FOFCL: List your city (if fictional is decided)

HornedFrog Purple · 10-22-2003, 03:53 PM

This is to help with alignments and stuff in case we go that route with a fictional league.

I would like my team in Fort Worth (Texas). If Senator wants Fort Worth, I will take Waco.

cthomer5000 · 10-22-2003, 03:53 PM

North Plainfield, New Jersey

edit: If we can somehow edit the starting cities, I would actually like one of the New Jersey markets (Newark?), while still calling it North Plainfield.

Darkiller · 10-22-2003, 03:55 PM

Paris, France (If possible...)
if not : San Francisco !

TroyF · 10-22-2003, 04:02 PM

I'll take Stillwater, OK. If that doesn't work for the divisions or puts me in an impossible population situation, I'll go with Fort Collins, CO. (I'd pick Denver, but I'd like to have a gap between Bucc and my team. We can both compete for the ticket dollars of the Denver crowd)

TroyF

Ben E Lou · 10-22-2003, 04:20 PM

Well, that depends on how things work. I'd like good ol' Tucker, GA, if it doesn't hurt me financially to do so.

Buzzbee · 10-22-2003, 04:28 PM

I wonder if we'll be able to edit the city data. If not, teams located in larger cities with little competition may have an advantage. I could see Dallas, Denver, St. Louis, and possibly Chicago having a distinct advantage over places like Boston, Philly, Pittsburg, and DC.

Would be interesting to set all the city data equal so that no team has a financial advantage.

Bee · 10-22-2003, 04:36 PM

Fairfax, VA

Samdari · 10-22-2003, 04:38 PM

Springfield, VA. Is it too early to trash talk the losers from Fairfax?

GrantDawg · 10-22-2003, 04:43 PM

We have so many "ifs" going on right now. How 'bout we set up some voting on what we prefer so that we can have a solid idea of what is going on?

Ben E Lou · 10-22-2003, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GrantDawg
We have so many "ifs" going on right now. How 'bout we set up some voting on what we prefer so that we can have a solid idea of what is going on?

Well, until we know all the details of how multiplayer works, we might want to wait on some of those decisions.

HornedFrog Purple · 10-22-2003, 04:47 PM

Yes... I also suggest that instead of a poll, each person types their response. I will be happy to tab them up, this prevents a crooked ballot.

GrantDawg · 10-22-2003, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
Yes... I also suggest that instead of a poll, each person types their response. I will be happy to tab them up, this prevents a crooked ballot.

I agree. I also think we ought to have like a ranking sytem vote instead of just vote for one.

HornedFrog Purple · 10-22-2003, 04:55 PM

Should we start with the very basic?

Fictional team names or actual NFL team names.

GrantDawg · 10-22-2003, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
Should we start with the very basic?

Fictional team names or actual NFL team names.

I think it needs to start with rosters. If we are sticking with actual team rosters, I think the other decision would be affected.

HornedFrog Purple · 10-22-2003, 05:01 PM

ok then.. ill start it up.

SackAttack · 10-22-2003, 05:14 PM

Brooklyn, NY or Columbia, MO.

mckerney · 10-22-2003, 05:49 PM

I will take the city refered to as Minnesota

Senator · 10-22-2003, 06:35 PM

I am going to be the Washington Senators, so HFP can have Fort Worth. Besides, you called it first.

Senator · 10-22-2003, 06:38 PM

Strike that.

I will be San Antonio then. I want to be in the same division as HFP so we can share the play sheet.

Kodos · 10-22-2003, 07:17 PM

Depending on other factors, I would like to put my team in Rochester, New York. My real hometown.

Chief Rum · 10-23-2003, 02:22 AM

Don't know if this is already decided further up in this forum, but if not, I would like to see a team return to Anaheim. And I would want to control that team, if possible.

CR

Vince · 10-23-2003, 02:27 AM

San Luis Obispo, CA

Vegas Vic · 10-23-2003, 03:27 AM

I'm all for whatever you guys decide is the best way to go with the cities, but I'd like to toss out some food for thought. There will inevitably be some turnover with the franchises, and it could be problematic finding replacement GM's to identify with the fictional cities. It would probably be more appealing for someone from Gresham, Oregon to take over the New Orleans Saints instead of taking over the Biloxi Boll Weevils.

I'd like to open this topic for discussion -- pros and cons -- and let's see if we can reach a consensus on this issue.

MIJB#19 · 10-23-2003, 03:43 AM

I'd like to play in Maassluis, Netherlands.
If relocating due to FOF's coordinates does not work, It be happy to land in the Netherlands Antilles.
Or if I have to take a city already in the game, I wouldn't mind being on a team located in some city that can be linked with my country, like New York.

cuervo72 · 10-23-2003, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by Vegas Vic
I'm all for whatever you guys decide is the best way to go with the cities, but I'd like to toss out some food for thought. There will inevitably be some turnover with the franchises, and it could be problematic finding replacement GM's to identify with the fictional cities. It would probably be more appealing for someone from Gresham, Oregon to take over the New Orleans Saints instead of taking over the Biloxi Boll Weevils.

