Front Office Football Central  

Go Back   Front Office Football Central > Archives > FOFC Archive
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read Statistics

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-28-2003, 10:00 PM   #1
Easy Mac
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
Ethical Question about keeping money.

Here's the short of it.

As I posted a week or so ago, I quit my job at a grocery store. My mom finally got around to picking up my check from my last week there (I didn't want to go back). I get home from my other job, and she says there are 2 checks.

I am a suprised, as there should only be 1 check. I open the first check, and it is normal, about 110 or so.

I open the second check, and it says 375 (500 before taxes). I'm like "holy shit" and take it to my mom. She says this can't be right, as am I. She says I should give it back, I say fuck em. They screwed me over for 7 weeks there, and they deserve to be fucked in the ass. And 375 wont kill a major corp.

Anyway, the check says it is retro pay. So we go look at my prior stubs from the first 4 weeks I worked there. This is b/c I wasn't paid for the first 5 weeks I wroked there, and they got me the checks 5 or 6 weeks late.

We compute all the numbers, and it seems the new check is about $25 different from the other 4 checks combined. The hours are pretty close as well. She thinks they may have paid me twice for the first 4 weeks. I say its close, and its a maybe (probable). She is debating whether to let me keep the money (that and they never got my tax forms correct, so I've been paying about $20 too much in taxes each week).

Ethical question: Should I keep the money or not? I say yes, part out of bitterness and part out of logic. If I find $20 on the street, or someone errs in my favor when giving me change (or the bank messes up by like $20) you would keep the money regardless. To me the amount shouldn't determine whether it is right or wrong.

Would you keep the money?

Esentially it is out of my hands. My mom said put it in the bank, but she needs to think about whether I can keep it. I told her if I put it in the bank, its mine, I'm not taking it out. My girl says keep it, they've fucked me over enough (plus she wants a ring, and I can't do it with the $$$$ I have now)

And if you want to see my thread of grievances to see the bitterness angle, I can dredge it up as well.

Easy Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 10:07 PM   #2
mckerney
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Keep it.
mckerney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 10:10 PM   #3
tucker342
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Iowa City, IA
keep it
tucker342 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 10:10 PM   #4
bbor
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: toronto
The extra $20 could be acrued vacation pay?
__________________
Pumpy Tudors

Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.
bbor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 10:13 PM   #5
Draft Dodger
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Keene, NH
"My girl says keep it, they've fucked me over enough (plus she wants a ring, and I can't do it with the $$$$ I have now)"

typical.
__________________
Mile High Hockey
Draft Dodger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 10:15 PM   #6
JPhillips
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
I'd probably keep it, but I wouldn't kid myself that its the right thing to do. I normally give back incorrect change, as I don't want the poor cashier to get hosed. Here I'd attempt to justify it as payback for poor working conditions. If I didn't spend it soon, I'd probably be guilty enough to give it back.
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers
JPhillips is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 10:15 PM   #7
kcchief19
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Kansas City, MO
Not getting too technical here, but there any number of school's of logic you could use to justify any position you want. That's part of the problem with logic.

At a previous employer, while I was on vacation the whack jobs in charge canned my boss. Unbeknownest to me, he hadn't turned in my vacation time off sheet to payroll, so when they laid off my entire department a month later, they paid me for the week of vacation. It took less than a second for me to cash that check. This company treated me and other employees very poorly and I had ZERO sympathy for them. One could argue that it was stealing, although I think that a week of vacation pay didn't even begin to make up for what they stole from me over two years.

That being said, if I'm ever given too much change, if I catch it I always return it. I gave a clerk at McDonald's a $20 once and he gave it back to me with my change. When I pointed it out to him, at first he didn't believe me, then when he realized I was right, he said, "I can't believe you fixed that. I've never had anybody do that before. You get cookies man, you get cookies." And he proceeded to shove about five boxes of McDonald's cookies into my bag. So honesty can pay off.

