Over/Unders - Comments?

Fritz · 08-18-2003, 10:03 AM

as of Aug 12 from Millennium Sportsbook:

NFC East — Philadelphia (10), New York Giants (8.5), Washington (8), Dallas (7)

NFC North — Green Bay (9.5), Minnesota (8), Chicago (7.5), Detroit (6)

NFC South — Tampa Bay (10.5), Atlanta (9.5), New Orleans (8), Carolina (7.5)

NFC West — St. Louis (9.5), San Francisco (9), Seattle (8), Arizona (5)

AFC East — Miami (10), New England (9), New York Jets (9), Buffalo (8.5)

AFC North — Pittsburgh (9.5), Baltimore (8), Cleveland (8), Cincinnati (5.5)

AFC South — Tennessee (9.5), Indianapolis (8.5), Jacksonville (7), Houston (5)

AFC West — Denver (9.5), Oakland (9.5), Kansas City (9), San Diego (8)

cuervo72 · 08-18-2003, 10:23 AM

NYG, Carolina, Tennessee.

Franklinnoble · 08-18-2003, 10:24 AM

I think Atlanta's number is bound to drop.

Fritz · 08-18-2003, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cuervo72
NYG, Carolina, Tennessee.

all unders?

Celeval · 08-18-2003, 10:39 AM

San Diego - OVER
Cincinnati - UNDER
Detroit - UNDER

cuervo72 · 08-18-2003, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fritz
all unders?

Whoops, sorry. I'd take the overs on those.

Subby · 08-18-2003, 10:46 AM

bet the house and the farm on Chicago and the under...

TroyF · 08-18-2003, 11:21 AM

Some interesting things there:

NYG (OVER)
Cincy (OVER)
Seattle (OVER)
San Fran (UNDER)

The two I'd lay money on?

Green Bay (UNDER)
Minnesota (OVER)

TroyF

Maple Leafs · 08-18-2003, 12:18 PM

Give me Arizona (under) and Carolina (over).

SteelerFan448 · 08-18-2003, 12:28 PM

NYG-Over
Green Bay-Over
Atlanta-Under
New England-Under
Pittsburgh-Over
Cincinnati-Under
Indy-Over
Oakland-Over

JonInMiddleGA · 08-18-2003, 01:56 PM

Dallas - under
Atlanta - under
Jets - under
San Diego - under

Fritz · 08-18-2003, 02:03 PM

NFC East
Philadelphia (10) Over
New York Giants (8.5) Over
Washington (8) Under
Dallas (7) Under

NFC North
Green Bay (9.5) Over
Minnesota (8) Under
Chicago (7.5) Under
Detroit (6) Over

NFC South
Tampa Bay (10.5) Over
Atlanta (9.5) Under
New Orleans (8) Over
Carolina (7.5) Over

NFC West —
St. Louis (9.5) Under
San Francisco (9) Under
Seattle (8) Over
Arizona (5) Push

AFC East
Miami (10) Push
New England (9) Over
New York Jets (9) Push
Buffalo (8.5) Over

AFC North —
Pittsburgh (9.5) Over
Baltimore (8) Under
Cleveland (8) Under
Cincinnati (5.5) Over

AFC South
Tennessee (9.5) Over
Indianapolis (8.5) Over
Jacksonville (7) Under
Houston (5) Push

AFC West
Denver (9.5) Under
Oakland (9.5) Under
Kansas City (9) Over
San Diego (8) Under

MIJB#19 · 08-18-2003, 02:04 PM

the total adds up to 8.25 wins per team, that's interesting...

