Training Time

[-Panther]

Ok who had the best update? Who had the worst?

mine was pleasant, yet unsatisfactory.

form: +3 / -2 for +1

-- Starters: +1 / -1
-- Backups: -1
-- Coach: +1

value: +65k / -32k for +33k

-- damn injuries

scoring: +1

-- 17 to solid

now have 4 solids (17, 18, 19, 24) 19 & 24 are getting close. 19 injured though

2 passables w/ passable passing (19, 23) 23 very close to popping

1 inad w/ solid passing (18) valued @ 123k so I think he's close picked up this week to replace injured in training

I'm getting a tad impatient with a couple players. and the injury ticked me off... not a bad update though.

starter form:

3 solid
4 passable
2 inad
1 weak
1 poor

both the weak/poor form are strikers. oddly enough, my worst form is with my strikers.

my only dilemma is which defender to play as 2nd WB:

Chad Carrillo
60 000 US$, 29 years, solid form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: solid

or


Igor Noir
76 000 US$, 20 years, excellent form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched

I'm going with Carrillo due to card situation. Next week is an important game and Noir LOVES good form, so I'd like to have an option in Carrillo bites the form bullet. Carrillo can aquire 2 more cards before suspension. Noir only 1 so I'll play Carrillo this week.

[Easy Mac]

+2 PM (both to passable)
+6/-1 form

Just noticed I lost my starting keeper for 6 weeks b/c I forgot to rest him during the friendly, and he got hurt.

[NAIWF]

One bump to passable defense.

Decent form update, almost all of the negatives were B-teamers, and another of my middies is in solid form now. My value also went up over 110K, so that was nice

[FrogMan]

-Panther, I really like your format. Well presented. I may borrow it for my update tomorrow morning...

FM

[YoSoySean]

::cries:: my keeper is STILL in weak form... has been all season.

18 yo Hungarian keeper to brilliant.

[Havok]

Originally posted by -Panther
Ok who had the best update? Who had the worst?

mine was pleasant, yet unsatisfactory.

form: +3 / -2 for +1

-- Starters: +1 / -1
-- Backups: -1
-- Coach: +1

value: +65k / -32k for +33k

-- damn injuries

scoring: +1

-- 17 to solid

now have 4 solids (17, 18, 19, 24) 19 & 24 are getting close. 19 injured though

2 passables w/ passable passing (19, 23) 23 very close to popping

1 inad w/ solid passing (18) valued @ 123k so I think he's close picked up this week to replace injured in training

I'm getting a tad impatient with a couple players. and the injury ticked me off... not a bad update though.

starter form:

3 solid
4 passable
2 inad
1 weak
1 poor

both the weak/poor form are strikers. oddly enough, my worst form is with my strikers.

my only dilemma is which defender to play as 2nd WB:

Chad Carrillo
60 000 US$, 29 years, solid form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: solid

or


Igor Noir
76 000 US$, 20 years, excellent form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched

I'm going with Carrillo due to card situation. Next week is an important game and Noir LOVES good form, so I'd like to have an option in Carrillo bites the form bullet. Carrillo can aquire 2 more cards before suspension. Noir only 1 so I'll play Carrillo this week.

dam panther, with how much you like to break down your training update. You should start a dynasty

I like doing mine even though only like 4 people read it.

[Havok]

1 PM bump

6 form up (3 starters)
3 form down (1 starter)

good update for me

[Blade6119]

My 20 year old captain clown to formidible keeper...my back-up to passable and the trasfer market

[Hobbes-]

I think I shouldn't post that information.. as 3 of my competitors also read this board.. lol

Hobbes-

Owner of Fockers in iv.19

[-Panther]

yea some people say I'm 'a tad too meticulous with the way I lay things out'. I'm one of the people whose computer is organized to the point of being anal about it. I've reformatted my HDD just because I didn't like how 'bloated and unorganized' it was becoming.

I didn't start one last season because dacman was in my division. and while he still whooped me and would've regardless if I posted my players/strats, I liked to think I could keep him on his toes a little

I haven't started one yet because I never think of it. I'll go in and read others, and think "maybe I'll start one" but never do.