In the end, what you do has to be something that you are comfortable with. I'd also crunch the numbers again before you do anything, just to make sure there was an error. Retro pay can be confusing.
kcchief19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 10:15 PM   #8
Easy Mac
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
women will do anything for a ring (it has its perks... so to speak).
Easy Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 10:17 PM   #9
Easy Mac
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
I will admit I normally give back incorrect change.
Easy Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 10:18 PM   #10
Easy Mac
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
double dola,

my ethics are much more in line with the late night crowd than the afternoon/evening
Easy Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 10:34 PM   #11
Draft Dodger
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Keene, NH
I would keep it too.

mostly, because I wouldn't have taken the time to try to figure out why I got it. I would have just assumed that if they gave it to me, I had earned it.
__________________
Mile High Hockey
Draft Dodger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 10:43 PM   #12
bigdawg2003
High School Varsity
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Austin, Texas, USA
Disco Stu says you got screwed!
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
- So keep it.
__________________
I didn't even know Elvis was from Memphis. I thought he was from Tennessee.
bigdawg2003 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 11:02 PM   #13
illinifan999
Pro Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: VA
Keep it and use it to hire a hit on the entire corp....................or you can just keep it.
__________________
Chicago Eagles
2 time ZFL champions
We're "rebuilding"
illinifan999 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 11:04 PM   #14
McSweeny
College Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Somerville, MA
if you don't want to keep it i'd be more than happy to take it
McSweeny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 11:27 PM   #15
MikeVic
Head Coach
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hometown of Canada
It could be the pay you're suppossed to get for vacation or something? When I worked at A&W, I got a lot more money on my last pay cheque than I was suppossed to get, but the employer said it was the accumulation of vacation money.. or something like that.
MikeVic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 11:35 PM   #16
tucker342
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Iowa City, IA
If you don't want it, can I have it?
tucker342 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 11:39 PM   #17
McSweeny
College Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Somerville, MA
Quote:
Originally posted by tucker342
If you don't want it, can I have it?

i already called dibs
McSweeny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2003, 11:52 PM   #18
MrBug708
Head Coach
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Whittier
Keep it. It'll be awhile, while the corporation figures out its numbers for their correct total, so there is at least anouther 10 days or so. Plus your time and money invested in getting it fixed wont be worth it
MrBug708 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:05 AM   #19
Pumpy Tudors
Bounty Hunter
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
You get cookies, man! You get cookies!
__________________
No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.
Pumpy Tudors is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:39 AM   #20
CamEdwards
Stadium Announcer
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Burke, VA
Has anybody picked up on the fact that Easy is going to propose soon, yet his mom is still making monetary decisions for him?

I think the real question here is not "Do I keep the money"? It's "How do I get my balls re-attached?"



BTW, if you're not entitled to it, my advice is give it back.
__________________
I don't want the world. I just want your half.
CamEdwards is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:50 AM   #21
thealmighty
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: heaven
In front of the question you put "Ethical Question."

If it is ethics you want, you have to give it back, or there are no ethics involved.

I may be stupid, but I agree with Cam (not that Cam is stupid. ). Do not start trying to get everything you FEEL you are entitled to. Get everything you ARE entitled to.
__________________
Check out The Unofficial FOFC Movie Guide Here
thealmighty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:50 AM   #22
thealmighty
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: heaven
dola...

...or maybe I am just old and out of touch.
__________________
Check out The Unofficial FOFC Movie Guide Here
thealmighty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:56 AM   #23
JeeberD
General Manager
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The Town of Flower Mound
Quote:
Originally posted by CamEdwards
Has anybody picked up on the fact that Easy is going to propose soon, yet his mom is still making monetary decisions for him?

I think the real question here is not "Do I keep the money"? It's "How do I get my balls re-attached?"

I was just thinking the exact same thing...
__________________
UTEP Miners!!!

I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO
JeeberD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 01:00 AM   #24
mckerney
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Quote:
Originally posted by JeeberD
I was just thinking the exact same thing...

What came to my mind was, "I thought Easy was older than 17," so it was along the same lines.
mckerney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 01:25 AM   #25
Ragone
Pro Rookie
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Kansas City, Mo
Keep the money.. if your nervous about them coming back for it.. let it sit in the bank for a month.. i don't think they can claim anything after a month passes

I remember a story of a dude cashing one of those fake junk checks we all get in the mail for like 500k or something and going through a long drawn out process war with the bank.. And he ended up writing a book about it or some self help crap..
Ragone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 01:27 AM   #26
JeeberD
General Manager
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The Town of Flower Mound
Yeah, read about that years ago on Bored.com. I think they still have the article listed there. Long damn article...
__________________
UTEP Miners!!!

I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO
JeeberD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 04:32 AM   #27
sterlingice
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Back in Houston!
Quote:
Originally posted by Draft Dodger
"My girl says keep it, they've fucked me over enough (plus she wants a ring, and I can't do it with the $$$$ I have now)"

typical.