EagleFan · 08-18-2003, 02:13 PM

NFC East
Philadelphia (10) - Over
New York Giants (8.5) - Under
Washington (8) - Over
Dallas (7) - Under (Bet the house)

NFC North
Green Bay (9.5) - Over
Minnesota (8) - Under
Chicago (7.5) - Under
Detroit (6) - Under

NFC South
Tampa Bay (10.5) - Over
Atlanta (9.5) - Under
New Orleans (8) - Over
Carolina (7.5) - Under

NFC West
St. Louis (9.5) - Over
San Francisco (9) - Under
Seattle (8) - Over
Arizona (5) - Over

AFC East
Miami (10) - Over
New England (9) - Under
New York Jets (9) - Under
Buffalo (8.5) - Under

AFC North
Pittsburgh (9.5) - Over
Baltimore (8) - Under
Cleveland (8) - Under
Cincinnati (5.5) - Under

AFC South
Tennessee (9.5) - Over
Indianapolis (8.5) - Over
Jacksonville (7) - Under
Houston (5) - Over

AFC West
Denver (9.5) - Under
Oakland (9.5) - Over
Kansas City (9) - Under
San Diego (8) - Over

TroyF · 08-18-2003, 02:16 PM

You guys really think Green Bay is going to win 10 games with that defense? I think it's going to be one of the worst defenses in the entire league. I love Farve, but I'll be shocked if they win 10 games.

TroyF

Sharpieman · 08-18-2003, 03:41 PM

NFC East
Philadelphia (10) Over
New York Giants (8.5) Over
Washington (8) Push
Dallas (7) Under

NFC North
Green Bay (9.5) Over
Minnesota (8) Push
Chicago (7.5) Under
Detroit (6) Over

NFC South
Tampa Bay (10.5) Over
Atlanta (9.5) Under
New Orleans (8) Over
Carolina (7.5) Over

NFC West —
St. Louis (9.5) Over
San Francisco (9) Push
Seattle (8) Over
Arizona (5) Under

AFC East
Miami (10) Over
New England (9) Push
New York Jets (9) Push
Buffalo (8.5) Over

AFC North —
Pittsburgh (9.5) Over
Baltimore (8) Push
Cleveland (8) Over
Cincinnati (5.5) Over

AFC South
Tennessee (9.5) Over
Indianapolis (8.5) Over
Jacksonville (7) Under
Houston (5) Under

AFC West
Denver (9.5) Over
Oakland (9.5) Over
Kansas City (9) Under
San Diego (8) Over

EagleFan · 08-18-2003, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MIJB#19
the total adds up to 8.25 wins per team, that's interesting...

So, in theory, put money on the under for everyone and you're good to go.

tucker342 · 08-18-2003, 10:59 PM

NFC East —
Philadelphia (10) over
New York Giants (8.5) over
Washington (8) push
Dallas (7) under

NFC North —
Green Bay (9.5) over
Minnesota (8) under
Chicago (7.5) under
Detroit (6) over

NFC South —
Tampa Bay (10.5) over
Atlanta (9.5) under
New Orleans (8) over
Carolina (7.5) under

NFC West —
St. Louis (9.5) over
San Francisco (9) under

Seattle (8) over
Arizona (5) push

AFC East —
Miami (10) push
New England (9) over
New York Jets (9) under
Buffalo (8.5) over

AFC North —
Pittsburgh (9.5) over
Baltimore (8) under
Cleveland (8) under
Cincinnati (5.5) under

AFC South —
Tennessee (9.5) under
Indianapolis (8.5) over
Jacksonville (7) under
Houston (5) push

AFC West —
Denver (9.5) under
Oakland (9.5) over
Kansas City (9) push
San Diego (8) push

Blackadar · 08-18-2003, 11:15 PM

NFC East
Philadelphia (10) Push
New York Giants (8.5) Over
Washington (8) Under
Dallas (7) Under

NFC North
Green Bay (9.5) Under
Minnesota (8) Over
Chicago (7.5) Under
Detroit (6) Push

NFC South
Tampa Bay (10.5) Over
Atlanta (9.5) Under
New Orleans (8) Over
Carolina (7.5) Under

NFC West —
St. Louis (9.5) Over
San Francisco (9) Over
Seattle (8) Under
Arizona (5) Under

AFC East
Miami (10) Over
New England (9) Over
New York Jets (9) Under
Buffalo (8.5) Under

AFC North —
Pittsburgh (9.5) Over
Baltimore (8) Over
Cleveland (8) Under
Cincinnati (5.5) Under

AFC South
Tennessee (9.5) Over
Indianapolis (8.5) Over
Jacksonville (7) Under
Houston (5) Under

AFC West
Denver (9.5) Over
Oakland (9.5) Under
Kansas City (9) Under
San Diego (8) Over

Honolulu Blue · 08-19-2003, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EagleFan
So, in theory, put money on the under for everyone and you're good to go.

