FSU / FLA

[korme]

What a game.

[mtaystl03]

What a game.

[Comey]

This is ridiculous. Final play coming up.

[korme]

Leak nice run but about.... 20 yards short.

FIIIIGHTTT!

[Suicane75]

And now it gets stupid

[Balldog]

Way to ruin a great game with a fight. There was some questionable officiating as well.

[Philliesfan980]

I guess everyone's an asshole at Flordia State. I thought it was only limited to Chris Rixx.

That just shows no class jumping around on Flordia's Symbol at midfield (I hardly doubt it was an accident).

Well Bowden, time to recruit and pay some more jackasses.

[FBPro]

Go Dawgs!! Go 'Noles.

[Noop]

Originally posted by Philliesfan980
I guess everyone's an asshole at Flordia State. I thought it was only limited to Chris Rixx.

That just shows no class jumping around on Flordia's Symbol at midfield (I hardly doubt it was an accident).

Well Bowden, time to recruit and pay some more jackasses.

Dont get mad. Unless your a gator fan.

[Philliesfan980]

Originally posted by Noop
Dont get mad. Unless your a gator fan.

Nah, not a Gator fan in the least. Normally I follow Big 10 football more than the "shootout" crap of the SEC, but thats not really the point.

The point is, have some respect for your opponents home field. Win with some class.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally posted by Noop
Dont get mad. Unless your a gator fan.

You call jumping on the logo class? That is asking for a fight. I am impartial to either team, before you ask. Someone desevred to get their ass kicked for that. I hope suspensions are handed out on both sides. But they will not be.

[Philliesfan980]

Noop,

Did you see the guy carrying off the "Gator Head"? If so, does he even play?

[BishopMVP]

Bad officiating that was made bigger because there were so many big borderline plays. I'm pissed because this probably means USC needs to lose for LSU to make it now. If Troupe had caught that pass it would probably have gone to OT.

[TroyF]

not questionable officiating, horrible officiating. Bad calls usually even out. When you have about 10 in one game and 9 go for one team, it just gets silly.

The stomping on the logo after the game is pathetic. No, worse than pathetic. Classless and idiotic would be two of the words I'd use.

There isn't any reason for it. You won the game and now you have to show how big of a dickhead you can be? Typical. It's what I've come to expect out of ALL of the Florida teams. Great, legendary type games with a ton of classless/useless behavior thrown in just in case I ever decided to become a real fan of one of them.

I'll continue to admire their talent and watch the tremendous football games they play, but will continue to stay impartial in giving a damn about who wins.

TroyF

[IMetTrentGreen]

florida won the game tonight. the officials decided to give it to fsu, though. this has to be fixed. no way will i believe officials could be THIS bad

[cincyreds]

Well the fumble that allowed FSU to score and tie the game at 24 was totally a bad call.

The guy was down before the ball came out.

The game did look a little one-sided for sure tonight.

I wonder how much Bobby put in the checking accounts?

[Noop]

Troy didnt Colorado stomp on FSU's midfield sign? The refs were bad and Florida State got alot of breaks this game. I been watching Seminole football for along time and this is the first time I've ever seen the refs be on Florida State's side. Also if you saw the replay Darnell Dockett was hit first by a gator player. I'm not saying stomping on their sign is right or anything cause it wasnt but try not to be so one sided on the fight issue.

[Noop]

Originally posted by Philliesfan980
Noop,

Did you see the guy carrying off the "Gator Head"? If so, does he even play?

His name is David Castillo starting Center.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally posted by Noop
Troy didnt Colorado stomp on FSU's midfield sign? The refs were bad and Florida State got alot of breaks this game. I been watching Seminole football for along time and this is the first time I've ever seen the refs be on Florida State's side. Also if you saw the replay Darnell Dockett was hit first by a gator player. I'm not saying stomping on their sign is right or anything cause it wasnt but try not to be so one sided on the fight issue.

I agree with you 100% Noop. Both teams showed poor class. The police had to use pepper spray to break the fight up, according to ESPN.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Class is overrated. I feel a distanced amusement from the whole incident. I don't want to see anybody get hurt, but I want to see more dancing on logos.

[tucker342]

you know, this is another perfect example of why we need instant replay in the NCAA. That was an awesome addition to the NFL, it would be just as good at the college level.

