Winger Question

Qwikshot · 10-21-2003, 06:59 PM

I'm looking into buying a winger...specifically for a 3-4-3 attack...so I'm willing to splurge to get a guy.

What should I look for? Ideally, and I don't have a big big budget, but I'm looking for value.

Ideally, I'd probably go with someone with more offensive abilities over a defensive winger. (I have 4 solid defenders whom I rotate).

Thanks for your help...I'm more inclined to buy a guy this season before the price hike at the dawn of next season.

Thanks

btw (edit)...I use three inner mids. One is typically offensive, one is set to defensive, plus the guy from my CD/WB spot.

Havok · 10-21-2003, 08:24 PM

Since your training scoring i'd say age isn't such a big deal right??

Im not sure what your looking for. If you want a all out offensive winger and playmaking isn't a concern. Then a middle aged (24-28) excellent winger with good passing and decent experiance should cost ya around 200k-275k i think. GE just bought a really good 29 year old offensive "excellent" winger with good passing for like 170k.

Now since you run a 3-4-3 you might want a winger with better Playmaking and that will jack up the price some. A excellent winger with passable or high PM can get expensive.

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Havok · 10-21-2003, 08:26 PM

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daedalus · 10-21-2003, 08:39 PM

Personal opinion here . . .

I'd ignore defense. I'd look for winger first and keep an eye on playmaking. For example, given a choice between an excellent winger with weak playmaking or a solid winger with passable playmaking, go with the latter. You're going to generate quite a bit of offense with your forwards anyway so you can afford to surrender a bit of offense in favour of possession. Then whatever passing you can get is gravy.

Another thing, upgrade your inner midfielders. Even if you're happy with your inner midfielders. Upgrade them anyway. I notice quality 3-4-3 teams losing road games more than they should, just because of the loss of that level of midfield.

Qwikshot · 10-21-2003, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by Havok
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Yeah I know I should have it by now...you know I write down in a logbook specific picks!?!

Anyhow...

I have a 20ish passable wing/ passable pass / poor play...but I want to maximize the position...

I guess I'll have to seriously consider saving...I have four solid defenders, four solid strikers, and a midfield that is ragtag with passable vets (with inadequate experience) and solid youngings...

This is what I don't understand, say I buy just an excellent winger...is he better than a passable winger with passable passing/playmaking skills...this is what I was always confused with...

Qwikshot · 10-21-2003, 08:48 PM

Here's a guy I'm looking at...

Stamina: passable Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate
Winger: passable Defending: poor
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: weak

Would he we a decent offensive winger?

daedalus · 10-21-2003, 11:20 PM

He'd fill-in okies as an offensive winger. You'll probably want to give him at least 1 week (preferably 2) of stamina training to take advantage of that playmaking.

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This is what I don't understand, say I buy just an excellent winger...is he better than a passable winger with passable passing/playmaking skills...this is what I was always confused with...

Assuming the excellent winger has limited passing, then you'd probably get similar performances. Remember, the winger skill counts first and foremost for wing offense and their passing skill third (I think). The excellent winger has a chance to get you a winger event, though.

Playing 3-4-3, though, you'll want to be able to count on playmaking from your winger so you don't lose out due to having less possession. So, keep an eye on playmaking (and stamina).

Qwikshot · 10-21-2003, 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by daedalus
He'd fill-in okies as an offensive winger. You'll probably want to give him at least 1 week (preferably 2) of stamina training to take advantage of that playmaking.Assuming the excellent winger has limited passing, then you'd probably get similar performances. Remember, the winger skill counts first and foremost for wing offense and their passing skill third (I think). The excellent winger has a chance to get you a winger event, though.

Playing 3-4-3, though, you'll want to be able to count on playmaking from your winger so you don't lose out due to having less possession. So, keep an eye on playmaking (and stamina).

Thanks Daed!

-Panther · 10-22-2003, 07:10 AM

I run a 3-4-3 and I've currently got a passable winger with passable playmaking and weak passing. (excellent stamina)

winger skill is the most important for every order you give you winger except for:

defensive: defending gets a bonus while winger gets a penalty.
towards-middle: playmaking bonus, winger penalty.

both of which I do not recomment with a 3-4-3, I don't recommend defensive at all.

seeing as how winger skill gets a bonus when played offensive,
a pass/pass (winger/PM) is better than a solid/inad since we've got 3 strikers to add to the attacking wing to make up for the 1 level lower winger and the PM will help the midfield more since it's higher.

so with 3-4-3, I'd recommend a winger with good playmaking and not pay 'too' much attack to the passing. my pass/pass/weak winger gets winger events quite frequently, but when I had a solid winger with passable passing, but only weak PM, I got more winger events, but my midfield was 1 level lower. I'll take the midfield as both wingers gave me the same attack rating on their side with the same strikers. with 3 solid strikers I got excellent wing attack with both wingers.

hell, now with 3 excellent strikers I still get excellent wing attack

but my abandoned wing actually gets a semi-decent inadequate attack due to the strikers.