Don't go withdrawing your life savings just yet. You have to lay $11 to win $10, which provides the sports books with their edge.

TLK · 08-19-2003, 02:51 AM

I don't make many promises.... but everyone put their houses on Arizona and the under.....

Arles · 08-19-2003, 11:55 PM

TroyF, GB was 2nd to last in the NFL at ypc allowed (4.8) in 2002 and still won 12 games. And that's with a significant number of injuries. They have a solid secondary with McKenzie, Harris, Sharper and Edwards. GB also has a nice young LB group (Diggs and Barnet both look good in camp) and one of the top pass rushers in the league. They will be a below average defense based on yards allowed, force a bunch of TOs and be good enough to win most games.

Plus, how good do you have to be when facing Detroit, Chicago and Minnesota for 6 of your 16 games?

Arlie

TroyF · 08-19-2003, 11:59 PM

Arles,

Maybe you're right, but I don't see those turnovers. I don't think they are head and shoulders above everyone in that division anymore. I can easily see a 3-3 mark against their division foes this year.

TroyF

Samdari · 08-20-2003, 08:55 AM

St Louis - under
SF - under
I guess those two make it smart to play Seattle or Arizona over. I'll take Seattle.
Washington - way under (can you bet way under?)
now that Holcomb is starting, Cleveland over.

I would bet Atlanta under, but I would bet that number is down enough to make the average 8.

larrymcg421 · 08-20-2003, 10:14 AM

NFC East
Philadelphia (10) Over
New York Giants (8.5) Over
Washington (8) Over
Dallas (7) Under

NFC North
Green Bay (9.5) Over
Minnesota (8) Over
Chicago (7.5) Under
Detroit (6) Over

NFC South
Tampa Bay (10.5) Under
Atlanta (9.5) Under
New Orleans (8) Over
Carolina (7.5) Over

NFC West —
St. Louis (9.5) Under
San Francisco (9) Under
Seattle (8) Over
Arizona (5) Under

AFC East
Miami (10) Over
New England (9) Over
New York Jets (9) Over
Buffalo (8.5) Over

AFC North —
Pittsburgh (9.5) Over
Baltimore (8) Under
Cleveland (8) Over
Cincinnati (5.5) Over

AFC South
Tennessee (9.5) Under
Indianapolis (8.5) Over
Jacksonville (7) Under
Houston (5) Over

AFC West
Denver (9.5) Under
Oakland (9.5) Under
Kansas City (9) Over
San Diego (8) Under

How about an over/under on what week of the season Griese will take Fiedler's starting job?

Arles · 08-21-2003, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TroyF
[b]Arles,

Maybe you're right, but I don't see those turnovers.

Really? GB led the league in takeaways in 2002 with 45 and tied Tampa for the league lead in margin at +17. I would say that's a pretty good defense at forcing turnovers, wouldn't you?

Arlie

sooner333 · 08-21-2003, 12:58 AM

Just bet Dallas under. Bill Parcells may prove me wrong, but only if he starts himself at quarterback. This team is awful and Bill Parcell's "street cred" (way to use a basketball term for a white football coach...props to me) is getting them the higher over. They're just not that good at football.

MIJB#19 · 08-21-2003, 05:29 AM

NFC East
Philadelphia (10) over
New York Giants (8.5) under
Washington (8) over*
Dallas (7) under

NFC North
Green Bay (9.5) under
Minnesota (8) over
Chicago (7.5) under
Detroit (6) over*

NFC South
Tampa Bay (10.5) over
Atlanta (9.5) under*
New Orleans (8) under
Carolina (7.5) over

NFC West
St. Louis (9.5) over
San Francisco (9) under*
Seattle (8) over*
Arizona (5) under*

AFC East
Miami (10) under
New England (9) over
New York Jets (9) under
Buffalo (8.5) over

AFC North
Pittsburgh (9.5) over
Baltimore (8) over*
Cleveland (8) over
Cincinnati (5.5) under

AFC South
Tennessee (9.5) over*
Indianapolis (8.5) under
Jacksonville (7) under
Houston (5) under

AFC West
Denver (9.5) over
Oakland (9.5) under
Kansas City (9) under
San Diego (8) over

* = by very tight margins of 1 or 0.5 wins..
(Like I posted before) these wins numbers add up to 265 wins in 256 games, so going under for all teams, could mean winning a lot, however if the Bucs win 0 games amd all other equal thier numbers, you'd only win with your Bucs pick.