[mckerney]

Didn't see whole game, but the officiating was so bad at times you would have thought Randy Moss was playing for the Gators.

That said, glad FSU won so Georgia should be able to make it to the SEC championship game. Ah, what a team can do when Glen Mason decides not to coach for them.

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by mckerney
Didn't see whole game, but the officiating was so bad at times you would have thought Randy Moss was playing for the Gators.

That said, glad FSU won so Georgia should be able to make it to the SEC championship game. Ah, what a team can do when Glen Mason decides not to coach for them.

That is hilarious. It makes me want to send Glen Mason a thank you card (of course, his indecision sent us the Donnan years, but it all works out in the end).

And I thought those refs did exactly what Georgia paid them for.

[HornedFrog Purple]

LSU should file a lawsuit.

[JW]

Perhaps some of you don't know, but stomping on opposing team's logos is the latest 'in' thing among the trashier college football teams. Two seasons ago Auburn (one of the trashiest of college teams) was penalized BEFORE THE OPENING KICKOFF for unsportsmanlike conduct for running to midfield at the end of their warmups and jumping up and down on the 'eye of the tiger' LSU logo. LSU, kicking off, used the 15-yd penalty to kick onsides, got the ball, and took it downfield to score en route to a big win in Tiger stadium. After the game, LSU fans lit cigars and smoked them in the faces of Auburn fans in response to Auburn players lighting victory cigars on the field at LSU and posing for trashy looking photos two years before that game after beating LSU. So logo stomping is something the more trashy football players think is cool. And some coaches, like Tubberville of Auburn, encourage trash like that.

[ice4277]

Originally posted by JW
Perhaps some of you don't know, but stomping on opposing team's logos is the latest 'in' thing among the trashier college football teams. Two seasons ago Auburn (one of the trashiest of college teams) was penalized BEFORE THE OPENING KICKOFF for unsportsmanlike conduct for running to midfield at the end of their warmups and jumping up and down on the 'eye of the tiger' LSU logo. LSU, kicking off, used the 15-yd penalty to kick onsides, got the ball, and took it downfield to score en route to a big win in Tiger stadium. After the game, LSU fans lit cigars and smoked them in the faces of Auburn fans in response to Auburn players lighting victory cigars on the field at LSU and posing for trashy looking photos two years before that game after beating LSU. So logo stomping is something the more trashy football players think is cool. And some coaches, like Tubberville of Auburn, encourage trash like that.

So should we substitute 'trashier college schools' for 'the Southeastern Conference', because that is where it seems to usually happen.

[JW]

Originally posted by ice4277
So should we substitute 'trashier college schools' for 'the Southeastern Conference', because that is where it seems to usually happen.

Wrong. The SEC has its Auburn, but Florida State is not SEC. One would think the ACC would be truly embarrassed. Its refs gave the game to FSU through a pattern of calls on close plays all favoring FSU, and then the FSU team immediately did one of the most classless things it could do upon winning.

[Noop]

Originally posted by JW
Wrong. The SEC has its Auburn, but Florida State is not SEC. One would think the ACC would be truly embarrassed. Its refs gave the game to FSU through a pattern of calls on close plays all favoring FSU, and then the FSU team immediately did one of the most classless things it could do upon winning.

Seriously there were two questionable calls that went Florida States way. They were stupid for jumping of the F on Florida's turf but Florida started the fight. Instead of making only Florida State look stupid they looked just as stupid for fighting. Are you mad that Florida State beat Florida... so now you guys have to play the Bulldogs who are likely going to beat yall.

[JW]

Originally posted by Noop
Seriously there were two questionable calls that went Florida States way. They were stupid for jumping of the F on Florida's turf but Florida started the fight. Instead of making only Florida State look stupid they looked just as stupid for fighting. Are you mad that Florida State beat Florida... so now you guys have to play the Bulldogs who are likely going to beat yall.

I'll just say this and close. You and ice can have the last word. I really don't like getting into lengthy forum snits. First, if you watched the game, there were more than two calls that went FSU's way. Even the network announcers were commenting on the pattern of calls against Florida. And although Florida players should not have retaliated, FSU players knew exactly what was going to happen when they danced on the Florida logo. They started it, not Florida. If a guy craps on your front yard, and you push him off your property, who would you say 'started it'?

