Inside The Park Info

korme · 08-23-2003, 12:21 PM

Markus sez

Awesome. I'm excited..

Ragone · 08-23-2003, 12:53 PM

Ah Role playing sports game.. I like the idea.. hell i loved new star soccer game... that'll probably be a instant buy for me

McSweeny · 08-23-2003, 01:17 PM

looks pretty sweet

Patman · 08-23-2003, 01:30 PM

Sounds promising

korme · 08-23-2003, 04:31 PM

JeeberD · 08-23-2003, 05:50 PM

A day too late for skippy...

tucker342 · 08-23-2003, 09:32 PM

hmmmm sounds interesting....

lynchjm24 · 08-24-2003, 10:03 AM

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but this sounds like a big waste of time. The whole concept behind it is just lame.

ice4277 · 08-24-2003, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by lynchjm24
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but this sounds like a big waste of time. The whole concept behind it is just lame.

I agree. The way it is described makes it sound like it'll get boring after about 30 minutes.

Karim · 08-24-2003, 10:43 AM

New star soccer was fun for a couple days. I'm sure people will like ITP; I just don't know what replay value a RPG sports game has.

Blackadar · 08-24-2003, 04:12 PM

Depends on how it's pulled off, but this may be a great Walter Mitty game.

Bee · 08-24-2003, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by Blackadar
Depends on how it's pulled off, but this may be a great Walter Mitty game.

I thought this was going to be a Markus game.

tucker342 · 08-24-2003, 07:49 PM

So how much longer till they release it? One year, two years???

JonInMiddleGA · 08-24-2003, 08:28 PM

It's not just you lynchjim, it's not just you.

Buccaneer · 08-24-2003, 08:34 PM

I think the novelty will wear off fairly quickly in this game, much like SimGolf and various tycoon games.

General Mike · 08-24-2003, 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by Buccaneer
I think the novelty will wear off fairly quickly in this game, much like SimGolf and various tycoon games.

I don't know, Rollercoaster Tycoon was pretty good.

I just don't know.

Buccaneer · 08-24-2003, 08:43 PM

Should have said various budget and gimmicky tycoon games (which rules out RRT and RCT).

PineTar · 08-24-2003, 09:09 PM

This is the best news I've heard since I found out they were making Caddyshack II

lynchjm24 · 08-24-2003, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by JonInMiddleGA
It's not just you lynchjim, it's not just you.

If you really want to get annoyed with this hokey piece of crap read this.

http://www.donnacom.com/ootpideas.html

All these terrific OOTP ideas that will be put off for years while this thing (ITP) is developed. I can't even put into words how amazed I am that this thing is even being produced and that there are people who actually think it's a good idea.

I know I have different tastes then many, but the overall goal of the game is to see what the price of your rookie card is someday?

mckerney · 08-24-2003, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by lynchjm24
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but this sounds like a big waste of time. The whole concept behind it is just lame.

I'd have to agree with you. The method of development is standard for any RPG it seems, you learn as time goes on and you gain experience, but you also increase skills from books and buying items. That's fine with me for an RPG, though not for a sports game. I don't really like the idea of buying shoes that make you more able to steal bases, gloves that make you better at catching, or learning to control your fastball from just reading a book. To me using a magic bat that makes you better at hitting is cheating (Fuck you Roy Hobbs!).

mckerney · 08-24-2003, 10:07 PM

Dola: And since when do professional atheletes buy their own equipment?

Ksyrup · 08-24-2003, 10:12 PM

Inside the park...outside my interest.

Killebrew · 08-24-2003, 11:32 PM

I'm very interested in buying the game, but only if it includes both spell-casting and highly accurate historical play.

Shkspr · 08-24-2003, 11:35 PM

I wanna play a dwarf. Think of all the free passes you'd get. But you'd always get pinch-run for.

CamEdwards · 08-24-2003, 11:46 PM

the idea seemed very cool to me, until I started reading some of the specifics. It's a shame, really. I was looking forward to this game until I learned how it will actually play out.

TroyF · 08-25-2003, 12:35 AM

Didn't pay attention to this until now. I gave the thread about 45 seconds of my time. That's 45 seconds more than I'll be playing the game.

TroyF

Honolulu Blue · 08-25-2003, 02:52 AM

I've been tracking this game for a long time. I was excited about the game a year ago, and I'm still excited about it. The fact that Markus and ITP obviously have their tongues planted in their cheeks does not lessen the appeal for me.

Schmidty · 08-25-2003, 03:06 AM

Regardless of what all the curmudgeons say, I think this game sounds fun. Sometimes good old brain dead entertainment is the best kind.......as long as it doesn't cost more than $25.00 or so.