08-18-2003, 10:23 AM	#2
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08-18-2003, 10:46 AM	#7
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08-18-2003, 12:28 PM	#10
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08-18-2003, 01:56 PM	#11
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08-18-2003, 02:03 PM	#12
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	NFC East Philadelphia (10) Over New York Giants (8.5) Over Washington (8) Under Dallas (7) Under NFC North Green Bay (9.5) Over Minnesota (8) Under Chicago (7.5) Under Detroit (6) Over NFC South Tampa Bay (10.5) Over Atlanta (9.5) Under New Orleans (8) Over Carolina (7.5) Over NFC West — St. Louis (9.5) Under San Francisco (9) Under Seattle (8) Over Arizona (5) Push AFC East Miami (10) Push New England (9) Over New York Jets (9) Push Buffalo (8.5) Over AFC North — Pittsburgh (9.5) Over Baltimore (8) Under Cleveland (8) Under Cincinnati (5.5) Over AFC South Tennessee (9.5) Over Indianapolis (8.5) Over Jacksonville (7) Under Houston (5) Push AFC West Denver (9.5) Under Oakland (9.5) Under Kansas City (9) Over San Diego (8) Under __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

08-18-2003, 10:24 AM	#3
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	I think Atlanta's number is bound to drop.

08-18-2003, 10:39 AM	#5
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	San Diego - OVER Cincinnati - UNDER Detroit - UNDER

08-18-2003, 11:21 AM	#8
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Some interesting things there: NYG (OVER) Cincy (OVER) Seattle (OVER) San Fran (UNDER) The two I'd lay money on? Green Bay (UNDER) Minnesota (OVER) TroyF

08-18-2003, 12:18 PM	#9
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Give me Arizona (under) and Carolina (over).

08-18-2003, 02:04 PM	#13
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	the total adds up to 8.25 wins per team, that's interesting...

08-18-2003, 02:13 PM	#14
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08-18-2003, 02:16 PM	#15
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	You guys really think Green Bay is going to win 10 games with that defense? I think it's going to be one of the worst defenses in the entire league. I love Farve, but I'll be shocked if they win 10 games. TroyF

08-18-2003, 03:41 PM	#16
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08-18-2003, 10:59 PM	#18
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	NFC East — Philadelphia (10) over New York Giants (8.5) over Washington (8) push Dallas (7) under NFC North — Green Bay (9.5) over Minnesota (8) under Chicago (7.5) under Detroit (6) over NFC South — Tampa Bay (10.5) over Atlanta (9.5) under New Orleans (8) over Carolina (7.5) under NFC West — St. Louis (9.5) over San Francisco (9) under Seattle (8) over Arizona (5) push AFC East — Miami (10) push New England (9) over New York Jets (9) under Buffalo (8.5) over AFC North — Pittsburgh (9.5) over Baltimore (8) under Cleveland (8) under Cincinnati (5.5) under AFC South — Tennessee (9.5) under Indianapolis (8.5) over Jacksonville (7) under Houston (5) push AFC West — Denver (9.5) under Oakland (9.5) over Kansas City (9) push San Diego (8) push

08-18-2003, 11:15 PM	#19
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	NFC East Philadelphia (10) Push New York Giants (8.5) Over Washington (8) Under Dallas (7) Under NFC North Green Bay (9.5) Under Minnesota (8) Over Chicago (7.5) Under Detroit (6) Push NFC South Tampa Bay (10.5) Over Atlanta (9.5) Under New Orleans (8) Over Carolina (7.5) Under NFC West — St. Louis (9.5) Over San Francisco (9) Over Seattle (8) Under Arizona (5) Under AFC East Miami (10) Over New England (9) Over New York Jets (9) Under Buffalo (8.5) Under AFC North — Pittsburgh (9.5) Over Baltimore (8) Over Cleveland (8) Under Cincinnati (5.5) Under AFC South Tennessee (9.5) Over Indianapolis (8.5) Over Jacksonville (7) Under Houston (5) Under AFC West Denver (9.5) Over Oakland (9.5) Under Kansas City (9) Under San Diego (8) Over

08-19-2003, 02:51 AM	#21
TLK Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Allen Park, MI	I don't make many promises.... but everyone put their houses on Arizona and the under.....