Well, this is easy- you claim you gave back the money to your girlfriend and then keep it so that not only do you have the spare $20 from the company but you don't have to spend it and more on a ring.

Wait, that wasn't the question was it?

SI
__________________
Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out!

Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!"
Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"


sterlingice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 05:00 AM   #28
mrskippy
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: California
Employer gives you extra money - keep it. Don't try to justify what its for.

Of course, if they short you than you complain.
mrskippy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 06:03 AM   #29
Fritz
Lethargic Hooligan
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing
Quote:
Originally posted by JPhillips
I'd probably keep it, but I wouldn't kid myself that its the right thing to do.

Very honest, and probably where I would be with the issue.
__________________
donkey, donkey, walk a little faster
Fritz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 06:41 AM   #30
JonInMiddleGA
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
Karma (or whatever you call it) has a funny way of making things come out even.

It's been my experience that keeping money in a case like this, or like a wrong-change windfall, is usually followed by car problems or something else that eats up just a little more than the "bonus" will cover.

I'd probably give it back or at least bring the error to their attention & let them decide if they want it back and just cut out the middle man at the inevitable repair center.

Just my .02
__________________
"I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis
JonInMiddleGA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 09:51 AM   #31
Easy Mac
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
well, my girl's car just broke last week, and she has to buy a new one, so I'll inheret the payments eventually. I think thats karma.

And it'd be a blessing if my piece of shit car broke down (of course, that only happens if I put a new radio or speakers in a car. Everytime I do that, within a week my car at the time breaks down for good).
Easy Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 10:55 AM   #32
clintl
College Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Davis, CA
This kind of thing happened to me at a company I worked for several years ago. I had direct deposit, and they deposited an extra paycheck into my account. I did tell them, and they said they would deal with it, but they never took the money back, nor did they ask me to do anything.
clintl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 11:06 AM   #33
lurker
High School JV
 
Join Date: May 2001
Did we all of a sudden step into 1950?

" 'My girl says keep it, they've fucked me over enough (plus she wants a ring, and I can't do it with the $$$$ I have now)'

typical."

Um, no that's not typical.

And: "well, my girl's car just broke last week, and she has to buy a new one, so I'll inheret the payments eventually."

Geez! This is so annoying. I guess I don't know the details of your situation, but is your girlfriend incapable of making any money to make her own car payments?

I'm probably just in a bad mood. Oh wait, maybe I don't have any jewelry on at the moment. And since all girls need rings to the extent that it clouds their ethical judgment I suppose it could affect my mood also.

But as to the topic, I'd say at least offer to give it back. They probably won't want to deal with the hassle of getting it back, and if they do, like someone said, there's karma.

ETA -- I usually hate rabid feminists that make something out of nothing. But this was just so blatant and strange, I had to say something.

Last edited by lurker : 07-29-2003 at 11:09 AM.
lurker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 11:21 AM   #34
Bee
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Fairfax, VA
Quote:
Originally posted by lurker
I'm probably just in a bad mood. Oh wait, maybe I don't have any jewelry on at the moment. And since all girls need rings to the extent that it clouds their ethical judgment I suppose it could affect my mood also.

The first step is recognizing the problem...
Bee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 11:32 AM   #35
Ksyrup
This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
Why not simply ask for verification of the amounts you have been paid and the hours to which the payments are attributable? At this point, you aren't even sure if they are wrong, so there's no reason to tell them they overpaid you. Just ask them to verify that what you've received is correct. Chances are, they'll think that you think you've been underpaid.
__________________
M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."
Ksyrup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:01 PM   #36
panerd
Grizzled Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: St. Louis
You guys amaze me on this one. Why not just break into the store and steal more money from them? They were mean to you, right?
panerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:01 PM   #37
Franklinnoble
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Placerville, CA
It's probably more trouble than it's worth to try to sort out the accounting error, and that amount of money is really miniscule for a major corporation.

I'd probably keep what's mine and give the remainder to charity. Or my wife... depending on how long it's been since I got any.
Franklinnoble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:02 PM   #38
scooper
College Benchwarmer
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Cinn City
Re: Ethical Question about keeping money.

Quote:
Originally posted by Easy Mac


I open the second check, and it says 375 (500 before taxes). I'm like "holy shit" and take it to my mom. She says this can't be right, as am I. She says I should give it back, I say fuck em. They screwed me over for 7 weeks there, and they deserve to be fucked in the ass. And 375 wont kill a major corp.