3-5-2 users are in a different boat, they've got 2 winger slots so a pure attacking (winger+passing) and a midfield favored winger (winger+playmaking) can be had as they need more help with attack since they've only got 2 strikers whereas we've got only 1 winger and 3 strikers so we need more help with midfield.

I'd say passable winger should be minimum and and passable playmaking. you can get a pass/pass winger for average, I'd say 50-80k with excellent stamina. haven't seen to many passable wingers with solid PM and solid/solid seems to go for 300-400k

although, I'll be looking to upgrade my winger slot soon so I'm looking for atleast a solid/solid or maybe a excellent playmaker with atleast passable-solid winger but first I need money

Qwikshot · 10-22-2003, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by -Panther
I run a 3-4-3 and I've currently got a passable winger with passable playmaking and weak passing. (excellent stamina)

winger skill is the most important for every order you give you winger except for:

defensive: defending gets a bonus while winger gets a penalty.
towards-middle: playmaking bonus, winger penalty.

both of which I do not recomment with a 3-4-3, I don't recommend defensive at all.

seeing as how winger skill gets a bonus when played offensive,
a pass/pass (winger/PM) is better than a solid/inad since we've got 3 strikers to add to the attacking wing to make up for the 1 level lower winger and the PM will help the midfield more since it's higher.

so with 3-4-3, I'd recommend a winger with good playmaking and not pay 'too' much attack to the passing. my pass/pass/weak winger gets winger events quite frequently, but when I had a solid winger with passable passing, but only weak PM, I got more winger events, but my midfield was 1 level lower. I'll take the midfield as both wingers gave me the same attack rating on their side with the same strikers. with 3 solid strikers I got excellent wing attack with both wingers.

hell, now with 3 excellent strikers I still get excellent wing attack but my abandoned wing actually gets a semi-decent inadequate attack due to the strikers.

3-5-2 users are in a different boat, they've got 2 winger slots so a pure attacking (winger+passing) and a midfield favored winger (winger+playmaking) can be had as they need more help with attack since they've only got 2 strikers whereas we've got only 1 winger and 3 strikers so we need more help with midfield.

I'd say passable winger should be minimum and and passable playmaking. you can get a pass/pass winger for average, I'd say 50-80k with excellent stamina. haven't seen to many passable wingers with solid PM and solid/solid seems to go for 300-400k

although, I'll be looking to upgrade my winger slot soon so I'm looking for atleast a solid/solid or maybe a excellent playmaker with atleast passable-solid winger but first I need money

Thanks -Panther, that helps immensely.

daedalus · 10-22-2003, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by -Panther
my pass/pass/weak winger gets winger events quite frequently

To add to this, I have a feeling that this is because of the quality of strikers that Panther has. Remember, a winger event can by finished by either a header specialist or a really good finisher. I think I get less than I should be because my finishers are kind of below-par and I have no header specialist in the lineup. You should do okay once your forward trainee have some finishing skills.

Oh, yeah . . . as usual, what Panther said.

Qwikshot · 10-24-2003, 02:04 PM

Siem Herben
39 000 US$, 30 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities [Unpredictable]

Stamina: excellent Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: weak
Winger: passable Defending: wretched
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: poor

I bought him for 50k even. He's from a team that is two weeks old (at least I think). No priors, the guy had him at defense or middie, so he wasn't even playing the right position. He'll be playing in my friendly...I know he's old (and that he lacks experience) but I don't think it was a bad deal, at least for a season (next one).

daedalus · 10-24-2003, 02:18 PM

Blah, screw age. It's a good buy. You shouldn't have any problems getting a couple of seasons out of him. [Obviously, aging varies but I have a 32 year old who hasn't lost his abilities so not every player start wearing Depends once they hit the mighty 3-0.] Unpredictable is also an interesting specialization on the wing.

You might want to keep an eye on maybe a slightly lesser and maybe cheaper winger for his backup, however. Any injury to a 30-31 year old won't heal very quickly.

Qwikshot · 10-24-2003, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by daedalus
Blah, screw age. It's a good buy. You shouldn't have any problems getting a couple of seasons out of him. [Obviously, aging varies but I have a 32 year old who hasn't lost his abilities so not every player start wearing Depends once they hit the mighty 3-0.] Unpredictable is also an interesting specialization on the wing.

You might want to keep an eye on maybe a slightly lesser and maybe cheaper winger for his backup, however. Any injury to a 30-31 year old won't heal very quickly.