08-19-2003, 11:55 PM	#22
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	TroyF, GB was 2nd to last in the NFL at ypc allowed (4.8) in 2002 and still won 12 games. And that's with a significant number of injuries. They have a solid secondary with McKenzie, Harris, Sharper and Edwards. GB also has a nice young LB group (Diggs and Barnet both look good in camp) and one of the top pass rushers in the league. They will be a below average defense based on yards allowed, force a bunch of TOs and be good enough to win most games. Plus, how good do you have to be when facing Detroit, Chicago and Minnesota for 6 of your 16 games? Arlie __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

08-19-2003, 11:59 PM	#23
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Arles, Maybe you're right, but I don't see those turnovers. I don't think they are head and shoulders above everyone in that division anymore. I can easily see a 3-3 mark against their division foes this year. TroyF

08-20-2003, 08:55 AM	#24
Samdari Roster Filler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cicero	St Louis - under SF - under I guess those two make it smart to play Seattle or Arizona over. I'll take Seattle. Washington - way under (can you bet way under?) now that Holcomb is starting, Cleveland over. I would bet Atlanta under, but I would bet that number is down enough to make the average 8. __________________ http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price!

08-20-2003, 10:14 AM	#25
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	NFC East Philadelphia (10) Over New York Giants (8.5) Over Washington (8) Over Dallas (7) Under NFC North Green Bay (9.5) Over Minnesota (8) Over Chicago (7.5) Under Detroit (6) Over NFC South Tampa Bay (10.5) Under Atlanta (9.5) Under New Orleans (8) Over Carolina (7.5) Over NFC West — St. Louis (9.5) Under San Francisco (9) Under Seattle (8) Over Arizona (5) Under AFC East Miami (10) Over New England (9) Over New York Jets (9) Over Buffalo (8.5) Over AFC North — Pittsburgh (9.5) Over Baltimore (8) Under Cleveland (8) Over Cincinnati (5.5) Over AFC South Tennessee (9.5) Under Indianapolis (8.5) Over Jacksonville (7) Under Houston (5) Over AFC West Denver (9.5) Under Oakland (9.5) Under Kansas City (9) Over San Diego (8) Under How about an over/under on what week of the season Griese will take Fiedler's starting job?

08-21-2003, 12:58 AM	#27
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Just bet Dallas under. Bill Parcells may prove me wrong, but only if he starts himself at quarterback. This team is awful and Bill Parcell's "street cred" (way to use a basketball term for a white football coach...props to me) is getting them the higher over. They're just not that good at football.

08-21-2003, 05:29 AM	#28
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	NFC East Philadelphia (10) over New York Giants (8.5) under Washington (8) over* Dallas (7) under NFC North Green Bay (9.5) under Minnesota (8) over Chicago (7.5) under Detroit (6) over* NFC South Tampa Bay (10.5) over Atlanta (9.5) under* New Orleans (8) under Carolina (7.5) over NFC West St. Louis (9.5) over San Francisco (9) under* Seattle (8) over* Arizona (5) under* AFC East Miami (10) under New England (9) over New York Jets (9) under Buffalo (8.5) over AFC North Pittsburgh (9.5) over Baltimore (8) over* Cleveland (8) over Cincinnati (5.5) under AFC South Tennessee (9.5) over* Indianapolis (8.5) under Jacksonville (7) under Houston (5) under AFC West Denver (9.5) over Oakland (9.5) under Kansas City (9) under San Diego (8) over * = by very tight margins of 1 or 0.5 wins.. (Like I posted before) these wins numbers add up to 265 wins in 256 games, so going under for all teams, could mean winning a lot, however if the Bucs win 0 games amd all other equal thier numbers, you'd only win with your Bucs pick.

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