Did you really say this in front of your mom?
scooper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:06 PM   #39
clintl
College Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Davis, CA
Quote:
Originally posted by Franklinnoble
It's probably more trouble than it's worth to try to sort out the accounting error, and that amount of money is really miniscule for a major corporation.


I'm guessing that's why my company never did anything about it when I told them - plus, I suspect it's an accounting nightmare to deal with the fact that taxes have already been deducted and reported to the IRS. It's probably just not worth the hassle.
clintl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:30 PM   #40
Franklinnoble
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Placerville, CA
Quote:
Originally posted by clintl
I'm guessing that's why my company never did anything about it when I told them - plus, I suspect it's an accounting nightmare to deal with the fact that taxes have already been deducted and reported to the IRS. It's probably just not worth the hassle.

Right... the accountant on the payroll makes more per hour than it would be worth to have him spend all day sorting it out.
Franklinnoble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:32 PM   #41
Easy Mac
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
well, doing calculations, they owe me 175 on taxes. Still leavews me with an extra $200 they're giving me.

Oh, and Cam, as long as she pays for the roof over my head and 1/3 of college (damn loans), she still has a say over my money. That and she put herself on my bank account, and I can't get her name taken off. Anyone know how to do that, the bank keeps telling me no.
Easy Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:33 PM   #42
JeeberD
General Manager
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The Town of Flower Mound
Quote:
Originally posted by lurker
ETA -- I usually hate rabid feminists that make something out of nothing. But this was just so blatant and strange, I had to say something.

Ahh, must be that tim....errr...nevermind...
__________________
UTEP Miners!!!

I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO
JeeberD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:35 PM   #43
Franklinnoble
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Placerville, CA
Quote:
Originally posted by Easy Mac
well, doing calculations, they owe me 175 on taxes. Still leavews me with an extra $200 they're giving me.

Oh, and Cam, as long as she pays for the roof over my head and 1/3 of college (damn loans), she still has a say over my money. That and she put herself on my bank account, and I can't get her name taken off. Anyone know how to do that, the bank keeps telling me no.

Open a new bank account.
Franklinnoble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:36 PM   #44
lurker
High School JV
 
Join Date: May 2001
What excuse do guys have for getting upset? That they're just dicks? And for girls it's PMS? I was seeing stupid stuff and I said something. That's it.
lurker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:37 PM   #45
Easy Mac
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
Lurker,

my response to DD was tongue in cheek, as I assume his post was.

That being said, when/if we get married in a year or 2, I will inheret my girl's car payments. Since she'll be in graduate school (been accepted, I've got to wait on mine until I can get some $$$ together, she can afford hers but not much else), I'lll have to make those payments and general utilities and such. And she's been asking me for a ring for the past year, so this $375 helps immensly.

So if you guys don't hear from me in a year or 2, its b/c I have no $$$ or internet access.
Easy Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:39 PM   #46
mckerney
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Quote:
Originally posted by Easy Mac
well, doing calculations, they owe me 175 on taxes. Still leavews me with an extra $200 they're giving me.

Oh, and Cam, as long as she pays for the roof over my head and 1/3 of college (damn loans), she still has a say over my money. That and she put herself on my bank account, and I can't get her name taken off. Anyone know how to do that, the bank keeps telling me no.

Open a new account with just your name
mckerney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:40 PM   #47
JeeberD
General Manager
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The Town of Flower Mound
= Joking

I was just being facetious. Geez...
__________________
UTEP Miners!!!

I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO
JeeberD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:41 PM   #48
JeeberD
General Manager
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The Town of Flower Mound
Quote:
Originally posted by mckerney
Open a new account with just your name

Dola-

But will he be able to withdraw the money out of his old account without his mother's permission?
__________________
UTEP Miners!!!

I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO
JeeberD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:46 PM   #49
mckerney
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Probably, but even if he can't it's at least worth a shot.
mckerney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2003, 12:47 PM   #50
lurker
High School JV
 
Join Date: May 2001
Sorry if I couldn't tell you guys were kidding. The "typical" comment kind of set me off, since it seems like a lot of guys (and older women) I know think like that.

Anyway, good luck on supporting her and you during her grad school. You'll be surprised how little money it takes to live when you really need to scrounge.
lurker is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:01 AM.



Powered by vBulletin Version 3.6.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.