This are his backups unless they get bought by someone:

Carl Leonard
110 000 US$, 18 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: passable Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: weak

-I set him to offensive but he's been a disappointment, I don't train him at striker- (He's on sale)

Luis Gebler
144 000 US$, 19 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: passable
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous

-I play him towards mid, I believe he's a high weak/low inadequate...I bought him as a backup/starting defender, but then pulled three solid defenders-(He's on sale)

Pedro Pichot
35 000 US$, 32 years, inadequate form
Has inadequate experience and passable leadership abilities

Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: inadequate

-I grabbed some older vets to plug in at midfield, Pedro would be a last ditch replacement for wing, I'd play him at towards mid-

10-21-2003, 08:24 PM	#2
Havok College Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Florida	Since your training scoring i'd say age isn't such a big deal right?? Im not sure what your looking for. If you want a all out offensive winger and playmaking isn't a concern. Then a middle aged (24-28) excellent winger with good passing and decent experiance should cost ya around 200k-275k i think. GE just bought a really good 29 year old offensive "excellent" winger with good passing for like 170k. Now since you run a 3-4-3 you might want a winger with better Playmaking and that will jack up the price some. A excellent winger with passable or high PM can get expensive. *****W A R N I N G **** The winger market is easily the most unpredictable market in hattrick. So your best bet is to look through every market and bookmark all the guys you like and see what they go for. __________________ Maniacal Misfitz** - We're better than you and we know it!

10-21-2003, 08:26 PM	#3
Havok College Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Florida	~DOLA~ Get HT supporter already so i can sign your guessbook dammit __________________ Maniacal Misfitz - We're better than you and we know it!

10-21-2003, 08:48 PM	#6
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Here's a guy I'm looking at... Stamina: passable Goaltending: disastrous Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate Winger: passable Defending: poor Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: weak Would he we a decent offensive winger? __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

10-22-2003, 07:10 AM	#9
-Panther High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Lost	I run a 3-4-3 and I've currently got a passable winger with passable playmaking and weak passing. (excellent stamina) winger skill is the most important for every order you give you winger except for: defensive: defending gets a bonus while winger gets a penalty. towards-middle: playmaking bonus, winger penalty. both of which I do not recomment with a 3-4-3, I don't recommend defensive at all. seeing as how winger skill gets a bonus when played offensive, a pass/pass (winger/PM) is better than a solid/inad since we've got 3 strikers to add to the attacking wing to make up for the 1 level lower winger and the PM will help the midfield more since it's higher. so with 3-4-3, I'd recommend a winger with good playmaking and not pay 'too' much attack to the passing. my pass/pass/weak winger gets winger events quite frequently, but when I had a solid winger with passable passing, but only weak PM, I got more winger events, but my midfield was 1 level lower. I'll take the midfield as both wingers gave me the same attack rating on their side with the same strikers. with 3 solid strikers I got excellent wing attack with both wingers. hell, now with 3 excellent strikers I still get excellent wing attack but my abandoned wing actually gets a semi-decent inadequate attack due to the strikers. 3-5-2 users are in a different boat, they've got 2 winger slots so a pure attacking (winger+passing) and a midfield favored winger (winger+playmaking) can be had as they need more help with attack since they've only got 2 strikers whereas we've got only 1 winger and 3 strikers so we need more help with midfield. I'd say passable winger should be minimum and and passable playmaking. you can get a pass/pass winger for average, I'd say 50-80k with excellent stamina. haven't seen to many passable wingers with solid PM and solid/solid seems to go for 300-400k although, I'll be looking to upgrade my winger slot soon so I'm looking for atleast a solid/solid or maybe a excellent playmaker with atleast passable-solid winger but first I need money __________________ Stupidity is an Equal Opportunity Employer. Last edited by -Panther : 10-22-2003 at 07:17 AM.

10-24-2003, 02:04 PM	#12
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Siem Herben 39 000 US$, 30 years, poor form Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities [Unpredictable] Stamina: excellent Keeper: wretched Playmaking: solid Passing: weak Winger: passable Defending: wretched Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: poor I bought him for 50k even. He's from a team that is two weeks old (at least I think). No priors, the guy had him at defense or middie, so he wasn't even playing the right position. He'll be playing in my friendly...I know he's old (and that he lacks experience) but I don't think it was a bad deal, at least for a season (next one). __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

10-21-2003, 08:39 PM	#4
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	Personal opinion here . . . I'd ignore defense. I'd look for winger first and keep an eye on playmaking. For example, given a choice between an excellent winger with weak playmaking or a solid winger with passable playmaking, go with the latter. You're going to generate quite a bit of offense with your forwards anyway so you can afford to surrender a bit of offense in favour of possession. Then whatever passing you can get is gravy. Another thing, upgrade your inner midfielders. Even if you're happy with your inner midfielders. Upgrade them anyway. I notice quality 3-4-3 teams losing road games more than they should, just because of the loss of that level of midfield.

10-24-2003, 02:18 PM	#13
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	Blah, screw age. It's a good buy. You shouldn't have any problems getting a couple of seasons out of him. [Obviously, aging varies but I have a 32 year old who hasn't lost his abilities so not every player start wearing Depends once they hit the mighty 3-0.] Unpredictable is also an interesting specialization on the wing. You might want to keep an eye on maybe a slightly lesser and maybe cheaper winger for his backup, however. Any injury to a 30-31 year old won't heal very quickly.

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