Switching training types...

terpkristin · 09-04-2003, 09:06 PM

Well, anybody who read my training update now knows that I have a 22 year old excellent GK. I've been training GK for awhile. My plan always was to sell my 2 GK's once they popped to excellent (my other GK is solid, I expect he'll pop in the next few weeks).

Obviously, after I sell the one this week, I'll need another GK. After I sell the other guy, I'll need another one. I'm hoping to have decent GK's, solids at least. But sometime soonish I'd like to switch back to PM training. My plan with training GK was to be able to sell them and make some money. Hopefully with money I'd be able to buy either some young blood PM trainees or buy some supporting players in the forward and defense positions.

But if I get GK's that aren't solid yet, I'll have to train them up to solid...are there any suggestions for how to transition between trainings to maximize effectiveness?

Am I making any sense? These drugs are SO messing with my head. Anyway...the upshot is that I'm going to sell 2 excellent keeprs (one will go on the market Sunday afternoon at a starting price probably around 550k), would like to replace them with solids and switch training to PM. Do I blow my money on replacement GK's (I think not, since I'm not planning on using them as trainees), or on forwards and defenders, or PM trainees??

I'm so confused........

~terpk

Doug5984 · 09-04-2003, 09:24 PM

If you plan on keeping one of the keepers long term then train the other one up and as soon as he pops sell him and then switch. Since you will be keeping the other keeper for a long time it wont be wasting the training to train him up to lets say solid + 3 weeks of training. Also for keepers you can tell whether the player is a high passable or low passable based on form and value and that way you can pick up a higher passable and train him up to solid quicker to make money faster. Hope that makes sense, and helps...

daedalus · 09-04-2003, 10:04 PM

Just something to consider . . .

You *might* consider keeping them until the end of the season since they should be able to pop one more time to formidable. You may be able to get more for them at the start of the season (and, obviously, as a formidable). Also, you should be able to snag some trainees a LOT cheaper at the end of the season. Havok did some very smart buying at the end of last season on the cheap when he was switching.

Doug5984 · 09-04-2003, 10:13 PM

daed has some good points abuot keeping them- but one thing to consider is the excellent is 22, and since the rule of thumb is to add 1 week for every year over 17 that is adding 5 more weeks to the training (the equevilent of 1 level for a 17 year old)...I think selling the 22 year old excellent and buying a 17 year old passable.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-04-2003, 11:30 PM

It's not quite one week per year after 17. One week per year after 19, with a smaller increase from 17 to 19. (maybe one week total?)

Although on the conferences, it seems to be a matter of some debate. I suspect that past variations in coaching skill (now eliminated) factor into it.

sterlingice · 09-05-2003, 05:07 AM

Two things:

1. Sell the excellent, scour the transfer market for a couple of weeks, and get a pretty high solid for $200K- you can do it, but it will take a little time. Also, try to get one that is pretty young so you can keep him around for a while. Or just keep one of your excellents- that's a great way to start off with an awesome keeper.

2. In no way should you have a pair of solids. Not that two wouldn't be nice, but you'd be wasting some serious cash. Even if you find a pair for a "cheap" $200K, that's $200K that will be sitting your bench unless one gets hurt. Spend that $200K on a good 17-18yo solid of whatever skill you are going to be training or 2-3 passables with good secondaries. Get a passable backup. Hell, my backup is only inadequate, tho I've been looking to upgrade. That's only ~$70K (haven't looked lately so it may be higher or lower) on a good day and spend that $130K in player development.

EDIT: In the event that you get an injury you may have to go out and get a second solid for a rental or something. Also, don't even think about wasting a couple of weeks of training on training a guy up to solid- that's just a waste of time. Spend the extra cash because 4 weeks of keeper training on someone who won't even bump isn't nearly worth half a level of playmaking/defense/offense training on a set of 3 17yo passable trainees.

SI

terpkristin · 09-05-2003, 01:33 PM

Hey guys, I appreciate all the input...BUT, the situation changed slightly.
It turns out that I looked at the "completed" training before it was actually completed. Both of my GK's popped to excellent.

So I'm *thinking* that the plan now is to sell both, pick up some new GK's for members of my team, and then hopefully pick up some trainees for midfield or some forwards and defenders...of course, I'll be switching back to PM training.

Sound logical?
~terpk

09-04-2003, 11:30 PM	#5
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	It's not quite one week per year after 17. One week per year after 19, with a smaller increase from 17 to 19. (maybe one week total?) Although on the conferences, it seems to be a matter of some debate. I suspect that past variations in coaching skill (now eliminated) factor into it. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

09-05-2003, 05:07 AM	#6
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Two things: 1. Sell the excellent, scour the transfer market for a couple of weeks, and get a pretty high solid for $200K- you can do it, but it will take a little time. Also, try to get one that is pretty young so you can keep him around for a while. Or just keep one of your excellents- that's a great way to start off with an awesome keeper. 2. In no way should you have a pair of solids. Not that two wouldn't be nice, but you'd be wasting some serious cash. Even if you find a pair for a "cheap" $200K, that's $200K that will be sitting your bench unless one gets hurt. Spend that $200K on a good 17-18yo solid of whatever skill you are going to be training or 2-3 passables with good secondaries. Get a passable backup. Hell, my backup is only inadequate, tho I've been looking to upgrade. That's only ~$70K (haven't looked lately so it may be higher or lower) on a good day and spend that $130K in player development. EDIT: In the event that you get an injury you may have to go out and get a second solid for a rental or something. Also, don't even think about wasting a couple of weeks of training on training a guy up to solid- that's just a waste of time. Spend the extra cash because 4 weeks of keeper training on someone who won't even bump isn't nearly worth half a level of playmaking/defense/offense training on a set of 3 17yo passable trainees. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 09-05-2003 at 05:10 AM.

09-05-2003, 01:33 PM	#7
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	Hey guys, I appreciate all the input...BUT, the situation changed slightly. It turns out that I looked at the "completed" training before it was actually completed. Both of my GK's popped to excellent. So I'm thinking that the plan now is to sell both, pick up some new GK's for members of my team, and then hopefully pick up some trainees for midfield or some forwards and defenders...of course, I'll be switching back to PM training. Sound logical? ~terpk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

09-04-2003, 09:24 PM	#2
Doug5984 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisiana	If you plan on keeping one of the keepers long term then train the other one up and as soon as he pops sell him and then switch. Since you will be keeping the other keeper for a long time it wont be wasting the training to train him up to lets say solid + 3 weeks of training. Also for keepers you can tell whether the player is a high passable or low passable based on form and value and that way you can pick up a higher passable and train him up to solid quicker to make money faster. Hope that makes sense, and helps...

09-04-2003, 10:04 PM	#3
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	Just something to consider . . . You might consider keeping them until the end of the season since they should be able to pop one more time to formidable. You may be able to get more for them at the start of the season (and, obviously, as a formidable). Also, you should be able to snag some trainees a LOT cheaper at the end of the season. Havok did some very smart buying at the end of last season on the cheap when he was switching.

09-04-2003, 10:13 PM	#4
Doug5984 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisiana	daed has some good points abuot keeping them- but one thing to consider is the excellent is 22, and since the rule of thumb is to add 1 week for every year over 17 that is adding 5 more weeks to the training (the equevilent of 1 level for a 17 year old)...I think selling the 22 year old excellent and buying a 17 year old passable.

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