FBPro · 08-25-2003, 03:09 AM

Simple solution.....

Sounds like a good/fun/interesting game to you = purchase it.
Doesn't sound like a good/fun.......yada, yada, yada = don't.

mckerney · 08-25-2003, 03:29 AM

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Originally posted by Schmidty
Regardless of what all the curmudgeons say, I think this game sounds fun. Sometimes good old brain dead entertainment is the best kind.......as long as it doesn't cost more than $25.00 or so.

Since when am I a curmudgeon?

Schmidty · 08-25-2003, 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by mckerney
Since when am I a curmudgeon?

Don't worry, champ. I think you're swell.

daedalus · 08-25-2003, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lynchjm24
If you really want to get annoyed with this hokey piece of crap read this.

http://www.donnacom.com/ootpideas.html

All these terrific OOTP ideas that will be put off for years while this thing (ITP) is developed. I can't even put into words how amazed I am that this thing is even being produced and that there are people who actually think it's a good idea.

I know I have different tastes then many, but the overall goal of the game is to see what the price of your rookie card is someday?

I'm not sure what Markus' decision to develop a game has anything to do with how someone's ideas on what they'd like to see changed in OOTP. Maybe I can see it if that was Markus' outline on the changes he intends to make to the OOTP serie once he's done with ITP. But it's not.

I'm also not sure why it's amazing that this game is being developed. You don't like it, peachy. Don't play it, don't follow it. I don't see how that makes it a bad game or a bad idea just because it isn't your cup of Earl Grey. I mean, I suppose I'm having a tough time seeing myself being pissed that Carmack is wasting his time with those damn useless FPS engines when he could make a killer sports simulation. It just seems . . . odd to me.

lynchjm24 · 08-25-2003, 06:21 AM

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Originally posted by daedalus
I'm not sure what Markus' decision to develop a game has anything to do with how someone's ideas on what they'd like to see changed in OOTP. Maybe I can see it if that was Markus' outline on the changes he intends to make to the OOTP serie once he's done with ITP. But it's not.

I'm also not sure why it's amazing that this game is being developed. You don't like it, peachy. Don't play it, don't follow it. I don't see how that makes it a bad game or a bad idea just because it isn't your cup of Earl Grey. I mean, I suppose I'm having a tough time seeing myself being pissed that Carmack is wasting his time with those damn useless FPS engines when he could make a killer sports simulation. It just seems . . . odd to me.

It has nothing to do with the actual ideas - it has to do with where the programming resources are being spent.

Yes, I find it amazing that someone who has taken OOTP to where it is would then program a game where you buy magic shoes, wonderboy bats and books about throwing spitters. While I'm sure that there will be current OOTP fans attracted to this game, most of the OOTP community looks for the game in the future to become more realistic. They want things like 40-man rosters, waiver systems, scheduled doubleheaders. They just don't seem to me like the type of crowd that is going to be interested in this game.

Of course I may be wrong, but the game just feels so painfully lame. I haven't followed it to this point, and past this thread I won't follow it. I sure as hell won't play it. I'm not sure why voicing this opinion is so distasteful to you. I would guess that had ITP been presented this way originially, the amount of negative feedback would have killed it in the beginning.

Ben E Lou · 08-25-2003, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by lynchjm24
It has nothing to do with the actual ideas - it has to do with where the programming resources are being spent.

Maybe Jim had an idea of the horrible direction this game was headed and that the programming resources were being spent outside the interest of true sports text sims fans and decided to develop Front Office Baseball??? (hopeful thinking....)

Bee · 08-25-2003, 06:43 AM

I think it will be an interesting twist. I'll try the demo (assuming there will be one) and decide if I want the game then.

As far as everyone who's upset about the programmers spending time one developing this...it's their call and they will either suffer or benefit from it financially. The idea seems pretty original to me and going in an original direction may help the company breakout of the small fanbase clique they currently have and get some mainstream attention.

I wish the guys the best of luck with the game and look forward to trying out the demo.

Ksyrup · 08-25-2003, 07:48 AM

I heard that in the demo, you're missing your arms and legs. So, you basically get one flyball in the kisser, and that's the extent of it.

GrantDawg · 08-25-2003, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CamEdwards
the idea seemed very cool to me, until I started reading some of the specifics. It's a shame, really. I was looking forward to this game until I learned how it will actually play out.

Ditto.

sterlingice · 08-25-2003, 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by mckerney
Since when am I a curmudgeon?

Doesn't Andrkl;ahdf;aiwenbfiuahsdfklhasdhf have that title locked up?