As for playing Georgia instead of Florida, I'm not mad. Some LSU fans are. Florida definitely didn't look like the best rep from the SEC East in the closing minutes of that game, playing prevent defense with their backs turned to the QB. That was a terrible display of defense at the end. I believe Ga. is the best team in the East.

But the problem with playing Georgia has to do with the arcane nature of the BCS system, not how good Ga. is. You can read other threads here to figure it out, but if LSU beats Georgia, it appears it will lose BCS points because it will likely knock Ga. out of the top ten. In fact, some analysts say it will be better for LSU to barely beat Ga. than to beat them solidly, because Ga. will be more likely to remain in the top ten that way. Now you tell me if that makes sense. Most analysts said LSU's best chance to gain the most ground on USC would be to play Florida. So LSU's preferred opponent has everything to do with BCS points and nothing else.

However, I'm of the opinion that if LSU can beat Georgia in Atlanta, that it will still have a positive effect, more than many people figure. Georgia is indeed a great team. LSU will indeed have a hard time winning that game. But LSU will play Georgia in the SECCG at just about the time USC's game ends. People across the country will be able to compare LSU and USC, even if USC is playing a weaker opponent. If LSU can beat a great Georgia team -- and I hope Georgia plays at its best for that reason -- I think it may help LSU leapfrog over USC, assuming USC wins its game. Is Georgia likely to beat us? Yes. But if LSU wants to play Oklahoma, then it has to beat teams like Georgia. And if they do, people will remember that LSU beat three nationally ranked teams in three weeks, with two of those games on the road.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I wonder what next action will have the old fogies screaming "classless." Any guesses?

[ice4277]

Originally posted by Pumpy Tudors
I wonder what next action will have the old fogies screaming "classless." Any guesses?

steroid sponsorships

[Suicane75]

I got one for ya, Im noticing more and more how guys in the NFL have these damn annoying coordinated dances for such splendid plays as 3 yard runs for 1st down, and such game breaking plays as making a tackle.....on 1st and 10......from the 20.......on the first play of the game......after a 4 yard gain.
I mean seriously, guys are pointing to god, guys are crawling on all fours, guys are pointing on 1st down. It really is becoming inane.

[Bee]

I don't really have much to say about the jumping on the logo (I don't like it, but I understand kids will do those type of things). The calls though were horrid. This was one of the most one-sided calling of a game I remember in recent history (and no, I'm not a Florida fan).

[Samdari]

Originally posted by tucker342
you know, this is another perfect example of why we need instant replay in the NCAA. That was an awesome addition to the NFL, it would be just as good at the college level.

Do you watch much NFL? You really think it's an awesome addition?

Replay is terrible. They do not follow their own rules, especially for only overturning plays when it is a certainty that a mistake was made on the field. When the booth announcers are arguing over a call, it should not be overturned. And there have been many cases on replay where I have seen something clearly happen and the ref sees it another way. Replay was not intended to fix plays that could be seen two ways. In other words, the refs seem as likely to get calls wrong on replay than live.

In addition, it has made the officials tentative. They never run in and make decisive calls anymore, which drives me nuts. Whether they figure they'll just let replay decide it, or they are afraid of having a call overturned, but replay has made them afraid to make decisions. Basically, NFL replay will probably overturn 4 or 5 plays this year that were both eggregiously wrong and game changing. All they had to sacrifice for that was the other 99% of plays being well officiated.

[Ksyrup]

A couple of comments from an obviously biased "observer" of the game...

1. That was one of the best football games I've seen in a decade, pro or college, bad officiating or not. Simply an incredible game, and I would have felt that way even if Rix had just been Rix at the end. Even Florida fans feel that way, although the bad calls are an obvious sore point.

2. The officiating was awful. Right after FSU got the defensive TD to tie the game, I knew that this game would be ruined (somewhat) by the officiating - either Florida wins and claims it would have been a blowout without the bad calls, or FSU wins and wouldn't have won without the bad calls.

As I recall, there were 2 patently bad calls - the opening kickoff that was a fumble but not called and the Florida fumble that was not a fumble and returned for a TD. The rest was overblown because of the circumstances and previous bad calls. The second kickoff fumble that was returned for a TD was not a "blown call" - it was a penalty that was called the moment the guy kicked off. I even saw the flag thrown as they kicked off. Unfortunate for UF, of course - but without the first blown fumble call, that was nothing more than a "what could have been" play, similar to Michigan losing that 85 yard TD pass on a holding call.

