How often do you see this? (re: contracts)

[mtaystl03]

How often do you see this. Manning signs for WAY less to leave Indy to go to Carolina? What's this?



Just wondering how often this happens.

[cthomer5000]

edit: completely misread that.

[FBPro]

Is it not possible for the "higher" offers to be on the table yet the player "isn't ready to sign" yet and as the other teams sign other players the $$ for the higher offers is eaten up and when the time comes that the player is ready to sign the "lower" offer is the best one available?

[jetpunk2000]

What do his personal attributes look like? (ie. play for winner, loyalty, etc) Maybe Carolina gave him the best shot at winning. I'm surprised he turned down the Saints though. He ended up signing there in my game.

[austinm56]

Is it not possible for the "higher" offers to be on the table yet the player "isn't ready to sign" yet and as the other teams sign other players the $$ for the higher offers is eaten up and when the time comes that the player is ready to sign the "lower" offer is the best one available?

That happens sometimes, BUT i also have experienced this. While winning the Super Bowl, I lost a bid on Kearse, I was Buffalo and he took way less money to sign with Houston (I had more than enough cap space)

[kcchief19]

A number of factors can be at play that we don't know about. Some of the attributes listed above can play a role, but the one X-factor is the contract itself.

The lower-priced deal may seem like a bad deal, but perhaps it included more bonus money and first-year salary. If the other teams offered less bonus money and more of the money was in later years of the contract, the player will gravitate toward the other deal. I have found thus far that bonus money and first-year money are more important than than in previous FOF versions.

[MizzouRah]

Yeah, but he left 18mil on the table?



Todd

[mtaystl03]

Both teams were 8-8 and his "wants winner" is average (58).
It may just be his loyalty (low-27) but why wouldnt he take a higher offer from a different team (other than Indy)?

Wierd. I dont think that a signing bonus or more money in a first year would give him a reason to drop $18 mil.

[Hawglaw]

I think the game has some "cheats" in getting around the cap for some teams. Why do I think this?

Duece McAllister spurned me (STL) and many other teams to sign with Carolina for (gulp) $600,000 a year. Why?

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by mtaystl03
Wierd. I dont think that a signing bonus or more money in a first year would give him a reason to drop $18 mil.

I don't claim to knwow what happened in the case you're talking about - but in the real NFL multi-year deals aren't worth the paper they are printed on in many cases. We have to understand this, it's an obvious outcome from non-guaranteed salaries.

If the offer from one team has huge salaries in its final two or three years, and a much lower signing bonus than that of another team's offer -- then it probably makes a LOT of sense to "drop $18mil" (or money that he'd never see) in order to gain something like $5m more up front.

Football contracts are not guaranteed. It's really that simple.

[EagleFan]

QS beat me to it. I was going to ask how big the signing bonus was. With non-guaranteed money, there could be a big reason to take a smaller contract with a larger signing bonus. I'llhave to watch this a little closer to see if it's something that happens a lot. Also, look at the average salary, it's not that much different, with him signing for 6 years instead of 7 that was offered with the larger contract.

[Samdari]

The total contract dollars can be deceiving. That $18 million could have all been backloaded. How much was "likely to be received money - i.e. bonus plus first year or two? In my experience, the players tend to value bonus plus first year WAY above total contract dollars or per year averages.

[korme]

Hey, don't you all say the same thing or anything now..

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Anyone heard of Paul Kariya spurning the Ducks and 9 million to play in Colorada for chump change. When stuff like this happens, I just imagine something like this happened. Maybe Peyton's wife is from Carolina. Frankly, I am glad this stuff happens, otherwise the game would be so predictable.

I am tired of those focusing on isolated incidents like this, or gameplay decisions. As I said in another thread, the time management/blown refs call in the Hawks/Ravens and Giants/Bucs games from last week would have been seriously derided as game bugs if they had occurred in FOF. In general, the game is miles beyond anthing else out there (at least until .400 studios football game comes out and we check that out)

[Archer219]

Hometown playing a factor?

Carolina is significantly closer to New Orleans (Peyton's place of birth) than all the others except for New Orleans which offered him 30 million less over 1 less year.