SI

Buccaneer · 08-25-2003, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by SkyDog
Maybe Jim had an idea of the horrible direction this game was headed and that the programming resources were being spent outside the interest of true sports text sims fans and decided to develop Front Office Baseball??? (hopeful thinking....)

Like programming a couple of "true" football text sims without a decent AI, without customization for rosters and leagues, without multiple human players, without expansion teams, without custom scheduling, etc.? Yep, a true sports text sims that only a few hardcore gamers would want to play. As long as you get what you want, right?

Is that curmudgeonly enough? (hanging on to my title...)

Ben E Lou · 08-25-2003, 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by Buccaneer
Like programming a couple of "true" football text sims without a decent AI, without customization for rosters and leagues, without multiple human players, without expansion teams, without custom scheduling, etc.? Yep, a true sports text sims that only a few hardcore gamers would want to play. As long as you get what you want, right?

Is that curmudgeonly enough? (hanging on to my title...)

1. AI is decent, could be better, but is decent.
2. I don't care about customization of rosters and leagues.
3. I don't care about multiplayer.
4. I don't care about custom scheduling.
5. Yep. I'm not interested in playing a game that someone else wants to play. Shocker of shockers, I want to play a game that interests me.

Bee · 08-25-2003, 08:54 AM

Gotta agree with SkyDog on number 1. While there are some glaring weaknesses with the AI that I think could be fixed, the overall AI in FOF is better than most text sims out there.

I also don't care about multi-player and the customization aspects would be a nice addition but aren't a game killer for me.

Ksyrup · 08-25-2003, 08:58 AM

I'd be thrilled to get a baseball game designed by Jim. I'm sure it would be a significant improvement over OOTP in certain areas.

Would I like the best of both worlds and have a combo of the best points of both games? Sure. But I'll take what I can get.

Bee · 08-25-2003, 09:00 AM

I can't think of a game I'd less rather it be than baseball.

cuervo72 · 08-25-2003, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyDog
1. AI is decent, could be better, but is decent.
2. I don't care about customization of rosters and leagues.
3. I don't care about multiplayer.
4. I don't care about custom scheduling.
5. Yep. I'm not interested in playing a game that someone else wants to play. Shocker of shockers, I want to play a game that interests me.

1. Well, I haven't played it enough to thrash (i.e. beat unmercifully) the AI, so I'm content with this one for the time being.
2. I would very much like more league customization. The ability to change divisional formats, add/subtract teams, reassign the teams to different cities (rather than just renaming cities where the current teams are based). I think it would also be nice if cities/nicknames weren't universal, but specific to a career.
3. I don't care much about multiplayer either. As long as the computer can trade and draft I'm fine.
4. Custom scheduling would be essential for certain parts of #2.
5. Jim couldn't have said that any better himself...

Ksyrup · 08-25-2003, 09:05 AM

Speaking of which...Jim...if you are out there...didn't you mention that you might be providing some info on the new game soon? Any time table on that "announcement?"

Fritz · 08-25-2003, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FBPro
Simple solution.....

Sounds like a good/fun/interesting game to you = purchase it.
Doesn't sound like a good/fun.......yada, yada, yada = don't.

In other obvious news:

Sun rises in the morning, sets in the evening.
Boys have a penis, Girls have a vagina.
BOB HOPE IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!

Butter · 08-25-2003, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by Fritz
BOB HOPE IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT?!?!? He had so much life ahead of him!

Oh, sorry. I thought you said "Tom Hanks". I thought Bob Hope died right after his "Spies Like Us" cameo.

KWhit · 08-25-2003, 09:44 AM

Right now I have no desire to play ITP. We'll see how it turns out, but from what I've heard it will not be my style.

heybrad · 08-25-2003, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by Bee
Gotta agree with SkyDog on number 1. While there are some glaring weaknesses with the AI that I think could be fixed, the overall AI in FOF is better than most text sims out there.

Its always baffled me how people say the AI is good and yet just about every dynasty on here starts out with all the restrictions, and I mean HUGE restrictions, that they have to put on themselves to make the game competitive.

Fritz · 08-25-2003, 10:15 AM

hey brad....

08-23-2003, 01:30 PM	#4
Patman n00b Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Manchester, NH	Sounds promising __________________ Lock the door, kill the light No one's coming home tonight They bring news that must get through. Dying peace in me and you Locked in a place where no one goes.

08-23-2003, 04:31 PM	#5
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Bump

08-23-2003, 05:50 PM	#6
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	A day too late for skippy... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

08-24-2003, 08:28 PM	#14
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	It's not just you lynchjim, it's not just you. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

08-24-2003, 09:09 PM	#18
PineTar High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000	This is the best news I've heard since I found out they were making Caddyshack II Last edited by PineTar : 08-24-2003 at 09:09 PM.