There were at least 2 plays where the FSU player was obviously stopped and the play dead, but UF kept trying to strip the ball and did, and then threw a fit because of the previous bad calls. Again, in a regular situation, those are non-issues. If anything, it was bad officiating because they failed to timely blow the play dead. The final questionable call was the fumble at the end zone, and I couldn't tell who landed on the ball. Yesterday, during one of the NFL games, someone fumbled and the opposing team clearly fell on the ball, and it still was given back to the original team (I saw so many games yesterday, I can't remember which one this occurred in). The FSU fumble recovery was much less obvious than that one. If he had any sort of control of it, for even a brief second, it's a dead ball and the play is over. No amount of fighting for it under the pile changes that fact. He had a knee on it and could have had a hand as well, and that's enough. I saw it a few times and couldn't tell. As bad as the officiating was, I gave them the benefit of the doubt on that one.

Still, it's unfortunate that the officiating marred an otherwise amazing game. I know UF fans think they got ripped off, but as one of FSU's guys said - after all of the questionable calls, they had the lead with 2 minutes to go. They lost the lead. No bad calls were made in the final 2 minutes. And it's absolutely wrong to lump in the overblown after-the-play-was-dead "fumbles" and the TD called back on a legit penalty as one of the "5 or 6" bad calls. I'll give you 2-3 awful calls that probably changed the way the game would have ended, but that's not either team's fault. I can tell you first-hand that FSU gets routinely jobbed by ACC officials, like they're protecting 12 year olds playing football against 18 year olds or something. I don't see the conspiracy.

3. As for the stomping, this occurs before and after nearly every game. Teams come into Tallahassee and stomp on midfield before nearly every game - including Colorado, as I recall. I've seen skirmishes between teams before the game when the home team anticipates what the visiting team is going to do and gets in their way to "protect" midfield. It's stupid, it's inflammatory, it reminds me of pro basketball, but it happens. The way the game ended, coupled with the bad officiating, obviously led to what occurred after the game. Just because this was a high profile game doesn't make it any less classy. If you think this is limited to Florida teams, you're sadly mistaken.

4. Scoreboard. (sorry, that was for my UF grad brother)

[TroyF]

Colorado did it and was chastised by Barnett bigtime. I was disgusted by it. It was the first time I'd seen Colorado act like that and I pray it'll be the last. The only other time I can remember a pregame fiasco with CU was a pre game fight with Miami in Boulder 10 years ago or so. Horrible.

The fumble in the pro game that was recovered by the home team and given to the other side was the Denver/Oakland game. The officiating was HORRIBLE in that game in favor of the Broncos. It'd be easy for me to say after all of the blown calls against Denver this year that it made me feel any better about it, but that'd be a lie. I was disgusted and actually felt bad for the Raiders. There were 5 or 6 calls in that game where Denver was gifted calls.

The thing about the fumble on the goal line in the FSU/Florida game is that there was no conclusive evidence that the FSU player recovered the ball. His KNEE fell on the fall, but that is not considered recovering it, it's who has their hands on it. I think the officials rushed to judgement because he thought he saw the FSU players chest and arms fall on the ball. I think it is fairly likely that Florida were the ones who recovered that fumble.

I think the officials in all sports need to start being held more acocuntable for their actions. An 18 year old kid has to get in front of a microphone and explain why he dropped what could have been the game winning TD pass yet the 45 year old lawyer/official doesn't have to answer for the fact he blew MULTIPLE calls in a big game. I've never understood that.

TroyF

[HornedFrog Purple]

Was this a split crew? A crew from a different conference? Anyone remember?

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Noop
I been watching Seminole football for along time and this is the first time I've ever seen the refs be on Florida State's side.

I just choked on my lunch after reading this. I guess every single program in the country thinks the refs are against them, true or not. Noop, the 'noles have had the refs in favor of them much more than they have been against them.

SI

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by TroyF
I think the officials rushed to judgement because he thought he saw the FSU players chest and arms fall on the ball. I think it is fairly likely that Florida were the ones who recovered that fumble.

But that's why I am giving the officials the benefit of the doubt on this one. If it's what he thought he saw - isn't that how he has to make his decision, right or wrong? In this case, he was probably wrong, I just didn't see what happened, I only saw who came out of the scrum with it.