Being a software developer, I try to make any/everything as readable/understandable as I can. I could read and understand a bunch of garble because I know what I'm saying, but I want everyone else to easily read/understand it as well.

YoYoSean, I'm almost convinced trainees will always be on the shit end of the stick in regards to form. my strikers always hold the lowest form on my team.

[MacroGuru]

+2/-4 Form (2 negatives were starters)
+10K on form

1 17 popped to Passable Scoring.

I now have 4 Passable Forwards (17.18.19.20)

I am hoping for a few passable pops again next week on 2 17 year olds, then the three 17's will become my starters.

[Doug5984]

2 wingbacks popped to excellent defending....one will be going on the transfer wire soon for a very high price...maybe someone will buy him.

[Desnudo]

"Being a software developer, I try to make any/everything as readable/understandable as I can."

That should read:

"Being a software developer I try and burn any documents related to the code I wrote and give dirty looks to the project manager if he even suggests keeping a paper trial."

[dacman]

1 IM to formidable!!!!!
1 IM to excellent

I will be selling the formidable since he's 26 (they'll never be a better time) so I'm hoping for some serious $$ to upgrade the defense and/or get a star trainee.

[-Panther]

Originally posted by Desnudo
That should read:

"Being a software developer I try and burn any documents related to the code I wrote and give dirty looks to the project manager if he even suggests keeping a paper trial."

lol. actually, I try to make it as clear and understandable as possible, that if I feel I need to burn documentation, all who oppose me MUST DIE!

see, us computer junkies are only a shy step behind postal workers

you see the movie 'Anti Trust'? well reverse the roles and you've got a slightly more accurate perception

[Coffee Warlord]

Documentation?

If you are too stupid to understand my perfectly simple and logical code, you have no business editing/using it. Bitch.

[Nyarlahotep]

No pops. Even on form, but mostly increases for starters.

[damnMikeBrown]

Originally posted by Hobbes-
I think I shouldn't post that information.. as 3 of my competitors also read this board.. lol

Hobbes-

Owner of Fockers in iv.19

Three competitors? Where the hell do you get the number three from? Competitors implies a realistic competition. I can think of two of the teams. . .

[Bee]

I had +5 form/ -1 form

and an 18 yr old pop to solid in PMing.

I also had 1 experience pop to wretched!

[KevinNU7]

One trainee popped to passable in playmaking two weeks early.
One winger popped to poor to playmaking

7 form increases
2 form decreases

[FrogMan]

Very, very good form update, almost a godsend

form (players): +7 / -2 for +5
form (levels): +8 / -2 for +6
-- Starters: +3 / -1
-- Backups: +4 / -1
** WOOT: My new forward, Michael God, jumped up two level of form, from wretched to weak. WOOT!
** BLEH: The one drop in form for the starters goes to my highest plymaker (halfway to excellent w/excellent stamina) as he dropped to poor...

value: +145k / -15k for +130k
** God, with his two level jump in form, gained an amazing 88k in value, from 170k to 258k.


playmaking: +1
-- 20 to solid, two weeks ahead of time. He was halfway there when he turned 20, so that may be part of the reason.

now have 5 solids (18, 18, 19, 20, 23). The 18 and 23 are halfway to excellent. The 19 is about 2 weeks from excellent but that's only a guesstimate as I bought him at solid last season.

1 passable w/ inadequate passing & defending (18) about halfway to solid

starter form (1):
6 solid
3 passable
1 inad
1 poor

This is if I go with an inner mid as a winger toward middle. Good midfield, which could be used with an away game this week.

starter form (2):
1 excellent
6 solid
3 passable
1 inad

This is if I bench my poor form inner mid, play the one that was winger toward the middle in (1) as an inner mid and play a passable winger/inadequate passer in excellent form at winger (played offensive in last friendly, he pulled 3 stars). A drop in midfield should be expected, but I'm taking out one who posted only 2 stars last week (was in weak form, now in poor form) to replace by a solid stamina / solid playmaking / passable form, and and then get some good attack on both wings. I already have a solid winger/passable passer on the other side. One thing to know, my opponent of next week isn't really known for his midfield, but more for his attack and then his defense. I'll keep thinking about it...

