FOFCL: The basics #1 Actual or fictional players.

HornedFrog Purple · 10-22-2003, 05:04 PM

GrantDawg suggested we start with the very basics and go from there. The question is:

Do we start with actual players or fictional players?

Please type in your response and vote for one or the other. Thanks!

My vote is for fictional.

Ben E Lou · 10-22-2003, 05:04 PM

Fictional.

albionmoonlight · 10-22-2003, 05:05 PM

Fictional.

Darkiller · 10-22-2003, 05:05 PM

actual

Daimyo · 10-22-2003, 05:05 PM

Fictional

SackAttack · 10-22-2003, 05:12 PM

actual

TroyF · 10-22-2003, 05:17 PM

fictional

Fritz · 10-22-2003, 05:32 PM

fictional*

*I don't mind chipping $2 in for Vegas Vic, but I aint splitting even one real NFL player's salary with anyone.

GrantDawg · 10-22-2003, 05:40 PM

actual

Vince · 10-22-2003, 05:53 PM

Fictional.

Subby · 10-22-2003, 06:02 PM

Fictional.

FBPro · 10-22-2003, 06:09 PM

I can play with either but would rather use real, but ficitional are fine also.

mckerney · 10-22-2003, 06:12 PM

Changing vote to:

Real

Bee · 10-22-2003, 06:14 PM

fictional

Senator · 10-22-2003, 06:25 PM

Always the damn underdog.

Actual.

cuervo72 · 10-22-2003, 07:59 PM

Fictional.

Buccaneer · 10-22-2003, 08:10 PM

Actual

Anthony · 10-22-2003, 09:32 PM

actual

Celeval · 10-22-2003, 09:40 PM

Abstain. I'm good either way.

Vince · 10-23-2003, 02:10 AM

11-7 in favor of Fictional at this point...

Chief Rum · 10-23-2003, 03:06 AM

Fictional (although I am quite fine with either).

cr

Vegas Vic · 10-23-2003, 03:07 AM

"Fictional" appears to be heading for a victory here, and I think that's a good thing. As QuikSand has aptly pointed out in his past dynasties, fictional players come without any pre-conceived notions. It allows for greater game immersion, and with the X-factor you won't be subject to watching players like Charlie Batch winning league MVP honors.

SackAttack · 10-23-2003, 04:11 AM

Let's do a little math here. 53 players per team, 32 teams. That's just shy of 1,700 players in the league, not counting free agents.

Having to wade through 1,700 players before the inaugural season, particularly under a set of circumstances where things are moving along at a set schedule, isn't my definition of 'immersive.'

The word 'tedious' comes to mind, though.

MIJB#19 · 10-23-2003, 06:12 AM

actual

Preferring that only to make the start up easier.

Samdari · 10-23-2003, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SackAttack
Having to wade through 1,700 players before the inaugural season, particularly under a set of circumstances where things are moving along at a set schedule, isn't my definition of 'immersive.'

Actually, I think that would be a very good definition of immersive. If you are not immersed after doing that, when would you be? I would say this errs on the side of too immersive.

Fictional.

Buzzbee · 10-23-2003, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SackAttack
Let's do a little math here. 53 players per team, 32 teams. That's just shy of 1,700 players in the league, not counting free agents.

Having to wade through 1,700 players before the inaugural season, particularly under a set of circumstances where things are moving along at a set schedule, isn't my definition of 'immersive.'

The word 'tedious' comes to mind, though.

I think there is a flaw in your argument. The total number of players drafted does not equal the number of players you would have to "wade" through. As one team owner you are only going to make 53 picks, and most likely we would only be able to manage 10 or so rounds of an actuall draft, if that. So you will most likely only have to evaluate players for 10 or fewer picks. How many players will you actually evaluate for those picks? Who knows? 40? 50? 100? My guess is that early on people would look at the best overall players available and then look at a few specific positions they'd like to target. So to say we'd have to wade through 1700 players is a little overstated.

Also, using actual players might help some, but I would imagine we would use a full X-factor which would make the players a little less familar.

Also, if we use actual players, does that mean you aren't going to look through them anyway?

Buzzbee · 10-23-2003, 07:23 AM

Dola -

I'd probably prefer fictional, but really don't care which is chosen.

KWhit · 10-23-2003, 08:42 AM

Fictional

cthomer5000 · 10-23-2003, 08:55 AM

fictional.

MrIllini · 10-23-2003, 11:25 AM

if we don't use fictional players, I'll quit

QuikSand · 10-23-2003, 11:28 AM

fictional

Bee · 10-23-2003, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrIllini
if we don't use fictional players, I'll quit

Can I change my vote to real?

MrIllini · 10-23-2003, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bee
Can I change my vote to real?

no

Subby · 10-23-2003, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrIllini
no

I am going to have to ask you for some identification, son.

MrIllini · 10-23-2003, 12:12 PM

here's my identification

*finger*

HornedFrog Purple · 10-23-2003, 12:25 PM

Well we have 17 fictional votes, so it looks like fictional is the choice.

Kodos · 10-23-2003, 12:49 PM

I'll jump on the fictional bandwagon, because I like to be on the winning team.

SackAttack · 10-23-2003, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buzzbee
Also, using actual players might help some, but I would imagine we would use a full X-factor which would make the players a little less familar.

Also, if we use actual players, does that mean you aren't going to look through them anyway?

Didn't say that. But if we're using actual players, as you mention, there's already at least some familiarity there. Yes, an X-factor would change things some, but it still puts us ahead of the 8 ball in terms of getting ANY evaluation done.

