stupid. ). Do not start trying to get everything you FEEL you are entitled to. Get everything you ARE entitled to.
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The Town of Flower Mound
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I was just thinking the exact same thing... ![]()
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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What came to my mind was, "I thought Easy was older than 17," so it was along the same lines. |
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Kansas City, Mo
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Keep the money.. if your nervous about them coming back for it.. let it sit in the bank for a month.. i don't think they can claim anything after a month passes
I remember a story of a dude cashing one of those fake junk checks we all get in the mail for like 500k or something and going through a long drawn out process war with the bank.. And he ended up writing a book about it or some self help crap.. ![]() |
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The Town of Flower Mound
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Yeah, read about that years ago on Bored.com. I think they still have the article listed there. Long damn article...
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Join Date: Apr 2002
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Well, this is easy- you claim you gave back the money to your girlfriend and then keep it so that not only do you have the spare $20 from the company but you don't have to spend it and more on a ring. Wait, that wasn't the question was it? SI
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: California
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Employer gives you extra money - keep it. Don't try to justify what its for.
Of course, if they short you than you complain. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing
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Very honest, and probably where I would be with the issue.
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Join Date: Nov 2000
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Karma (or whatever you call it) has a funny way of making things come out even.
It's been my experience that keeping money in a case like this, or like a wrong-change windfall, is usually followed by car problems or something else that eats up just a little more than the "bonus" will cover. I'd probably give it back or at least bring the error to their attention & let them decide if they want it back and just cut out the middle man at the inevitable repair center. Just my .02
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Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
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well, my girl's car just broke last week, and she has to buy a new one, so I'll inheret the payments eventually. I think thats karma.
And it'd be a blessing if my piece of shit car broke down (of course, that only happens if I put a new radio or speakers in a car. Everytime I do that, within a week my car at the time breaks down for good). |
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Davis, CA
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This kind of thing happened to me at a company I worked for several years ago. I had direct deposit, and they deposited an extra paycheck into my account. I did tell them, and they said they would deal with it, but they never took the money back, nor did they ask me to do anything.
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Join Date: May 2001
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Did we all of a sudden step into 1950?
" 'My girl says keep it, they've fucked me over enough (plus she wants a ring, and I can't do it with the $$$$ I have now)' typical." Um, no that's not typical. And: "well, my girl's car just broke last week, and she has to buy a new one, so I'll inheret the payments eventually." Geez! This is so annoying. I guess I don't know the details of your situation, but is your girlfriend incapable of making any money to make her own car payments? I'm probably just in a bad mood. Oh wait, maybe I don't have any jewelry on at the moment. And since all girls need rings to the extent that it clouds their ethical judgment I suppose it could affect my mood also. But as to the topic, I'd say at least offer to give it back. They probably won't want to deal with the hassle of getting it back, and if they do, like someone said, there's karma. ETA -- I usually hate rabid feminists that make something out of nothing. But this was just so blatant and strange, I had to say something. Last edited by lurker : 07-29-2003 at 11:09 AM. |
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
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Why not simply ask for verification of the amounts you have been paid and the hours to which the payments are attributable? At this point, you aren't even sure if they are wrong, so there's no reason to tell them they overpaid you. Just ask them to verify that what you've received is correct. Chances are, they'll think that you think you've been underpaid.
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: St. Louis
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You guys amaze me on this one. Why not just break into the store and steal more money from them? They were mean to you, right?
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Join Date: Jul 2002
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It's probably more trouble than it's worth to try to sort out the accounting error, and that amount of money is really miniscule for a major corporation.
I'd probably keep what's mine and give the remainder to charity. Or my wife... depending on how long it's been since I got any. |
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Re: Ethical Question about keeping money.
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Did you really say this in front of your mom? ![]() |
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Join Date: Dec 2000
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I'm guessing that's why my company never did anything about it when I told them - plus, I suspect it's an accounting nightmare to deal with the fact that taxes have already been deducted and reported to the IRS. It's probably just not worth the hassle. |
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Right... the accountant on the payroll makes more per hour than it would be worth to have him spend all day sorting it out. |
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Join Date: Nov 2001
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well, doing calculations, they owe me 175 on taxes. Still leavews me with an extra $200 they're giving me.
Oh, and Cam, as long as she pays for the roof over my head and 1/3 of college (damn loans), she still has a say over my money. That and she put herself on my bank account, and I can't get her name taken off. Anyone know how to do that, the bank keeps telling me no. |
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Ahh, must be that tim....errr...nevermind... ![]()
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Open a new bank account. |
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Join Date: May 2001
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What excuse do guys have for getting upset? That they're just dicks? And for girls it's PMS? I was seeing stupid stuff and I said something. That's it.
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Join Date: Nov 2001
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Lurker,
my response to DD was tongue in cheek, as I assume his post was. That being said, when/if we get married in a year or 2, I will inheret my girl's car payments. Since she'll be in graduate school (been accepted, I've got to wait on mine until I can get some $$$ together, she can afford hers but not much else), I'lll have to make those payments and general utilities and such. And she's been asking me for a ring for the past year, so this $375 helps immensly. So if you guys don't hear from me in a year or 2, its b/c I have no $$$ or internet access. |
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Open a new account with just your name |
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Join Date: Nov 2002
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= JokingI was just being facetious. Geez...
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Dola- But will he be able to withdraw the money out of his old account without his mother's permission?
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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Probably, but even if he can't it's at least worth a shot.
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High School JV
Join Date: May 2001
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Sorry if I couldn't tell you guys were kidding. The "typical" comment kind of set me off, since it seems like a lot of guys (and older women) I know think like that.
Anyway, good luck on supporting her and you during her grad school. You'll be surprised how little money it takes to live when you really need to scrounge. |
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