Finally, to stay with -Panther's style, and also because he may be well placed to help me with it, I have a dilemma of my own. Reason why I say -Panther could probably help me is because my dilemma involves my forwards, so any forward trainer could help too...

Here are my 4 forwards...



Michael God
516 000 C$, 28 years, weak form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities [Technical]
Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: solid
Winger: weak Defending: inadequate
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: inadequate


Calvin Phelan
124 000 C$, 29 years, solid form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: excellent Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: disastrous
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate


Michael Nuttall
146 000 C$, 28 years, passable form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Head]
Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: disastrous

Stefan Olenfeldt
48 000 C$, 32 years, [/b]passable form[/b]
Has weak experience and passable leadership abilities
Stamina: excellent Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: passable

I played Phelan and Olenfeldt a week ago because I bought God after the league game, and Nuttall was in inadequate form (Phelan was in solid form, olenfeldt in passable and both pulled in 2.5 stars giving me a passable central attack). Now this week, God jumped from wretched to weak form, and Nuttall jumped from inadequate to passable form. Is God and his poor experience/solid scoring/solid passing in weak form the same or better than a Olenfeldt in passable form (2 level difference) with weak experience/passable scoring/inadequate passing? Also, is a Nuttall in passable form with weak experience/solid scoring/weak passing better than a Phelan in solid form with wretched experience/passable scoring/inadequate passing??

Thanks for your comments...

FM

[Bee]

FM,

Congratz on the huge form jump for God!

[Hobbes-]

When I trained stamina the 2nd week of this season.. I think I had the best update ever..

+23 stam
- almost every player jumped one except one who jumped 2

+21 form (+22/-1)
- I was shocked to see I got + form as well.. everyone went up in form except one person who went down..

Pretty sweet huh?

-Hobbes

[terpkristin]

Wasn't anticipating anything too exciting with this week's training, didn't get too much excitement. But here goes:

Form:
4 up (1 A-squad-er)
4 down (1 A-squad-er)

Experience:
1 A-squad-er to wretched, whoopee.

Value:
This is what I think is the most interesting statistic. I dropped 4 players from my squad (internationals, I am now a 100% US team). YET, my team value increased this week from 1.969 mil U$ to 2.402 mil U$. That's a gain in overall value of about 400k! I'm not going to complain.

~terpk

[Vince]

Originally posted by YoSoySean
::cries:: my keeper is STILL in weak form... has been all season.

My keeper has been in Wretched form all season I think I'm going to have to offload him...he's a high passable and should pop to Solid with one or two weeks of keeper training.

Question: Do you guys think the fact that he has been in Wretched for each week of this season (he still starts all games...I don't have a backup right now ) implies that he's got a low base form? Also, do you think it would be worth it to stop PM training for a week or two to bump him to Solid if I decide to sell him?

[KevinNU7]

Vince that sucks, how many keeper coaches do you have? You may wanna change your ratio

[Vince]

2 Keeper coaches. I really don't understand why he's still at Wretched...it's making me sad, and I think (even though defense is highly underrated) that it really helped me to lose the only league match I've lost this season 1-2.

[KevinNU7]

My keeper has been excellent for three straight weeks now and I only have 1! He must be the dest damn keeper coach out there. Looks to me like you've jsut run into some bad luck with this guy.

[McSweeny]

neither keeper popped... starter is getting pretty close to formidable though.

Form update was great

starters +5/-0

[thealmighty]

Not only didn't my keepers pop, but 1/2 my starters, INCLUDING my #1 keeper, lost form.

[illinifan999]

100% intensity sucks. So far my star middie has gone down in value two weeks in a row.

[YoSoySean]

Originally posted by KevinNU7
My keeper has been excellent for three straight weeks now and I only have 1! He must be the dest damn keeper coach out there. Looks to me like you've jsut run into some bad luck with this guy.

Bah.. I have 7 keeper coaches and my keepers are at weak and inad form.

[-Panther]

Originally posted by FrogMan

Michael God
516 000 C$, 28 years, weak form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities [Technical]
Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: solid
Winger: weak Defending: inadequate
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: inadequate


Calvin Phelan
124 000 C$, 29 years, solid form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: excellent Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: disastrous
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate


Michael Nuttall
146 000 C$, 28 years, passable form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Head]
Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: disastrous

Stefan Olenfeldt
48 000 C$, 32 years, passable form
Has weak experience and passable leadership abilities
Stamina: excellent Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: passable
FM

this is my comparison of Nuttall & Phelan, I do 2 levels form, 1 level scoring. 2 levels passing, 1 level scoring.

