CHPP developpers

[Alf]

I have seen Mr Wednesday post on the CHPP conferences. Are there any FOFCers CHPP approved ?

Oh, and yes, I've just been CHPP approved this morning

[MacroGuru]

I am, as I am presently working on a Flash Based Matchviewer that takes the game beyond the bounds of text based match reports.

Think along the lines of Virtual Stadium for FbPro.

[Alf]

Is there a list somewhere of XML files availables ?

I plan on doing a Stats site along the lines of HatStats based on match ratings.

For now I have submitted 2 functions (not approved yet)
- series strength (like HatStats)
- teams rankings (ala Frogman !)

[FrogMan]

TredWel submitted his app (for my rankings) in the offseason but he was rejected in part because they judged that they wouldn't serve a big enough group of people. While we have 120 or so teams ranked, they thought it was still an "isolated" group, thus not big enough.

They also mentionned that for a rankings kind of program/site to be approved, it had to serve an entire country, or that kind of size...

If anybody get something approved that could be used, let me know, I could beta test it with you...

FM

[Alf]

FrogMan, I saw that someone is doing something similar to wbonnell suggestion in the CHPP conference. And apparently it was for LOTA members and may be used by other groups of user => gotta check that tomorrow. I am off now

[Alf]

Read today in the CHPP conferences

By: Mr_Wednesday <= you know, the guy from FOFC
To: HT-Bjorn 663216.4 as reply to 663216.3
11/20/2003 at 18:24
OK, the idea is to put together ratings for a group of teams (450 to 500 is the size of LOTA, which wanted to automate their rankings). I would expect LOTA to be the upper limit on size -- the other similar rankings that I know are around 130 teams and under 35 teams.

For LOTA, this used to be done by hand -- a subset of the teams were assigned to each individual, and they would go through by hand and pull out the information they needed. I know of another ranking of 130-ish teams where at least half of them are still obtained by crawling through.

This should only be done once or twice a week.

Also, any matches that haven't already been downloaded, I'm looking at downloading matchDetails.asp to extract the team ratings.

In all cases, any file which isn't expected to change (i.e. everything but matches.asp) gets cached locally so that it's only downloaded once.

The current logic for an update to a team goes like this:
Get matches.asp
For each match:
-- If the match hasn't been played yet, advance to the next team.
-- Process match information in matches.asp XML
-- Get matchDetails.asp for the match (if it's not already stored locally)
-- Process match information in matchDetails.asp HTML
(advance to next match)


Since this is aimed at competition games, if using matches.asp is a problem for you, I could probably use leagueFixtures.asp instead.


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I don't know what LOTA is , but that appears to be a group of hattrick users, much like us. And the 130 reference makes me think of FOFC

[MacroGuru]

Originally posted by Alf
Is there a list somewhere of XML files availables ?

I plan on doing a Stats site along the lines of HatStats based on match ratings.

For now I have submitted 2 functions (not approved yet)
- series strength (like HatStats)
- teams rankings (ala Frogman !)

On the pages you want to "scrape" the data from, there should be a link called chpp up top, and it will tell you how to use that data.

I know they have it in the league screen, and it is also on some of the match screens as well.

[Coffee Warlord]

Heh, no, I went the other route. I've applied for the position of Mod-CoffeeWarlord.

[FrogMan]

Originally posted by Coffee Warlord
Heh, no, I went the other route. I've applied for the position of Mod-CoffeeWarlord.

Did you really? If so, good luck!

FM

[Coffee Warlord]

Yeah, I doubt they'll pick me, since my face isn't well known on the forums over there, but hey. It's a job I don't mind doing.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally posted by FrogMan
If anybody get something approved that could be used, let me know, I could beta test it with you...

Per my PM, if I can get my app cleaned up a little bit (probably take a week after Thanksgiving) and if you want to send me a copy of the spreadsheet you use, I should be able to put something together for you.

I've got the data transfer parts in good shape (although I don't have it set to download league standings right now), so the other next step is getting LOTA rankings back off the ground.

And, of course, I ultimately need to get this application into fit enough shape to publish it, since I presume that was the whole reason it got accepted (it would be worthwhile for anyone wanting to do a localized ranking like FOFC, LOTA, or USCHO).

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally posted by Alf
Is there a list somewhere of XML files availables ?

Not that I know of, just the CHPP link on pages that you need to scan.

I plan on doing a Stats site along the lines of HatStats based on match ratings.

For now I have submitted 2 functions (not approved yet)
- series strength (like HatStats)
- teams rankings (ala Frogman !)

If that's what you're looking at, you'll almost certainly need the match listing, the match lineup, and the match details (which is still HTML, incidentally). Possibly also leage details, league fixtures, and team details. Aside from match details, it's all XML-ized.

As far as I know, the big holes XML-wise for a ratings tool are the match archive (I needed to add a hand-entry of match ids to pull older matches so that I had three weeks of data around the turn of the season) and of course the match details. Other stuff like the transfer history isn't of any use to me, although the manager assistants would obviously like to have it.

[FrogMan]

Originally posted by Mr. Wednesday
Per my PM, if I can get my app cleaned up a little bit (probably take a week after Thanksgiving) and if you want to send me a copy of the spreadsheet you use, I should be able to put something together for you.

I've got the data transfer parts in good shape (although I don't have it set to download league standings right now), so the other next step is getting LOTA rankings back off the ground.

And, of course, I ultimately need to get this application into fit enough shape to publish it, since I presume that was the whole reason it got accepted (it would be worthwhile for anyone wanting to do a localized ranking like FOFC, LOTA, or USCHO).

I read your PM, forgot to reply to it yesterday night. PM me an email adress where I can email you the spreadsheet.

So, I take it you have been approved, right? If so, neat!

Let me know if I can help in any way, like if you need more explanation about the formula or stuff like that...

FM

[Alf]

Originally posted by Mr. Wednesday
Not that I know of, just the CHPP link on pages that you need to scan.

If that's what you're looking at, you'll almost certainly need the match listing, the match lineup, and the match details (which is still HTML, incidentally). Possibly also leage details, league fixtures, and team details. Aside from match details, it's all XML-ized.

As far as I know, the big holes XML-wise for a ratings tool are the match archive (I needed to add a hand-entry of match ids to pull older matches so that I had three weeks of data around the turn of the season) and of course the match details. Other stuff like the transfer history isn't of any use to me, although the manager assistants would obviously like to have it.

Thanks Mr Wednesday. HT-Trapper said he wouldn't approve any function until matchdetails page is XTML-ized.

For now, I need to plan the design of my SQL database on how to store these infos.