I'd like to open this topic for discussion -- pros and cons -- and let's see if we can reach a consensus on this issue.

But if location is largely superficial, i.e. we get into the file and change the name and not the coordinates (though I'm guessing someone will write a utility to do that, too) we can just rename the city in the cities file. I don't know if that would be that big a problem, as long as that turnover isn't constant. As for geographic alignment, I don't know if that should really be much of a concern anyhow. If there's an outlier here or there, so be it. The NFL still has its St. Louis' and Dallas' of the world.

Daimyo · 10-23-2003, 09:25 AM

If we're stuck with real NFL city names I'll take Indianapolis and figure out a nickname later. If we can edit the city names I'd like to change it to Columbus (IN).

cthomer5000 · 10-23-2003, 09:48 AM

updated 10/24 10:47 eastern

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Player			First Choice		Second

Bee			Fairfax, VA
Blackadar		Boulder, CO
Chief Rum		Anaheim, CA
cthomer5000		North Plainfield, NJ
Daimyo			Indianapolis, IN
Darkiller		Paris, France		San Francisco, CA
GrantDawg		Covington, GA		
HornedFrogPurple	Fort Worth, TX		Waco, TX
Kodos			Rochester, NY
mckerney		Minnesota
MIJB#19			Maassluis, Netherlands	New York City
SackAttack		Brooklyn, NY		Columbia, MO
Samdari			Springfield, VA
Senator			San Antonio, TX
SkyDog			Tucker, GA
TroyF			Stillwater, OK		Fort Collins, CO
Vince			San Luis Obispo, CA

cthomer5000 · 10-23-2003, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vegas Vic
I'm all for whatever you guys decide is the best way to go with the cities, but I'd like to toss out some food for thought. There will inevitably be some turnover with the franchises, and it could be problematic finding replacement GM's to identify with the fictional cities. It would probably be more appealing for someone from Gresham, Oregon to take over the New Orleans Saints instead of taking over the Biloxi Boll Weevils.

I'd like to open this topic for discussion -- pros and cons -- and let's see if we can reach a consensus on this issue.

I think you make some very good points and raise some issues:

How easy will it to be for us to really change the starting cities? Jim has already stated this is not a game feature, so we'd need a 3rd party program in order to do this.

Do we really want to deal with finances?

As the game stands we can change our starting cities in a completely cosmetic fashion, by just changing the city names to reflect where we want our teams to be stationed. While there will be some strange weather conditions at times, I think we all have the imagination to overcome minor issues like that. Therefore, we can appear to have 4 teams stationed in the Atlanta Metro area, but they'll really each be playing in the markets of Carolina, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, and not killing each other financially.

This would also be favorable for when a new owner takes over a team. They can easily "move" the Princeton Snobs to become the Los Angeles Smog. That way we don't have to worry about someone taking over a team they're not really interested in, they'll have the chance to move them (again, in a completely cosmetic way).

I don't think any of us will care if we're raking in the largest profit as long as we're going 3-13 every year. The spirit of this multi-player league is to compete on the football field, not to compare our bottom lines. For these reasons, I'm in favor of us ignoring the bottom line finances.

I do however think we should create some sort of cap outside the game to determine coach and scouting hirings. Otherwise, what's to stop any of us from paying 100 million a year to ensure we bring in the best coach?

GrantDawg · 10-23-2003, 10:14 AM

Jim said there would already be a limit on what you can spend on coaches, so that is there. I don't see any reason for us to concetrate on the bottom line. This should be about the teams and what happens on the field.

MrIllini · 10-23-2003, 10:36 AM

I got Peoria, IL

Vince · 10-23-2003, 06:36 PM

cthomer brought up a good point that was what I based my opinion that we start with fictional cities on. I'm assuming we're going to leave the original economic options as is, so my San Luis Obispo Burn will really be playing in a pre-established NFL market, not really San Luis Obispo. Like cthomer said, if this is the case, we can easily 'move' a franchise if a new owner takes over.

I agree with GrantDawg and cthomer in that I think most of us are more worried about on-the-field performance than the bottom line.

Blackadar · 10-23-2003, 09:09 PM

Real teams: Pittsburgh, PA

Fictional teams: Boulder, CO

GrantDawg · 10-24-2003, 09:29 AM

I guess I'll go with Covington, Ga.

The Covington Newts. Who is making the helmets and logos? I can't stand doing that junk.

cuervo72 · 10-24-2003, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GrantDawg
I guess I'll go with Covington, Ga.