Nuttall's weak XP nullifies Phelan's +1 form. so that doesn't need to be figured.

Nuttall:
-- Scoring: 7
-- Passing: 4

Phelan:
-- Scoring: 7 (made to match Nuttall's)
-- Passing: 3 (with 2 taken to equal Nuttall's scoring)

so really what needs to be compared between the two is Stamina, SP, & Specialties

I'd rather have Nuttall's [HEAD] specialty over Phelan's stamina & SP.

So I'd play, Nuttall of these two

now for the others:

Olenfeldt's passable form makes it:

Olenfeldt:
-- Scoring: 7 (to match God's)
-- Passing: 5
-- Form: 4 (2 taken to equal God's scoring)

God:
-- Scoring: 7
-- Passing: 7
-- Form: 4

so what needs to be compared here is SP, XP, Passing, & Specialties

Olenfeldt has a +1 SP, +1 XP
God has +1 passing, [TECHNICAL]

if you're going for Central Attack, I'd play higher passing (God)
since striker passing only affects central attack.

SP I wouldn't worry too much about, pass vs. inad isn't too much different.

Poor vs. Weak XP isn't too much different. only a minute boost.

Nuttall is your best right now.

I'd chose between God / Olenfeldt as the other depending on weather. both will be fairly equal performance wise.

God will also help your central attack more than Olenfeldt with his solid passing.

[FrogMan]

Thanks -Panther, great analysis. I was almost coming to the same evaluation as yours, but without really justifying it.

I was figuring that God was getting close to being equal to the others at weak form, so if I want to commit to him being a part of my team for a little time, I should give him some league game playing time... Also, Nuttall's been my big scorer this season. I know it's supposed to be random, but when you see one scoring a bunch of goals, you get to trust him to put some more in there

Thanks again -Panther...

FM

[-Panther]

Nuttall being your big scorer doesn't shock me. Granted the distribution of goals 'is random' for the most part, when you give a guy more ways to score, he's going to score more

Nuttall's [HEAD] specialty only bodes well for his goals. My best scorer is/has always been a form dog.

of source Wayne Hooks

he would've had scoring title last year if not for an injury. he's right back at it this year tied for first.

he's got solid scoring & SP with [head]

he can put it in 4 diff ways:

normal w/ solid scoring
free kicks w/ solid SP (he's my SP taker)
long shot w/ solid scoring & SP
header w/ [head] specialty

he's my oldest trainee @ 24 and getting close to excellent. I really think I'm going to keep him for awhile even though he's too old to train. I'm having a hard time letting go of such a versatile scorer

God's weak form is almost justified by his abilities. There's a cutoff where we have to decide to play a player regardless. The more we let a big purchase splinter his ass, the more the money/value of the transaction becomes wasted.

playing a player when he's sub-par form is also a benefit. especially when he's a new purchase. it allows to to better compare who gets the call in the future since you'll know how your players will play in as many form levels as possible.

atleast that's my perspective. I like to try my players in matches where the mindset isn't 'who cares, it's only for training'

I guess you could say it's my way of giving HT some actual personality. it might be cosmetic, but it helps me enjoy it more

[FrogMan]

yeah, playing Nuttall was almost a given this week. It will be his first game at passable form since HT6.5 came to town. He has given me 3 stars games in the past (twice last season) but he's been at inadequate since the beginning of this season. Now back at passable, I only gotta hope for 3 stars, but furthermore that his form increase means he is on a upward slope of form increase, that would be awesome

God, when I said I wanted to give him some league playing time, I meant for experience. He's at poor, but the more I'll play him i league games, the better he'll get, or at least the more experienced he'll get...

I agree about playing guys in good matchups. I also like scouting my opponents a lot. That's one thing I try to do as well as possible for very league match...

I'm still undecided between that winger with excellent form or that inner mid at poor with another inner mid toward middle... I'll keep pondering the pros and cons I guess

FM

[TonyR]

nothing noteworthy