In fact, the UF fumble that shouldn't have been a fumble was a similar situation. I thought it was a horrible call when I first saw it, but if you watch the replay, someone actually knocked the ball as he going down. The thing is, he held onto it - somehow - in the crook of his elbow. I think the ref saw that the ball got hit, couldn't see what happened in the pile, then saw the ball come out, and assumed he must have fumbled on the first hit when he saw the ball move. That's not what happened, but I can see how someone could think that's what happened. It was still a bad call, but only because we could clearly see what in fact occurred. On the goal line play, we couldn't.

The officiating crew was ACC. In the FSU/UF series, the officiating crews rotate - the visiting team's conference supplies the crew.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by sterlingice
I just choked on my lunch after reading this. I guess every single program in the country thinks the refs are against them, true or not. Noop, the 'noles have had the refs in favor of them much more than they have been against them.

SI

I think his comment comes from the same thought that I have - in the ACC, FSU is treated as if they've got an unfair advantage, and calls are made accordingly. Having seen nearly every FSU game since 1993, I think the majority of questionable calls have gone against FSU, since the majority of their games are in the ACC. that might not ordinarily be the case in a non-conference game - but then, neither is the kind of calls FSU saw in their favor in this game.

[Noop]

Originally posted by sterlingice
I just choked on my lunch after reading this. I guess every single program in the country thinks the refs are against them, true or not. Noop, the 'noles have had the refs in favor of them much more than they have been against them.

SI

Do you watch Florida State football? I stand by my statement that was the first time I have ever seen the refs on Florida States side. I dont care if they are ACC, SEC, Big-10 or not... thats a first and it came against the much disliked Gators. Like Ksyrup that was the best game I've seen in a long time no one can match the speed and talent of the Florida teams no one.

Go Noles!!!!!



noop

[Noop]

Twas the night of the big game, and all through the Swamp,
The Gators all thought they were going to romp.

They jumped off the line with a quick three points,
I saw Clint Mitchell in the parking lot, sniffing glue and selling joints.

Rix brought the Noles back with a TD lob,
to the 6 foot 1 Junior, Number 21, D-Rob.

X-Man and Leach traded three point kicks,
Then play action pass, Matt Henshaw for six!

We're whipping the gates, like we all know we should,
17-6 at the half, Bobby's boys looking good.

The third quarter starts and the Noles drop a sure pick,
and Chris Leak and the lizards tie things, real quick.

Rix rolls to the right, and DAMMIT! A fumble!
There goes Keiwan, a 77 yard rumble.

We're up and we're down, like a damn teeter-totter,
Hey! Look! Nice mullet on that gater fans daughter!

Chris puts us ahead with a quarterback sneak,
Then Troupe hauls in a beauty from QB Chris Leak.

Things look bad in Hogtown, the Noles are all done,
the gates lead it late, Thirty Four-Thirty One.

The something happened that would make Noles fans scream,
Chris Rix to D-Robinson on Fourth and Fourteen!

One thing left to do, Rix rolls right and KABLAM!
A 52 yard strike to PK "Party Killer" SAM!!

X-Man converts and we lead by four,
Now we call on the Defense to please bar the door!

On Darnell! On Kevin! On Augustin and Pope!
On Boulware, Samuels and Rufus, we never lost hope!

38-34, Final! Then a postgame fight…
Only the Gators could lose twice in one night.

GO NOLES!!!
This poem is intellectual property of Nolezfan (TM) and may not be copied, reproduced or used in any manner, in part or whole, without the express written consent of Nolezfan (TM)...LOL

[NOISE]

From my own observations, I saw the entire ABC broadcast and the Sunshine Network replay (seen regionally) twice. The only definite blown call was the opening kickoff. With regards to the other questionable calls:

Via Sunshine Ntwk Replay: the 4th quarter fumble at the goal-line by FSU's runner was first recovered by Crowder (FL's LB), but then Washington (FSU's RB) then was clearly able to re-claim it with both hands under the pile. When the Ref came in he saw, Washington with it and made the call. That's when Crowder rolled over and was able to make a final grab and that's how he came out of the pile with the ball, but the Ref had already made his call.

As for the fumble-return for a TD by FSU, ABC's final view of the replay definitely showed the ball was jarred loose before he landed. On the Sunshine Ntwk replay, this view wasn't available and the analyst (Gator alum) made a fit about it to the play-by-play guy and the other co-analyst (FSU alum).