08-23-2003, 12:53 PM	#2
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	Ah Role playing sports game.. I like the idea.. hell i loved new star soccer game... that'll probably be a instant buy for me

08-23-2003, 01:17 PM	#3
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	looks pretty sweet

08-23-2003, 09:32 PM	#7
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	hmmmm sounds interesting....

08-24-2003, 10:03 AM	#8
lynchjm24 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hartford	I'm sure I'm in the minority, but this sounds like a big waste of time. The whole concept behind it is just lame.

08-24-2003, 10:43 AM	#10
Karim College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Calgary	New star soccer was fun for a couple days. I'm sure people will like ITP; I just don't know what replay value a RPG sports game has.

08-24-2003, 04:12 PM	#11
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Depends on how it's pulled off, but this may be a great Walter Mitty game.

08-24-2003, 07:49 PM	#13
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	So how much longer till they release it? One year, two years???

08-24-2003, 08:34 PM	#15
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I think the novelty will wear off fairly quickly in this game, much like SimGolf and various tycoon games.

08-24-2003, 08:43 PM	#17
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Should have said various budget and gimmicky tycoon games (which rules out RRT and RCT).

08-24-2003, 10:07 PM	#21
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Dola: And since when do professional atheletes buy their own equipment?

08-24-2003, 10:12 PM	#22
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Inside the park...outside my interest. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

08-24-2003, 11:32 PM	#23
Killebrew H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Feb 2003	I'm very interested in buying the game, but only if it includes both spell-casting and highly accurate historical play.

08-24-2003, 11:35 PM	#24
Shkspr College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Amarillo, TX	I wanna play a dwarf. Think of all the free passes you'd get. But you'd always get pinch-run for.

08-24-2003, 11:46 PM	#25
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	the idea seemed very cool to me, until I started reading some of the specifics. It's a shame, really. I was looking forward to this game until I learned how it will actually play out. __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

08-25-2003, 12:35 AM	#26
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Didn't pay attention to this until now. I gave the thread about 45 seconds of my time. That's 45 seconds more than I'll be playing the game. TroyF

08-25-2003, 02:52 AM	#27
Honolulu Blue Dynasty Boy Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Michigan	I've been tracking this game for a long time. I was excited about the game a year ago, and I'm still excited about it. The fact that Markus and ITP obviously have their tongues planted in their cheeks does not lessen the appeal for me.

08-25-2003, 03:06 AM	#28
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Regardless of what all the curmudgeons say, I think this game sounds fun. Sometimes good old brain dead entertainment is the best kind.......as long as it doesn't cost more than $25.00 or so. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

08-25-2003, 03:09 AM	#29
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	Simple solution..... Sounds like a good/fun/interesting game to you = purchase it. Doesn't sound like a good/fun.......yada, yada, yada = don't. __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

08-25-2003, 06:43 AM	#35
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I think it will be an interesting twist. I'll try the demo (assuming there will be one) and decide if I want the game then. As far as everyone who's upset about the programmers spending time one developing this...it's their call and they will either suffer or benefit from it financially. The idea seems pretty original to me and going in an original direction may help the company breakout of the small fanbase clique they currently have and get some mainstream attention. I wish the guys the best of luck with the game and look forward to trying out the demo.

08-25-2003, 07:48 AM	#36
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I heard that in the demo, you're missing your arms and legs. So, you basically get one flyball in the kisser, and that's the extent of it. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

08-25-2003, 08:54 AM	#41
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Gotta agree with SkyDog on number 1. While there are some glaring weaknesses with the AI that I think could be fixed, the overall AI in FOF is better than most text sims out there. I also don't care about multi-player and the customization aspects would be a nice addition but aren't a game killer for me.

08-25-2003, 08:58 AM	#42
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I'd be thrilled to get a baseball game designed by Jim. I'm sure it would be a significant improvement over OOTP in certain areas. Would I like the best of both worlds and have a combo of the best points of both games? Sure. But I'll take what I can get. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

08-25-2003, 09:00 AM	#43
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I can't think of a game I'd less rather it be than baseball.

08-25-2003, 09:05 AM	#45
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Speaking of which...Jim...if you are out there...didn't you mention that you might be providing some info on the new game soon? Any time table on that "announcement?" __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

08-25-2003, 09:44 AM	#48
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Right now I have no desire to play ITP. We'll see how it turns out, but from what I've heard it will not be my style.

08-25-2003, 10:15 AM	#50
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	hey brad.... __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

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