The Covington Newts. Who is making the helmets and logos? I can't stand doing that junk.

You don't really want Newt on a helmet.....do you?

Senator · 10-24-2003, 10:06 AM

helmet

Banner

KWhit · 10-24-2003, 10:25 AM

Conyers, GA.

Trying to think of a good team name now.

Actually, there is a lady who lives in Conyers who thinks she can see the Virgin Mary.

So I thought about naming my team the Conyers Marys, but I may reconsider.

For the logo I'd probably use the picture that's in the "Ummmm....Skydog" thread.

Ben E Lou · 10-24-2003, 10:29 AM

Nice to have 'em ready made. I have no creativity whatsoever.

cuervo72 · 10-24-2003, 10:47 AM

SD, I'm surprised they don't use the logo on the helmet - it's a really cool logo.

As I stated in another thread, I'm available for making helmets, I've already done a load of them for that other league, and a couple for us here.

Ben E Lou · 10-24-2003, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cuervo72
SD, I'm surprised they don't use the logo on the helmet - it's a really cool logo.

As I stated in another thread, I'm available for making helmets, I've already done a load of them for that other league, and a couple for us here.

Could you change the colors of the logo to match the colors of the helmet? I like the helmet colors better.

cthomer5000 · 10-24-2003, 10:49 AM

North Plainfield Plague

and our throwback helmet:

cuervo72 · 10-24-2003, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyDog
Could you change the colors of the logo to match the colors of the helmet? I like the helmet colors better.

In general, or to place it on the helmet? I should be able to do either.

Senator, if I may:

Ben E Lou · 10-24-2003, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cuervo72
In general, or to place it on the helmet? I should be able to do either.

Both.

cuervo72 · 10-24-2003, 11:22 AM

cuervo72 · 10-24-2003, 11:25 AM

And the logo.

GrantDawg · 10-24-2003, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cuervo72
You don't really want Newt on a helmet.....do you?

I need a Newt in the logo, but I'd rather have an "Old School" helmet. No logo needed.

Red and Black are my favorite team colors, but I don't think it fits the "Newts." Probably colors close to the Oregon Ducks, with the green being prominent.

cuervo72 · 10-24-2003, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GrantDawg
I need a Newt in the logo, but I'd rather have an "Old School" helmet. No logo needed.

Red and Black are my favorite team colors, but I don't think it fits the "Newts." Probably colors close to the Oregon Ducks, with the green being prominent.

So maybe "Newts" in text on the helmet then, or completely blank?

GrantDawg · 10-24-2003, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cuervo72
So maybe "Newts" in text on the helmet then, or completely blank?

Maybe a "C" or blank with a stripe. Don't put "Newts" on it.

Ben E Lou · 10-24-2003, 11:51 AM

cuervo:

Looks great. One small request, if it isn't too much trouble, can the color (in both) be less reddish and more maroonish? Something along the lines of this color:

GrantDawg · 10-24-2003, 12:01 PM

Actually, the more I look at it I think the Oregon Duck helmet with a "C" instead of an "O" would be perfect.

KWhit · 10-24-2003, 12:08 PM

GD,

Why the Newts? Is it a Monty Python reference, or do you really like those Geico commercials*?

* Yes, I know it isn't a newt in the Geico commercials.

10-22-2003, 03:55 PM	#3
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10-22-2003, 04:20 PM	#5
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Well, that depends on how things work. I'd like good ol' Tucker, GA, if it doesn't hurt me financially to do so. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

10-22-2003, 04:28 PM	#6
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	I wonder if we'll be able to edit the city data. If not, teams located in larger cities with little competition may have an advantage. I could see Dallas, Denver, St. Louis, and possibly Chicago having a distinct advantage over places like Boston, Philly, Pittsburg, and DC. Would be interesting to set all the city data equal so that no team has a financial advantage. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

10-22-2003, 04:38 PM	#8
Samdari Roster Filler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cicero	Springfield, VA. Is it too early to trash talk the losers from Fairfax? __________________ http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price!

10-22-2003, 04:47 PM	#11
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Yes... I also suggest that instead of a poll, each person types their response. I will be happy to tab them up, this prevents a crooked ballot. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

10-22-2003, 04:02 PM	#4
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'll take Stillwater, OK. If that doesn't work for the divisions or puts me in an impossible population situation, I'll go with Fort Collins, CO. (I'd pick Denver, but I'd like to have a gap between Bucc and my team. We can both compete for the ticket dollars of the Denver crowd) TroyF

10-22-2003, 04:36 PM	#7
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Fairfax, VA

10-22-2003, 04:43 PM	#9
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	We have so many "ifs" going on right now. How 'bout we set up some voting on what we prefer so that we can have a solid idea of what is going on?

