FOF2004: WR not involved enough...

Darkiller · 12-03-2003, 09:50 AM

What the f...!
3rd year into my career and basically every single game, my top two receivers happen to be the TE and the FB !

they are my top receiving performers in both
- passes attempted to
- catches made

How come that is possible ? I know I'm playing a West Coast Style offense but common ! EVERY GAME !
my TE and my FB always end up with more receptions -and more passes thrown at ! that's a shame!- than my Wide Receivers !

Have you seen that happen on your careers or is my own gameplan totally f..... up ?!
I can't believe that with Terrell Owens and Taylor Jacobs (both almost maxed out) and 3rd receiver Kevin Johnson ..my QB (67 current/80 future) keeps on targetting the FB and the TE...

QuikSand · 12-03-2003, 09:55 AM

Check yourkey players' ratings for "route running." If your receivers have pretty low ratings there, that may well be the root cause. I believe this is the rating that primarily determines how often a player will be a target for a pass.

Turd Ferguson · 12-03-2003, 09:58 AM

I've also seen this happen in my dynasty, for the last 6 years my top receiver has been either my FB or my TE. I've never had a receiver with more then 80 catches, yet my FB has had four consecutive seasons of 70+ receptions.

Ben E Lou · 12-03-2003, 10:03 AM

I've noted that this depends heavily on 2 things: "Route Running," as Quik noted, and the length of passes. I've had a stud wide receiver on my team for 11 years. He was there in the Vick era, when a decent percentage of my passes were long passes, but now we throw short a lot more, since our QB is "short pass" type. He went from 100 catches in 2016, which was Vick's final season, to 67 in 2017, the first season that I had a HUGE bias toward short passing (and I don't throw that much.) he was my leading receiver by a decent margin for 5 straight years before I started throwing short. After that, he was very close to my FB or TE, depending on which one had the better Route Running rating. (This is with no drop in ratings by my WR.)

Honolulu Blue · 12-03-2003, 10:27 AM

I have kind of the opposite situation (I wouldn't call it a problem) - the top four receivers on my teams are usually WR #1, WR #2, WR #3, and TE #1 (not necessarily in that order). Then we get to the RB or FB, whichever has better ratings that year, usually with less than 30 catches. The balls are well distributed, as my catch leader normally has between 55 and 70.

I've been letting the scouts run the gameplan and they must think my receivers are better targets than the backs. I'm sure the factors that have been mentioned are all relevant in my case.

Icy · 12-03-2003, 10:28 AM

SkyDog, QuikSand or any other of the old timers, could any of you make a guide about each atribute and what does it affect the most? I underestand the basics but some atributes are still a bit confusing for me and mybe i'm not giving enought credit to one of them, like this "route running". Would be an invaluable help for all the new FOF players and mybe for some older ones too.
If you do that i will kiss your ass thread by thread

JonInMiddleGA · 12-03-2003, 10:41 AM

This looks like as good a place as any to ask for a refresher about something I think I saw mentioned elsewhere:

What does the QB type (roll-out, short, etc) really indicate & what impact does that really have on gameplay?

It seems obvious in a way, but what I'm getting at is wondering whether it's more of an indicator to us how we should construct our game plans (like the specific pass length ratings) or if it's having an impact on AI play selection & outcome of those plays.

Darkiller · 12-03-2003, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JonInMiddleGA

What does the QB type (roll-out, short, etc) really indicate & what impact does that really have on gameplay?

Hmmm you may be onto something here as well.
My QB's type for instance is "short passes"...so maybe that's the reason why he throws mostly to the FB & the TE...
that, along, with my receivers possibly not having great "route running" skills but that I have to check when I'm home.

FrogMan · 12-03-2003, 11:08 AM

you probably could also take a look at his throwing distribution too. I think you can find this on the boscore, at the bottom. It may very well tell you that he throws an high percentage of passes around 10 yards deep.

My current QB is also of the "short passes" kind and while he is a winner, my WRs don't have very good numbers. One TE had a 80 catches/950 yards season one year though...

FM

Darkiller · 12-03-2003, 11:14 AM

One question :
Can his "style" change during the course of his career ?
Can he go from "short passes" QB to "long range passer" (that might be excessive but it's an example).
Or is he "stuck" with his style forever -which I suppose is the case- ?

fantastic flying froggies · 12-03-2003, 11:20 AM

I 'm pretty sure a QB does not change style in FOF. What I said in the other thread mentionned, I *think* the style affects the type of formations known by the QB. For example, a long pass QB is much more likely to know the 5 WR set, or the 4 WR trips than a short pass QB.