Buzzbee · 10-23-2003, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SackAttack
Didn't say that. But if we're using actual players, as you mention, there's already at least some familiarity there. Yes, an X-factor would change things some, but it still puts us ahead of the 8 ball in terms of getting ANY evaluation done.

Yes, I'll give you that it does add to the familiarity and probably makes the evaluation a little easier and quicker. I just wanted to point out that it wasn't quite as extreme as you presented. The familiarity just doesn't seem like it will make a huge difference.

Of course it looks like this point is moot now anyway.

Samdari · 10-23-2003, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buzzbee
Of course it looks like this point is moot now anyway.

You made me so happy by not saying mute, as is internet custom

Kodos · 10-23-2003, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Samdari
You made me so happy by not saying mute, as is internet custom

Irregardless, my team will be dominate after they turn things around 360 degrees and go nucular on every one.

Buzzbee · 10-23-2003, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Samdari
You made me so happy by not saying mute, as is internet custom

One of my pet peeves too. The word is moot. Rhymes with boot. Simple enough.

Buzzbee · 10-23-2003, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kodos
Irregardless, my team will be dominate after they turn things around 360 degrees and go nucular on every one.

Supposively the league is voting to ban nuclear weapons at the stadiums. I guess they didn't axe your opinion.

Samdari · 10-24-2003, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buzzbee
Supposively the league is voting to ban nuclear weapons at the stadiums. I guess they didn't axe your opinion.

LOL, I hope you weren't making fun of nuclear, the incorrect pronunciation.

Buzzbee · 10-24-2003, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Samdari
LOL, I hope you weren't making fun of nuclear, the incorrect pronunciation.

Awwww MAAAN!!! I didn't even THINK of Nuculer.

Kodos · 10-24-2003, 01:00 PM

It's nucular, Lisa, NUCUUUUULAR...

Senator · 10-24-2003, 01:01 PM

splunge

Samdari · 10-24-2003, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buzzbee
Awwww MAAAN!!! I didn't even THINK of Nuculer.

Too bad, its a slam dunk there.

10-22-2003, 05:04 PM	#2
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Fictional. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

10-22-2003, 05:05 PM	#4
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	actual __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history.

10-22-2003, 05:32 PM	#8
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	fictional* I don't mind chipping $2 in for Vegas Vic, but I aint splitting even one real NFL player's salary with anyone. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster Last edited by Fritz : 10-22-2003 at 05:34 PM.*

10-22-2003, 05:53 PM	#10
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Fictional. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

10-22-2003, 06:02 PM	#11
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	Fictional. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

10-22-2003, 05:05 PM	#3
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Fictional.

10-22-2003, 05:05 PM	#5
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	Fictional

10-22-2003, 05:12 PM	#6
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	actual

10-22-2003, 05:17 PM	#7
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	fictional

10-22-2003, 05:40 PM	#9
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	actual

10-22-2003, 06:09 PM	#12
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	I can play with either but would rather use real, but ficitional are fine also. __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

10-22-2003, 06:12 PM	#13
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Changing vote to: Real Last edited by mckerney : 10-24-2003 at 12:07 PM.

10-22-2003, 06:14 PM	#14
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	fictional

10-22-2003, 06:25 PM	#15
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	Always the damn underdog. Actual. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

10-22-2003, 07:59 PM	#16
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Fictional. __________________ null

10-22-2003, 08:10 PM	#17
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Actual

10-22-2003, 09:32 PM	#18
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	actual

10-22-2003, 09:40 PM	#19
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	Abstain. I'm good either way.

10-23-2003, 02:10 AM	#20
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	11-7 in favor of Fictional at this point... __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

10-23-2003, 03:06 AM	#21
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Fictional (although I am quite fine with either). cr __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

10-23-2003, 03:07 AM	#22
Vegas Vic Checkraising Tourists Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL	"Fictional" appears to be heading for a victory here, and I think that's a good thing. As QuikSand has aptly pointed out in his past dynasties, fictional players come without any pre-conceived notions. It allows for greater game immersion, and with the X-factor you won't be subject to watching players like Charlie Batch winning league MVP honors.

10-23-2003, 04:11 AM	#23
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Let's do a little math here. 53 players per team, 32 teams. That's just shy of 1,700 players in the league, not counting free agents. Having to wade through 1,700 players before the inaugural season, particularly under a set of circumstances where things are moving along at a set schedule, isn't my definition of 'immersive.' The word 'tedious' comes to mind, though.

10-23-2003, 06:12 AM	#24
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	actual Preferring that only to make the start up easier.

10-23-2003, 07:23 AM	#27
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	Dola - I'd probably prefer fictional, but really don't care which is chosen. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

10-23-2003, 08:42 AM	#28
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Fictional

10-23-2003, 11:25 AM	#30
MrIllini High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where you live	if we don't use fictional players, I'll quit __________________ if i said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?

10-23-2003, 11:28 AM	#31
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	fictional

10-23-2003, 12:12 PM	#35
MrIllini High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where you live	here's my identification finger __________________ if i said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?

10-23-2003, 12:25 PM	#36
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Well we have 17 fictional votes, so it looks like fictional is the choice. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

10-23-2003, 12:49 PM	#37
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I'll jump on the fictional bandwagon, because I like to be on the winning team.

10-24-2003, 01:00 PM	#46
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	It's nucular, Lisa, NUCUUUUULAR...

10-24-2003, 01:01 PM	#47
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	splunge __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

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