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by NOISE
As for the fumble-return for a TD by FSU, ABC's final view of the replay definitely showed the ball was jarred loose before he landed. On the Sunshine Ntwk replay, this view wasn't available and the analyst (Gator alum) made a fit about it to the play-by-play guy and the other co-analyst (FSU alum).

Not quite. The replay showed that the ball was jarred, but it was not jarred loose. It somehow stuck in the crook of his elbow. However, given that hit and the fact that the ball came out 2 seconds later, I can see why the ref thought it was a fumble. It wasn't, though. He had the ball until he hit the ground.

I'll take it, though...

[Butter]

Bobby Bowden's senior moment of the year:

FSU DE Darnell Dockett is ejected in the 2nd quarter of the Clemson-FSU game. At halftime, Bowden is interviewed by the ESPN sideline reporter, who asks him how the ejection will effect his team.

"He got ejected? I didn't know that," returns the elder Bowden.

[Noop]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
Bobby Bowden's senior moment of the year:

FSU DE Darnell Dockett is ejected in the 2nd quarter of the Clemson-FSU game. At halftime, Bowden is interviewed by the ESPN sideline reporter, who asks him how the ejection will effect his team.

"He got ejected? I didn't know that," returns the elder Bowden.

Go Blue!?



noop

[mckerney]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
Bobby Bowden's senior moment of the year:

FSU DE Darnell Dockett is ejected in the 2nd quarter of the Clemson-FSU game. At halftime, Bowden is interviewed by the ESPN sideline reporter, who asks him how the ejection will effect his team.

"He got ejected? I didn't know that," returns the elder Bowden.

Maybe Bowden should retire and FSU should hire Glen Mason.

Please? Somebody...

[Butter]

Originally posted by mckerney
Maybe Bowden should retire and FSU should hire Glen Mason.

Please? Somebody...

Hey, man, you guys almost had OSU snookered into taking this guy. I'd be surprised to see someone else fall for it.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Noop
Do you watch Florida State football? I stand by my statement that was the first time I have ever seen the refs on Florida States side. I dont care if they are ACC, SEC, Big-10 or not... thats a first and it came against the much disliked Gators. Like Ksyrup that was the best game I've seen in a long time no one can match the speed and talent of the Florida teams no one.

Go Noles!!!!!



noop

No, I don't watch Florida State football on a weekly basis. But I've seen quite a few games that are nationally broadcast and 9 times out of 10, they are getting the healthy side of the calls, particularly in those games against the ACC "Upstart Team of the Year" (you know, the one who has a fluff non-conference schedule and then beats out all the other ACC teams with fluff schedules). Go ask someone from Maryland or NC State who gets the calls in the Florida St games with them.

To say nothing of the games against weak opponents. I watched year after year of games where a Nebraska or K-State comes in and drills KU and a lot of the times, the calls go against us because the ref figures that this game is already predetermined so they kindof take their B game and that means deferring most calls to the favored team. And I'm not saying that we'd win an otherwise 55-3 game if we had fair officiating- we'd still get killed by the evil corn people or purple power pussies but those games are, for the most part, unfairly called.

SI

[Noop]

Originally posted by sterlingice
No, I don't watch Florida State football on a weekly basis. But I've seen quite a few games that are nationally broadcast and 9 times out of 10, they are getting the healthy side of the calls, particularly in those games against the ACC "Upstart Team of the Year" (you know, the one who has a fluff non-conference schedule and then beats out all the other ACC teams with fluff schedules). Go ask someone from Maryland or NC State who gets the calls in the Florida St games with them.

To say nothing of the games against weak opponents. I watched year after year of games where a Nebraska or K-State comes in and drills KU and a lot of the times, the calls go against us because the ref figures that this game is already predetermined so they kindof take their B game and that means deferring most calls to the favored team. And I'm not saying that we'd win an otherwise 55-3 game if we had fair officiating- we'd still get killed by the evil corn people or purple power pussies but those games are, for the most part, unfairly called.

SI

Buddy are you serious? I'm 100% before the Florida game the seminoles would always be on the short end of the stick. Clemson game had so many bullshit calls I cant stand to think about that game. Maryland and NC State I remember as being a well called game by the ACC's standards. If you can offer up some proof then I might concede to your infinite wisdom of Florida State.




noop