I guess that means the differences between the QB styles become less meaningfull with QB experience as they tend to know almost all formations late in their careers. (makes sense ?)

Darkiller · 12-03-2003, 11:23 AM

it does buddy :-) thx.

12-03-2003, 10:03 AM	#4
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I've noted that this depends heavily on 2 things: "Route Running," as Quik noted, and the length of passes. I've had a stud wide receiver on my team for 11 years. He was there in the Vick era, when a decent percentage of my passes were long passes, but now we throw short a lot more, since our QB is "short pass" type. He went from 100 catches in 2016, which was Vick's final season, to 67 in 2017, the first season that I had a HUGE bias toward short passing (and I don't throw that much.) he was my leading receiver by a decent margin for 5 straight years before I started throwing short. After that, he was very close to my FB or TE, depending on which one had the better Route Running rating. (This is with no drop in ratings by my WR.) __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-03-2003, 10:28 AM	#6
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	SkyDog, QuikSand or any other of the old timers, could any of you make a guide about each atribute and what does it affect the most? I underestand the basics but some atributes are still a bit confusing for me and mybe i'm not giving enought credit to one of them, like this "route running". Would be an invaluable help for all the new FOF players and mybe for some older ones too. If you do that i will kiss your ass thread by thread __________________

12-03-2003, 10:41 AM	#7
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	This looks like as good a place as any to ask for a refresher about something I think I saw mentioned elsewhere: What does the QB type (roll-out, short, etc) really indicate & what impact does that really have on gameplay? It seems obvious in a way, but what I'm getting at is wondering whether it's more of an indicator to us how we should construct our game plans (like the specific pass length ratings) or if it's having an impact on AI play selection & outcome of those plays. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-03-2003, 11:08 AM	#9
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	you probably could also take a look at his throwing distribution too. I think you can find this on the boscore, at the bottom. It may very well tell you that he throws an high percentage of passes around 10 yards deep. My current QB is also of the "short passes" kind and while he is a winner, my WRs don't have very good numbers. One TE had a 80 catches/950 yards season one year though... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

12-03-2003, 11:14 AM	#10
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	One question : Can his "style" change during the course of his career ? Can he go from "short passes" QB to "long range passer" (that might be excessive but it's an example). Or is he "stuck" with his style forever -which I suppose is the case- ? __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history.

12-03-2003, 09:55 AM	#2
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Check yourkey players' ratings for "route running." If your receivers have pretty low ratings there, that may well be the root cause. I believe this is the rating that primarily determines how often a player will be a target for a pass.

12-03-2003, 09:58 AM	#3
Turd Ferguson Mascot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: College Station, TX	I've also seen this happen in my dynasty, for the last 6 years my top receiver has been either my FB or my TE. I've never had a receiver with more then 80 catches, yet my FB has had four consecutive seasons of 70+ receptions.

12-03-2003, 10:27 AM	#5
Honolulu Blue Dynasty Boy Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Michigan	I have kind of the opposite situation (I wouldn't call it a problem) - the top four receivers on my teams are usually WR #1, WR #2, WR #3, and TE #1 (not necessarily in that order). Then we get to the RB or FB, whichever has better ratings that year, usually with less than 30 catches. The balls are well distributed, as my catch leader normally has between 55 and 70. I've been letting the scouts run the gameplan and they must think my receivers are better targets than the backs. I'm sure the factors that have been mentioned are all relevant in my case.

12-03-2003, 11:20 AM	#11
fantastic flying froggies Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny South of France	I 'm pretty sure a QB does not change style in FOF. What I said in the other thread mentionned, I think the style affects the type of formations known by the QB. For example, a long pass QB is much more likely to know the 5 WR set, or the 4 WR trips than a short pass QB. I guess that means the differences between the QB styles become less meaningfull with QB experience as they tend to know almost all formations late in their careers. (makes sense ?) __________________ Detroit Vampires (CFL) : Ve 're coming for your blood! Camargue Flamingos (WOOF): pretty in Pink

12-03-2003, 11:23 AM	#12
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	it does buddy :-) thx. __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history.

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