10-22-2003, 04:55 PM	#13
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Should we start with the very basic? Fictional team names or actual NFL team names. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

10-22-2003, 05:01 PM	#15
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	ok then.. ill start it up. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

10-22-2003, 05:14 PM	#16
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Brooklyn, NY or Columbia, MO.

10-22-2003, 05:49 PM	#17
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I will take the city refered to as Minnesota

10-22-2003, 06:35 PM	#18
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	I am going to be the Washington Senators, so HFP can have Fort Worth. Besides, you called it first. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

10-22-2003, 06:38 PM	#19
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	Strike that. I will be San Antonio then. I want to be in the same division as HFP so we can share the play sheet. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

10-22-2003, 07:17 PM	#20
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Depending on other factors, I would like to put my team in Rochester, New York. My real hometown.

10-23-2003, 02:22 AM	#21
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Don't know if this is already decided further up in this forum, but if not, I would like to see a team return to Anaheim. And I would want to control that team, if possible. CR __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

10-23-2003, 02:27 AM	#22
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	San Luis Obispo, CA __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

10-23-2003, 03:27 AM	#23
Vegas Vic Checkraising Tourists Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL	I'm all for whatever you guys decide is the best way to go with the cities, but I'd like to toss out some food for thought. There will inevitably be some turnover with the franchises, and it could be problematic finding replacement GM's to identify with the fictional cities. It would probably be more appealing for someone from Gresham, Oregon to take over the New Orleans Saints instead of taking over the Biloxi Boll Weevils. I'd like to open this topic for discussion -- pros and cons -- and let's see if we can reach a consensus on this issue.

10-23-2003, 03:43 AM	#24
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	I'd like to play in Maassluis, Netherlands. If relocating due to FOF's coordinates does not work, It be happy to land in the Netherlands Antilles. Or if I have to take a city already in the game, I wouldn't mind being on a team located in some city that can be linked with my country, like New York.

10-23-2003, 09:25 AM	#26
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	If we're stuck with real NFL city names I'll take Indianapolis and figure out a nickname later. If we can edit the city names I'd like to change it to Columbus (IN).

10-23-2003, 10:14 AM	#29
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Jim said there would already be a limit on what you can spend on coaches, so that is there. I don't see any reason for us to concetrate on the bottom line. This should be about the teams and what happens on the field.

10-23-2003, 10:36 AM	#30
MrIllini High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where you live	I got Peoria, IL __________________ if i said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?

10-23-2003, 06:36 PM	#31
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	cthomer brought up a good point that was what I based my opinion that we start with fictional cities on. I'm assuming we're going to leave the original economic options as is, so my San Luis Obispo Burn will really be playing in a pre-established NFL market, not really San Luis Obispo. Like cthomer said, if this is the case, we can easily 'move' a franchise if a new owner takes over. I agree with GrantDawg and cthomer in that I think most of us are more worried about on-the-field performance than the bottom line. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

10-23-2003, 09:09 PM	#32
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Real teams: Pittsburgh, PA Fictional teams: Boulder, CO

10-24-2003, 09:29 AM	#33
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	I guess I'll go with Covington, Ga. The Covington Newts. Who is making the helmets and logos? I can't stand doing that junk.

10-24-2003, 10:06 AM	#35
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	helmet Banner __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

10-24-2003, 10:25 AM	#36
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Conyers, GA. Trying to think of a good team name now. Actually, there is a lady who lives in Conyers who thinks she can see the Virgin Mary. So I thought about naming my team the Conyers Marys, but I may reconsider. For the logo I'd probably use the picture that's in the "Ummmm....Skydog" thread.

10-24-2003, 10:29 AM	#37
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Nice to have 'em ready made. I have no creativity whatsoever. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

10-24-2003, 10:47 AM	#38
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	SD, I'm surprised they don't use the logo on the helmet - it's a really cool logo. As I stated in another thread, I'm available for making helmets, I've already done a load of them for that other league, and a couple for us here. __________________ null

10-24-2003, 11:22 AM	#43
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	__________________ null

10-24-2003, 11:25 AM	#44
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	And the logo.

10-24-2003, 11:51 AM	#48
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	cuervo: Looks great. One small request, if it isn't too much trouble, can the color (in both) be less reddish and more maroonish? Something along the lines of this color: __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'! Last edited by Ben E Lou : 10-24-2003 at 11:52 AM.

10-24-2003, 12:01 PM	#49
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Actually, the more I look at it I think the Oregon Duck helmet with a "C" instead of an "O" would be perfect.

10-24-2003, 12:08 PM	#50
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	GD, Why the Newts? Is it a Monty Python reference, or do you really like those Geico commercials? Yes, I know it isn't a newt in the Geico commercials.

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